JLC urges Skins fans not to put it all on Zorn yet
 

[quote]None of this should exonerate Zorn. Losing to the Lions will turn up the heat on anyone, and rightfully so. He has everything to prove still as a head coach, and it might never work out. But firing him offers no solution, especially with no rising young coach on staff to take over on an interim basis.


After 19 games he's 9-10, identical to Gibbs' record after 19 games in his stint with Snyder. Both clubs had inept offenses and incomplete rosters, with long-time starting right tackle [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/jonjansen/profile?id=JAN692150"]Jon Jansen[/URL] commenting at one point that Gibbs' scheme was stuck in 1991. It's nothing new. And without major changes to the way the club is operated, it will continue to occur.[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story?id=09000d5d813163b0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Don't be so quick to point fingers at Zorn for Redskins' issues[/url]

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Pretty much. This failures of this organization are trickling down from the top dog. I've gotta question some of Zorn's in-game decisions, but at some point Danny has to learn. It's cliche, but if you do what you always done, you're gonna get what you've always got. And that's mediocrity. Or worse.

Sure, he could go make Zorn the sacrificial lamb, but the next guy in queue will have the same problems.

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I saw him outside Redskin HQ on NFLN last week and he wasted no time ripping into Snyder and Cerato. I honestly find it hard to believe that Snyder recommended him for the NFLN job. Anyway it's funny how things work when we suck we'll listen to anyone who will complain about the team when we're awesome we'll kill anyone who talks trash about the team. I must admit that this is something I'm guilty of.

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Sure, he could go make Zorn the sacrificial lamb, but the next guy in queue will have the same problems.[/quote]

This is the type of thing that changes on a minute basis for me but in light of your comment I think Cowher would be the perfect guy to coach us. He's personable enough for Snyder to like him but firm enough to keep him at arms length when it comes to personnel decisions.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;601121]I saw him outside Redskin HQ on NFLN last week and he wasted no time ripping into Snyder and Cerrato. [B]I honestly find it hard to believe that Snyder recommended him for the NFLN job[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

That was a smart move by Snyder because it got JLC off of the WP Redskins beat where JLC could bash Snyder on a daily basis.

As usual, nothing new from JLC. I imagine that he reads blogs and message boards and then regurgitates whatever he finds there.

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Some of that is true, however the Gibbs comparison is not. Zorn only changed the passing offense nothing else has changed; Running plays, Defense, and QB. Gibbs when to the playoffs the 2nd season of his return having to overhall O D and personnel. Lets see what Zorn does.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;601121]I saw him outside Redskin HQ on NFLN last week and he wasted no time ripping into Snyder and Cerato. [B]I honestly find it hard to believe that Snyder recommended him for the NFLN job.[/B] Anyway it's funny how things work when we suck we'll listen to anyone who will complain about the team when we're awesome we'll kill anyone who talks trash about the team. I must admit that this is something I'm guilty of.
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Obviously he wanted him out of town.

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Maybe that's why he is being less critical of us on NFL Network than he was at the Washington Post..lol

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;601125]That was a smart move by Snyder because it got JLC off of the WP Redskins beat where JLC could bash Snyder on a daily basis.

[B]As usual, nothing new from JLC. I imagine that he reads blogs and message boards and then regurgitates whatever he finds there.[/B][/quote]

Its probably true. If he is working national media he doesn't have the time to look that in depth into Skins issues. So he takes the stuff he knows, probably looks at skins boards, the WP, and compiles it.

Most national sports media is a joke anyways.

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I don't have a problem w/Zorn's record. It's his play calling and lack of diversity in the offense. If your offense is lacking playmakers then you've got to get more diverse...for instance I think we should be running some type of wildcat w/ Portis and Betts in the red zone. It just gives the defense something else to prepare for. Also it seems we only have two or three running plays. Also where are the slip screens to Moss? A defensive coordinator must have an easy week preparing to defend our offense.

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Don't worry, Dan will get some other puppet to do his bidding. He will promote Sherman smith to be the coach because there won't be a coach with any type of name that is going to lead this team because of the way Dan Snyder is. He wants to be "THE GUY". Got news for you Dan, all the really good owners get their close ups on Monday Night Football and the announcers talk about how successful they are, but what happens with teams like the steelers, colts, and pats is that they hardly ever show the GMs. Know why that is? Because the GMs don't need to be in the forefront and the owners of those franchises don't seek the spotlight like you do.

Does it really matter if you hire the guy who picks the team or does it really have to be you who picks the players? Far as I am concerned, you haven't gotten it done. Step back and let the professional anglers take over. You clearly don't know how to fish for big time game.

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It can't all be put on Zorn just like it cannot all be put on Campbell. As much as it pains me to say we cannot even put it all on the FO, however I do think they need to seriously change the way they run things esp if things are to truly get better.

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I think it can all be put on the FO. Organizations, companies, teams are ran from the top down. Player problems are a direct reflection of the management

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;601125]That was a smart move by Snyder because it got JLC off of the WP Redskins beat where JLC could bash Snyder on a daily basis.

As usual, nothing new from JLC. I imagine that he reads blogs and message boards and then regurgitates whatever he finds there.[/quote]

Now he just does it nationally on NFL Network. That's like taking away a semi-automatic handgun and then giving that same person an RPG. Sure he has less shots but now his shots pack and even bigger punch.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;601121]I saw him outside Redskin HQ on NFLN last week and he wasted no time ripping into Snyder and Cerato. I honestly find it hard to believe that Snyder recommended him for the NFLN job. Anyway it's funny how things work when we suck we'll listen to anyone who will complain about the team when we're awesome we'll kill anyone who talks trash about the team. I must admit that this is something I'm guilty of.



This is the type of thing that changes on a minute basis for me but in light of your comment I think Cowher would be the perfect guy to coach us. He's personable enough for Snyder to like him but firm enough to keep him at arms length when it comes to personnel decisions.[/quote]

Cowher's personality wont mesh with DS's and they both know it. Cowher isnt coming here.

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[quote=irish;603750]Cowher's personality wont mesh with DS's and they both know it. Cowher isnt coming here.[/quote]

The Panthers are pretty much gift-wrapped for Cowher if he wants it

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[quote=SmootSmack;603760]The Panthers are pretty much gift-wrapped for Cowher if he wants it[/quote]

Agree, and his living in NC doesnt hurt.

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There's only one way to come to a reasonable conclusion in regards to Zorn's moderate success to this point, ( I say moderate because so far he's a 500 coach.) There are deficiencies beyond his control, he is the HC and ultimately must accept responsibility for both success as well as failure. However, I have been more than willing to give Zorn the benefit of the doubt because all the parts neccessary are not in place. Once all the parts are in place (if that ever happens) and the tream still lacks in performance, then maybe it would be time to take a harsher look.

For now Zorn just needs to remember what Steve Largent reminded him of when he first came here to Washington.

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Like it or not it's a sink or swim business and Zorn needs to win games, regardless of his inexperience. Of course you can't put it all on him but at the end of the day he will be the first to go if the team doesn't get on track.

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So the front office and ownership are calling plays? OK, good to know.

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[quote=GMScud;601117]Pretty much. This failures of this organization are trickling down from the top dog. I've gotta question some of Zorn's in-game decisions, but at some point Danny has to learn. It's cliche, but if you do what you always done, you're gonna get what you've always got. And that's mediocrity. Or worse.

Sure, he could go make Zorn the sacrificial lamb, but the next guy in queue will have the same problems.[/quote]

Allegedly, when Gibbs left, Snyder told Cerrato he had two years to turn the team around. So if thats true, we can expect/hope for Cerrato and Zorn both to be gone after this season and Snyder will hire a GM with total authority (i.e. he overrules snyder) and a proven head coach. Any plan other than that and we won't be able to remain competitive in the division.

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[quote=irish;603766]Agree, and his living in NC doesnt hurt.[/quote]

If i'm not mistaken, Cowher lives in Raleigh, about 5 minutes from where I live. Its 2-1/2 hours from Charlotte. Fed Ex field is 4-1/2 hours from Raleigh. I don't think the difference in distance inofitself is substantial enough to make him pick one team over the other. Cowher would certainly have more prestige if he succeeded in Washington in the NFC-East. However, Carolina's organization itself is much more attractive. At the end of the day, I think he choses carolina, though.