Latest Sporting News Mock Draft- Williams at #5 to Skins?
 

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As we continue to fill our holes in free agency, the draft becomes clearer-
Realizing there is still a long time before the draft, it is still fun to speculate, right???
So Sporting News has us taking Mike Williams at #5.
My questions to you are these-

1. I don't watch enough college football to know- is Mike Williams the next coming of Randy Moss as it seems he's being touted? If so, hard to pass on him- but is that the right move for the Skins?

2- Would you rather see us take Kellen Winslow Jr at #5? Granted we just signed Rasby, but he could be the blocker and Winslow the pass catching TE. Would not surprise me to see Gibbs carry two TE's- Don't you think Gibbs would also love a two TE set with both on the field, one RB and two receivers?

3- Would we be better off trading down to the mid-level of the first round, picking up extra picks, and going after Kenechi Udeze to help build our NON EXISTANT pass rush???
Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels are not particulary great pass rushers....

If Williams is as good as everyone says he is, I think I would be happy with any of these 3 scenarios- but frankly, I think our biggest need is obviously a pass rushing DE. Those are VERY hard to find and we haven't had one in his prime since Charles Mann for God's Sake....

I would be shocked if we took a WR - Even Williams - at No. 5. We've got fantastic depth with Coles, Gardner, McCants, Jacobs and Jimoh - that I can't imagine us going there. Too many bigger needs - i.e. DE, DT, S, or TE. Last year, Detroit picked up a guy from Mich. St. that was supposed to be the next Randy Moss and I don't remember him doing too much for them. It's too risky with WR's....

Jimoh is a cornerback. i only remember two plays a 44 yard bomb over him againsta Atlanta and another bomb launched over him i cacn't remember which game. he had good coverage just didnt time his leap right. good speed but he aint no WR

[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]he had good coverage just didnt time his leap right. good speed[/QUOTE]

Hey JoeThiesmanFan - you give ol' Ade more credit than most people on this website - Kudos to you for seeing the potential and talent! Good coverage...good speed.. and a big heart! That's our boy! Oh, and I know he's a CB, but he could play WR if that's what was best for the team. Team Player, that Ade is!

DEJA HOMI!

If the Redskins with all thier defensive holes spend the 5th pick of the draft on a WR I will need to make an unscheduled trip to Circut City to replace my broken TV...

Well with Coles, Gardner, etc. we don't need him at WR but it takes CB's a couple years to start playing right. Smoot is still in his learning curve years and doing excellent Jimoh was a rookie CB we'll see how much he has improved you can't teach speed. in the defensive secondary thats what you need. Bye Bowen the paper tiger safety. Keyshawn Touchdown!!! and we were still in the game. and on the plays jimoh got burned where was the safety help??????????? I dont doubt jimoh but a rookie CB that was in position but just didnt make the play isnt a terrible player. Let him compete if he makes the team he is good to have around learning. You got to develop CB's constantly they are too hard to find. Unless you have a d-line like the panthers you need good CB's or your defense wont cut it. Ask Denver.

Since if we sign Butler from the Rams we will only be about 1 million under the cap I got to believe we are going to trade down. Thats not enough green to sign a top five guy and since we only have to 2 picks this year I think we would be better off trading own to get a D-lineman.

The Detriot guy you are talking about is Charles Rogers and he is good but he broke his collarbone during the season.

Also I am a believer in that if you have a high pick you get the best guy, Mike Williams is young and could have a huge upside, we would have one of the best offenses in the league. hopefully.

all i can say is expect the unexpected from coach gibbs on nfl draft day.there is no telling who he'll pick or if he'll trade down.

Im beginning to really think Ade Jimoh Fan Club is the real Ade Jimoh lol

[QUOTE=SittingBull]Im beginning to really think Ade Jimoh Fan Club is the real Ade Jimoh lol[/QUOTE]

I wish!!! The real Ade's probably out training 12 hours a day to get ready for mini-camp! I run once a month if I'm feeling motivated....

That Sporting news mock draft is the worst I have seen. T Robert Gallery at #2? Come on! I'd take Ade Jimoh at #2 before Robert Gallery.

[QUOTE=SittingBull]Im beginning to really think Ade Jimoh Fan Club is the real Ade Jimoh lol[/QUOTE]

sitting bull,you have not been hitting the payote today have you?
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From what I have seen william's look's a lot like meshawn physically, don't know if he comes with the same bagage, prob. not, know way I take william's over taylor, especially with the ubundance of reciever's we already have. If we were going to go offense then I would say take winslow he is more taented at TE then william's is at WR and he would fill a much bigger need.

I made a post two weeks ago regarding taking Williams at five. IMO, you don't pass up BMW just because you don't need him- he's the ONLY receiver i'd take over a need spot though. I'd take Williams over Fitz in a heartbeat. This guy was getting triple teamed last year and still dominated.

if we do get him ya know Rod Gardner will end up being a Chief next year. If not that the release of McCants sorry to see that happen.

Gardner is gonna be a stud if everyone gets off his back and gives him a chance already!!!

gardner will be a redskin next year,he may leave after FA but he will be a redskin in the 2004 season.
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Skins will most likely trade down to get a second or 3rd round pick. If they don’t they’d better have a good reason not to.

[FONT=System]it will be either winslow or taylor.i can't see them trading down,they do not have much cap room left.[/FONT]
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[QUOTE=hi-jinx]Since if we sign Butler from the Rams we will only be about 1 million under the cap I got to believe we are going to trade down. Thats not enough green to sign a top five guy and since we only have to 2 picks this year I think we would be better off trading own to get a D-lineman.[/QUOTE]
Don't forget, the Skins could still release Larry Moore, Trung Canidate and/or Byron Chamberlain and free up around $2.5 million. But I tend to think the Skins will be trading down to the middle of the first round, and picking up a guy like Udeze. I don't think the Rams will match on Butler's offer sheet, so the Skins will only have one pick. Outside of Sean Taylor, it would be tough to justify taking a defensive guy at the #5 spot, when so much premier offensive talent would be available to attract bidders for a trade. I find it hard to believe that the Skins are comfortable going into next season without a significant pass rusher on the D-line (despite Gregg Williams' recent assurances they are prepared to do so), so the most logical move would seem to be trading down to the middle of the first round, where they can get the pass rusher they need, and also pick up at least a 2nd rounder, probably more. Until the draft comes, you can be assured that the Skins will play up the idea of using the #5 pick, possibly on an offensive guy, to rally more bidders for a trade.

My thoughts exactly Joe, we will definitely be making more room in the salary cap with cuts, right now we have a lot of players that have already been replaced...

mike williams isn't even the best williams wr in the draft so why would we draft him. I know he's a good wr but if we were to draft one hopefully after trading down, I say we draft Roy Williams. he's the best overall wr physically and skillwise.

Amen, Roy Williams is by far the superior WR in this draft. I love how he's been tearing it up consistantly forever.

Either way I want Taylor.

I don't think our D line is in trouble at all. We got decent hard working D linemen and we still might get more. Plus with Taylor an abundance of D backs and linebackers to rush. I think we'll be fine provided the D line gets a little push and our blitzers come free!

I hope they trade down and somehow come up with Udeze and Jake Grove if he slips. Grove is the missing piece on the OL and Gibbs likes him.

[QUOTE=johnnyredskin63][FONT=System]it will be either winslow or taylor.i can't see them trading down,they do not have much cap room left.[/FONT]
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Actually, trading down would be much more cap friendly (depending on the position played by the guy we draft at #5). If we pick a d-lineman at the #5 pick we're looking at a SB of about $11-13 million and a contract averaging between $4-$6 million per year.

If we took Taylor I'm not how much that would cost since I don't have a frame of refernce - no safety has been drafted at #5 in recent memory (if at all).

Trading down to say the #20 pick and getting another 2nd or 3rd rounder would be nice and easy on the cap since the difference in salary between a #5 pick and a #20 pick is outrageous given that the talent level is not immensely different. A second or third round rookie contract wouldn't cost much at all.

with some trades going on, does anyone know what teams have the first couple picks in the second round? I ask because if any of these mock drafts are close to being accurate, grove will be gone by around pick 5 in the second round. is there anyone we could trade with to still get a first rounder plus one of those picks in the 2nd? the only way I see us getting a decent 2nd round pick is if we trade down in the first round from our spot and then trade down again completely out of the first round with one of the teams who had a top four pick and get their 2nd,3rd, and 4th/5th rounders. either way I agree with a lot of you and think our cap space is going to dictate that we have to trade down atleast once if not twice.

[QUOTE=joecrisp]Don't forget, the Skins could still release Larry Moore, Trung Canidate and/or Byron Chamberlain and free up around $2.5 million. But I tend to think the Skins will be trading down to the middle of the first round, and picking up a guy like Udeze. I don't think the Rams will match on Butler's offer sheet, so the Skins will only have one pick. Outside of Sean Taylor, it would be tough to justify taking a defensive guy at the #5 spot, when so much premier offensive talent would be available to attract bidders for a trade. I find it hard to believe that the Skins are comfortable going into next season without a significant pass rusher on the D-line (despite Gregg Williams' recent assurances they are prepared to do so), so the most logical move would seem to be trading down to the middle of the first round, where they can get the pass rusher they need, and also pick up at least a 2nd rounder, probably more. Until the draft comes, you can be assured that the Skins will play up the idea of using the #5 pick, possibly on an offensive guy, to rally more bidders for a trade.[/QUOTE]

The 1 prob. with that is getting an impact pass rushing end in the middle of the rd. I don't think it can be done unless we get lucky, who would you take that would make that kind of an impact in the middle of the 1st? Drafting a defensive end isn't a prob. but if we draft a guy in the middle of the first we will be looking next year for another D-end and we won't have taylor to show for this draft, mediocur D-end's are a dime a dozen, If the guy isn't special don't waste a pick on him.

Sounds to me like Udeze could be a special player ... it's just that there seem to be a lot of special players in the top half of the first round and that's driving his stock down.

[QUOTE=offiss]The 1 prob. with that is getting an impact pass rushing end in the middle of the rd. I don't think it can be done unless we get lucky, who would you take that would make that kind of an impact in the middle of the 1st? Drafting a defensive end isn't a prob. but if we draft a guy in the middle of the first we will be looking next year for another D-end and we won't have taylor to show for this draft, mediocur D-end's are a dime a dozen, If the guy isn't special don't waste a pick on him.[/QUOTE]
Guys like Kenechi Udeze, Will Smith, Randy Starks, Darnell Dockett, and Vince Wilfork have all been projected as sub-top ten picks who could be available in the middle to bottom of the first round. All would probably be immediate starters and significant upgrades on the D-line. If the Skins pick up one of those guys and get another pick or two to land a tight end and/or safety, I'd be happy. Yes, Taylor is almost a sure thing, but any one of the afore-mentioned D-linemen could be standouts in their rookie year as well. I'll be happy either way. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed to see them pickup Taylor at #5.

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[quote=Ade Jimoh Fan Club;2437]Gardner is gonna be a stud if everyone gets off his back and gives him a chance already!!![/quote]

probably not

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[quote=Monksdown;1114330]probably not[/quote]

um, first, that was a joke, second, it was a joke made 11 years ago. you're drunk monksdown, go home.

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I don't suppose anyone wants to talk about the huge game Leonard Williams had vs. Atlanta. Best player in the draft, IMHO.

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That's quite a conclusion for the second game in the pre-season...........

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Sherff was the right pick and will dominate, maybe he needed a shitty game like Detroit to get him fired up.

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For a kid like him, getting schooled a little here and there will only serve to drive him to become the....
Beast he can.

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Every so called draft expert said Williams was the best player when we picked. Just sayin'..

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117267]Every so called draft expert said Williams was the best player when we picked. Just sayin'..[/quote]

I agree, our greater need was the OL. Paea, Hatcher and others will cover that spot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117267]Every so called draft expert said Williams was the best player when we picked. Just sayin'..[/quote]

Then how come he was able to drop to Wash's spot? Why did Jax choose Fowler over Williams? Why didn't Oak take him?

Scherff wasn't my first choice either (Vic Beasley cough cough)but he is the player Scott MC selected and the one we have. No point dwelling over something someone else did that you had nothing to do with or had control over. The best we can do is hope Brandon lives up to his potential and become a pro bowl a stud.

Besides The Skins will take on The Jets and Scherff will get a chance to go head to head against L Williams.