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tdSKINS1 10-11-2009 07:00 PM

Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
"What to say... what to say? A pretty embarrassing game if you ask me. I guess I'm at the point now where even though it is week 5 and yes we are 2-3 and of course there is always a chance to rebound that there is no way this team will get better. What you see is what you get with the Redskins and I see no signs of improvement anytime soon. Here are my highs and lows of Week 5.." Read more at
[url=http://t-hop.blogspot.com/]The Trevor Haupt Blog[/url]

SUNRA 10-11-2009 08:46 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
I think Todd Collins gets the nod after another loss to a winless team. Collins is 4-0 in regular season and understands the west coast offense better than most QB's. Campbells' contract will not be extended so cut your'e losses now.

Longtimefan 10-11-2009 10:17 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
Offense: Turned 2 TO's into 2 TD's - Scoring in the red-zone has been a problem all season, today being the exception.

Running game: Portis once again failed to exceede 100yds. rushing.

Passing game: QB had good pass completion percentage/good QB rating/all for less than 200yds. passing. Overall offense lacks imagination, and the ability to create for itself when plays break down, some of which can be attributed to an inept OL.

Defense: Played solid but uneven at times. Tackling continues to be a problem.

Special Teams: Forced fumble led to first score - Gave up one long return - Misplayed punt late in game which contributed to a Carolina score. Call them "medium" for the day, what they gave in the first qtr. they took back in the 4th.

Thomas, Davis and Kelly got slightly involved, results, sporadic at best would be the way I would characterize their efforts.

BL: Team lacks consistency across the board.

44Deezel 10-11-2009 10:24 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=SUNRA;606422]I think Todd Collins gets the nod after another loss to a winless team. Collins is 4-0 in regular season and understands the west coast offense better than most QB's. Campbells' contract will not be extended so cut your'e losses now.[/quote]

Yeah, put Collins in. Why not? Campbell is not the answer and won't be pursued by any of the other 31 teams in the league, except for backup duty. It's not entirely his fault, but he's the 1 guy who touches the ball on every Offensive play. He gets the credit when they win and the blame when they lose... goes with the territory. There's no reason they shouldn't be willing to make a change at ANY position. QB is no different.

tdSKINS1 10-11-2009 10:43 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
I hate to say this but right now nothing seems to work. Why not just put in Collins? I'm not saying Jason is the main problem at all but maybe the team needs some sort of spark like that. It worked last time we changed.

53Fan 10-11-2009 10:45 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=Longtimefan;606483]Offense: Turned 2 TO's into 2 TD's - Scoring in the red-zone has been a problem all season, today being the exception.

Running game: Portis once again failed to exceede 100yds. rushing.

Passing game: QB had good pass completion percentage/good QB rating/all for less than 200yds. passing. Overall offense lacks imagination, and the ability to create for itself when plays break down, some of which can be attributed to an inept OL.

Defense: Played solid but uneven at times. Tackling continues to be a problem.

Special Teams: Forced fumble led to first score - Gave up one long return - Misplayed punt late in game which contributed to a Carolina score. Call them "medium" for the day, what they gave in the first qtr. they took back in the 4th.

Thomas, Davis and Kelly got slightly involved, results, sporadic at best would be the way I would characterize their efforts.

BL: Team lacks consistency across the board.[/quote]

Well put. That about sums it up.

skins89moss 10-11-2009 11:17 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=44Deezel;606489]Yeah, put Collins in. Why not? Campbell is not the answer and won't be pursued by any of the other 31 teams in the league, except for backup duty. It's not entirely his fault, but he's the 1 guy who touches the ball on every Offensive play. He gets the credit when they win and the blame when they lose... goes with the territory. There's no reason they shouldn't be willing to make a change at ANY position. QB is no different.[/quote]

We put Collins with no mobility he will be killed with the garbage O-Line we have. He will have to hold the ball cause our WR dont get open he cant move it will be ugly quickly for him.

44Deezel 10-11-2009 11:21 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=skins89moss;606555]We put Collins with no mobility he will be killed with the garbage O-Line we have. He will have to hold the ball cause our WR dont get open he cant move it will be ugly quickly for him.[/quote]

Uglier than 198 yards of total Offense against the winless Panthers? And the O-line was pathetic until Collins came in a few years ago. Then they were miraculously good when Collins came in and started passing the ball with quickness and precision. But you're probably right. With this round of injuries, the O line problems are probably too much to overcome at this point. Season over.

tdSKINS1 10-11-2009 11:21 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
Everyone knew if we didn't get some depth on the O-line this was going to happen. Fuck the front office

44Deezel 10-11-2009 11:23 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=tdSKINS1;606513]I hate to say this but right now nothing seems to work. Why not just put in Collins? I'm not saying Jason is the main problem at all but maybe the team needs some sort of spark like that. It worked last time we changed.[/quote]

QB is the one position that affects change everywhere. Couldn't hurt. If McNabb can be benched, so can Campbell. Who knows. Maybe the team will rally around JC like the Eagles did around McNabb last year.

44Deezel 10-11-2009 11:24 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
Saw something about John Runyan on Twitter. Is he even an option at this point? Can he still play?

tdSKINS1 10-11-2009 11:34 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
This team is honestly just feeling the effects of not managing this team right years ago. We didn't draft right, we overpay vets, Danny runs the team like a fantasy football manager and we will float around mediocrity for years it this continues to be the way this team is ran.

dmvskinzfan08 10-11-2009 11:36 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
Does it seem like when the O-line is blocking well no one is open. But when the o-line isn't blocking well they are open. WTF is up with Sellers? He got that money and lost his beastly hunger in the process.

Redskin Warrior 10-11-2009 11:40 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=44Deezel;606562]Uglier than 198 yards of total Offense against the winless Panthers? And the O-line was pathetic until Collins came in a few years ago. Then they were miraculously good when Collins came in and started passing the ball with quickness and precision. But you're probably right. With this round of injuries, the O line problems are probably too much to overcome at this point. Season over.[/quote]

Well for one like i posted before TC excelled in Saunders offense this offense we are in is totally different and about 450 pages short of Saunders. Secondly, the o-line was better back then Dock played a lot better in his first sting with the skins. Thomas was there so was Jansen, so there are some huge differences in then and now. In conclusion TC is hella i mean hella slow not mobile if the line breaks down like it did today we would be worse off. The season isn't over for us just yet Tennesse's season is over at 0-5 not so much at 2-3.

redskinsgirl 10-11-2009 11:42 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=44Deezel;606569]QB is the one position that affects change everywhere. Couldn't hurt. If McNabb can be benched, so can Campbell. Who knows. Maybe the team will rally around JC like the Eagles did around McNabb last year.[/quote]

I think the Eagles "rally" had more to do with Andy Reid improved playcalling in the second half of the season than McNabb getting bench.

What is the point of benching JC if Zorn's playcalling doesn't improve?

Longtimefan 10-11-2009 11:43 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=44Deezel;606571]Saw something about John Runyan on Twitter. Is he even an option at this point? Can he still play?[/quote]

There's a couple of reasons why he's still out there, age being one, injury being another plus he will want more mulah than the Redskins will be willing to pay.

44Deezel 10-11-2009 11:54 PM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=redskinsgirl;606613]I think the Eagles "rally" had more to do with Andy Reid improved playcalling in the second half of the season than McNabb getting bench.

What is the point of benching JC if Zorn's playcalling doesn't improve?[/quote]

Definitive proof that play calling is to blame. If Collins comes in and the Offense does worse... something that is almost impossible, then we can check QB play off the list. The O is so bad that everything should be tinkered with at this point. Nothing should be off limits. Trial and error.

TheMalcolmConnection 10-12-2009 08:43 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
We could get Kendall and Runyan (or Levi Jones) and I think we'd at least have what we used to before the injuries talent-wise.

tdSKINS1 10-12-2009 10:48 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;606751]We could get Kendall and Runyan (or Levi Jones) and I think we'd at least have what we used to before the injuries talent-wise.[/quote]


I agree with that. Thats what we should do. Batiste and Heyer are absolutely awful. Hopefully Samuels can come back soon but we need help for sure.

firstdown 10-12-2009 11:12 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=Longtimefan;606483]Offense: [SIZE=4]Turned 2 TO's into 2 TD's - Scoring in the red-zone has been a problem all season, today being the exception[/SIZE].

Running game: Portis once again failed to exceede 100yds. rushing.

Passing game: QB had good pass completion percentage/good QB rating/all for less than 200yds. passing. Overall offense lacks imagination, and the ability to create for itself when plays break down, some of which can be attributed to an inept OL.

Defense: Played solid but uneven at times. Tackling continues to be a problem.

Special Teams: Forced fumble led to first score - Gave up one long return - Misplayed punt late in game which contributed to a Carolina score. Call them "medium" for the day, what they gave in the first qtr. they took back in the 4th.

Thomas, Davis and Kelly got slightly involved, results, sporadic at best would be the way I would characterize their efforts.

BL: Team lacks consistency across the board.[/quote]

Your right today was exception because the O could not even get into the red zone and they had to rely on the D for that.

firstdown 10-12-2009 11:14 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=skins89moss;606555]We put Collins with no mobility he will be killed with the garbage O-Line we have. He will have to hold the ball cause our WR dont get open he cant move it will be ugly quickly for him.[/quote]

Or maybe he will see whats coming and take what the D is giving him.

GTripp0012 10-12-2009 11:17 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=firstdown;606870]Your right today was exception because the O could not even get into the red zone and they had to rely on the D for that.[/quote]This comment suggests you do actually realize that one unit can be responsible for points scored/prevented by the other.

It was nice to have the D finally contribute to the scoring. Technically, the defensive touchdown-less streak is now at 31 games, but that Hall return is as close to a defensive TD as you will get without getting one.

Now, if only the special teams would come play nice, we would have actually won a game in spite of the offense. Alas, when you are overall mediocre in defense + special teams, you have to rely on some contribution from the offense. And in this game, there just wasn't much.

GTripp0012 10-12-2009 11:18 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
Redskins defense this year is better than our defense last year. Which is what we were all expecting before the season. So that's a high.

Redskin Warrior 10-12-2009 11:22 AM

Re: Week 5: Highs and Lows
 
[quote=firstdown;606875]Or maybe he will see whats coming and take what the D is giving him.[/quote]

Oh you mean the check downs like JC does bc not one is open, or bc the line can provide enough protection for his WR routes to develop oh no he would become a dink & donk QB then?


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