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Slingin Sammy 33 10-13-2009 04:03 PM

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So I was doing some research on the Mayans and the whole 2012 thing. Turns out the Mayans really said Oct. 11, 2009 (at about 4PM) was the end of the world. But just like Y2K and several other End of the World scenarios, the loss to the Panthers came and went and we're all still here (although the clock is ticking on Zorn).

In a loss, nothing is a bad as it seems. I'm going to focus on things that the current coaching staff can address now rather than long term franchise strategy, the addition of a GM, or coaching changes (although one is warranted IMO).

[B]What'd we do Right[/B]
- Zero turnovers on offense.
- Penalties only 4 for 20 yards.
- Heyer's performance overall. He was beaten by Peppers once in pass-pro and on the Stretch play for the Safety. Last I checked, Peppers was arguably the best DE in the NFL. He gets paid $ 16M for a reason. Other than those two plays, Heyer was solid.
- Run playcalls went away from 80% Stretch to much more straight ahead blocking with Leads/ISOs.
- JC's great deep pass to DT, nice to see that.
- JC finding the lane in the pocket to get Portis the ball for the TD.
- Portis running downhill with good effort.
- No Stretch on the GL to get Portis in, just straight ahead.
- DL good effort. The pass rushing front 4 of Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter and Jarmon has been effective. 3 sacks, good consistent pressure
- Blache still mixing the D up, Zone Blitz, creating confusion by bringing 6 & 7 to the LoS, would like to see a little more disguise in coverage, but that's just nitpicking.
- 2 turnovers for the D
- Three 3 & outs for D in first half.
- Great GL stand, on 3rd down Daniels is double teamed and held his ground, McIntosh fills, Hall finishes. Well done, great team effort. 4th down another great team effort.
- D. Hall good return to set-up 17-2 lead.

[B]What'd we do Wrong[/B]
- On the TD play for Portis, it appears he misses a blitz pickup in the A gap, fortunately he and JC make a play.
- G pull plays still aren't working.
- Heyer was beaten by Peppers on the Stretch on the GL. I count this a Wrong by him, but will discuss more in FUBAR.
- Orakpo in coverage
- Specials allowing a big return off the TD in the second half. Westbrook not paying attention to where his kick returner was. Still a bad call, but this is the second play this season where Westbrook has made a bad play in specials, not good for a player at the bottom of the roster.
- Moss' corner route that was "overthrown" wasn't Campbell's fault. That was a well thrown pass, based on the separation Moss created. Pass-pro was fine. On Moss' post corner route he gives nothing more than a quick head shake, no post move at all. Very poor route.
- Sellers getting knocked back by an LB and staying flat on the Stretch Lead that resulted in the Safety. Pro Bowl FBs who cry about being underpaid can't let these things happen.
- Batiste, but this isn't unexpected. Hopefully he can improve this week. He wasn't horrible, but certainly there's a big drop-off between Samuels and him.
- Dockery isn't looking good pulling, and he's getting beat in pass-pro. He killed one drive by getting abused on a spin move and was a cause in two other plays I marked as "total line" being the problem.
- Jason Campbell's limitations. While he didn't kill us this week, he fumbles again in the pocket and almost fumbled a second time. He isn't improving his ball security. Zorn is clearly protecting him with the playcalling. Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.

Granted the OL protection was not good overall for the day, but I'm not seeing Campbell progressing week-to-week. Samuels getting hurt couldn't come at a worse time for evaluating JC. I was one who felt the OL problems late last year were to blame for the lack of production late in the year and JC would progress with a whole off-season to get the full grasp of the offense. What we've seen so far is zero or minimal improvement in JC, certainly not to the point where opposing defenses view him as a threat to beat them in the passing game.
- JC calling timeout when Carolina brought 6 up to the LoS in the 4th Qtr. Why? I wish we knew the problem, is it a JC reading the D problem. Is it Zorn's communication or restriction on JC? Whatever it is, it shouldn't happen. The QB sees a D not right for the play call, audible the damn thing. You come out from C and don't like what you see, throw it away. No need for a conference with the coach, just go on to the next play.
- DT's drop :benched:
- D. Hall is soft as cotton. He could be on the cover of the damn Downy bottle. Twice on the final drive Carolina ran plays that would force Hall to make plays in the run game. The first was the 3-2, the OL blocks down and brings a FB to block Hall on the edge. I'm not asking Hall to stand up the FB and make a tackle, but engage the SOB and create a pile in the backfield. If Hall even comes up aggressively and dives at the FBs thigh level, he'll create a pile. Our LBs and Safties could've easily cleaned the play up and stopped Williams for a loss or no gain. Hall backs up while trying to push the FB down, creating enough space for Williams to lunge for the first.

The play with Jake was not only cotton-soft tackling, but even worse he bit on the play fake. Proper technique for this type of play is taught from Pop Warner on up. If you are the last contain man on a side, and the play goes away, you stay home for BCR. Backside, Counter, Reverse. No way Hall's going to make a play 30 yards across the field, STAY HOME blockhead.
I didn't put this in FUBAR, because Hall's limitations are no secret. If the FO wanted a CB who would play run support, and not make mental mistakes, they should've never signed Hall.

[B]What was FUBAR[/B]
[B]Zorn's playcalling in key situations. This isn't improving.[/B]
I suspect the changes in the run game were due to Sherm Lewis, not Zorn.
- Stretch play on the -2. Haven't we seen enough of this damn play in short yardage situations to take it off the playcall sheet in the -10 or +10. You're asking Heyer to take a lateral step against Peppers and drive him off the ball...good luck with that.
- Third & 7 inside the Red Zone, RB Screen? The D reads the play, JC makes the correct decision and throws it away. Even Billick said the same thing, "Why call a screen in the Red Zone?"
- 3WR, 2TE Empty backfield, TE Delay Cross. Zorn ran this play twice on 3rd & 7, once on 3 & 13 and I believe on the 3 & 16 play also. It didn't get a single 1st. Is that the only play on the playcall sheet for 3rd & 7 or more? Absolutely FUBAR.
Zorn: I know, let's run the TE Delay Cross again Carolina will never believe we'll run it again....times 3.
It's also a play that takes a while to develop, not a great playcall with a banged up LT and a reserve RG. No problem with the formation, but just run the TEs on a simple out on one side and a dig on the other if you read Man coverage.
- Out of a timeout, on 4th & 3, the same quick slant that was run at least twice towards the end of the first half and again twice (one was a slant curl) in the same series. The CB was playing inside and JC still went to the slant, no audible to a Slant-Go or fade or a look somewhere else. Just terrible.

[B]Benching Rinehart in favor of MW.[/B]
What did the coaches see in practice that they didn't see on game film. I guess not what I saw. I saw Rinehart getting better and starting to develop with Heyer. These two young guys could solidify our right side for years. Are they Pro Bowl guys? Probably not, but were they consistently making mistakes, No. These two can develop into a good RG/RT tandem IMO.

MW is going to struggle in space and with even average speed or finese DL players. This was a bad move that compounded Samuels' injury. We went from having four positions on the OL solid and just needing to give extra help at LT. To having only three solid OL positions and problems on both sides of the OL. The OL problems this week weren't a talent or FO issue, they stemmed from a bad coaching decision and an injury to a Pro Bowl caliber player. Coaching can be controlled, injuries cannot.

[B]Fixes[/B]
- Get Rinehart back at RG, Heyer at RT, Batiste at LT. Provide TE, RB or protection calls to help Batiste.
- Start Orakpo at RDE, Jarmon at LDE, keep the pass-rush combo of Carter, Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon intact in passing downs. Activate Jackson, cut Wynn.
- Use Wilson, Blades, Carter or some combination at SLB.
- Use more spread sets on offense, mix up formations, better route combos. Don't protect JC with playcalls, let him sink or swim.
- Use Cooley and Davis to create mismatches in the run & passing game. If the D defends them with LBs, throw them the ball. If the D defends them with DBs, run down the Ds throat.
- get Barnes on the field in primarily run packages, if Hall gets pissed tell, him we can go back and look at film again.
- Blache keep mixing up the fronts, blitz, zone blitz, disguise coverage, we've got 31 flavors, use 'em all. :)

SmootSmack 10-13-2009 04:15 PM

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Good review as always. I plan on reviewing the game tape tomorrow night (as long as it doesn't interfere with Glee!) so I may have some more thoughts but I do have a few questions for you

-What about Mike Williams? Keep him on the bench?

-What about moving Rocky to SAM and starting someone like Wilson or Blades at the WILL?

-You and I agree on Westbrook struggling in special teams...so if we're going to activate Barnes why not start by activating him for special teams and deactivating Westbrook. Heck I'd even just flat out cut Westbrook

Big C 10-13-2009 04:16 PM

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awesome insight. im a little confused in you fix section though about the d-line. are you saying you want orakpo-griffin-haynesworth-jarmon as our starting d-line and use carter as a pass rush specialist? that could work, but why not have orakpo as the pass rush specialist instead if that is the case?

BringBackJoeT 10-13-2009 04:21 PM

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Another excellent comprehensive analysis.

One question, though. Were the Mayans using the Gregorian or Justinian calendar? Could it be that doomsday still lies in our future?

Trample the Elderly 10-13-2009 04:29 PM

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[quote=BringBackJoeT;607889]Another excellent comprehensive analysis.

One question, though. Were the Mayans using the Gregorian or Justinian calendar? Could it be that doomsday still lies in our future?[/quote]

Their calendars were more accurate than those two. Doomsday just happened when we lost to the Lions.

53Fan 10-13-2009 04:32 PM

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Excellent Sammy! I enjoy the hell out of your and GTripps analysis threads. I agree with your "Fixes" 100%.

Slingin Sammy 33 10-13-2009 04:32 PM

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[quote=Big C;607884]awesome insight. im a little confused in you fix section though about the d-line. are you saying you want orakpo-griffin-haynesworth-jarmon as our starting d-line and use carter as a pass rush specialist? that could work, but why not have orakpo as the pass rush specialist instead if that is the case?[/quote]Thanks. Sorry about that, I should've written that better. Our starting DL should be LDE- Jarmon, LDT - Griff/Golston/Alexander, RDT - Haynesworth, RDE - Orakpo.

In passing situations - LDE - Orakpo, LDT - Haynesworth, RDT Jarmon, RDE - Carter

Slingin Sammy 33 10-13-2009 04:40 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;607883]-What about Mike Williams? Keep him on the bench?[/quote]I think MW needs to stay on the bench for now. If moved to T, I really see him struggling in space. He's not better than Dock, Rinehart or Armstrong (Monty)

[quote]-What about moving Rocky to SAM and starting someone like Wilson or Blades at the WILL?[/quote]I'd rather not move Rocky. I'd like to disrupt the least amount of positions at this point.

[quote]-You and I agree on Westbrook struggling in special teams...so if we're going to activate Barnes why not start by activating him for special teams and deactivating Westbrook. Heck I'd even just flat out cut Westbrook[/quote]No problem with putting Barnes on specials and letting Westbrook go. I want to see him in the rotation at CB though against someone other than an opposing teams 3rd or 4th WR. From what I saw at camp, I'd like to see if Barnes can be a solution at CB.

We're definitely on the same page, evaulation of our young talent is the primary focus of this season.

freddyg12 10-13-2009 04:52 PM

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good job sammy, thanks. Interesting that you're fairly high on Rino,Heyer. They have run fairly well on that right side.

portis looked like he missed open lanes several times. He didn't trip over himself like he did v. tampa, but he ran poorly IMO. In a game where the O was often a couple yards short of a 1st, some of those poor runs hurt us. Did you see this on the tape or am I just being too critical?

KLHJ2 10-13-2009 04:55 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;607883]Good review as always. I plan on reviewing the game tape tomorrow night (as long as it doesn't interfere with [B]Glee[/B]!) so I may have some more thoughts but I do have a few questions for you

-What about Mike Williams? Keep him on the bench?

-What about moving Rocky to SAM and starting someone like Wilson or Blades at the WILL?

-You and I agree on Westbrook struggling in special teams...so if we're going to activate Barnes why not start by activating him for special teams and deactivating Westbrook. Heck I'd even just flat out cut Westbrook[/quote]

HAHA! It's getting cancelled.

Edit: Just from the Thanksgiving day Parade. Breathe easy SS.

Slingin Sammy 33 10-13-2009 05:01 PM

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[quote=freddyg12;607907][B]portis looked like he missed open lanes several times.[/B] He didn't trip over himself like he did v. tampa, but he ran poorly IMO. In a game where the O was often a couple yards short of a 1st, some of those poor runs hurt us. Did you see this on the tape or am I just being too critical?[/quote]I agree, it was pretty obvious on a couple of plays. I gave him the benefit of the doubt on others that I couldn't tell if it was him or the OL. Overall I was happy he didn't trip himself, and on a couple of plays he make something out of nothing with good effort.

If the OL was intact I would say you're right on being critical of Portis.

JLee9718 10-13-2009 07:10 PM

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Portis is toast. I can tell because he's not calling Zorn a "genius" anymore on his gig with John Thompson. Plus he's running slower than ever before. He's even slower than the OL. RIP, Westbrook.

budw38 10-13-2009 07:28 PM

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Great work SS33 !!

SmootSmack 10-13-2009 11:00 PM

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SS33, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on some of the top rumored QBs coming out this year

30gut 10-13-2009 11:02 PM

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Good breakdown SS-

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;607878]- Moss' corner route that was "overthrown" wasn't Campbell's fault. That was a well thrown pass, based on the separation Moss created. Pass-pro was fine. On Moss' post corner route he gives nothing more than a quick head shake, no post move at all. Very poor route. [/quote]

It seemed as if Moss wanted to get a pass interference more then he wanted the TD.
That pass bounces in the endzone not very far from where Moss was standing when he stops running the route.
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[quote]- Jason Campbell's limitations. While he didn't kill us this week, he fumbles again in the pocket and almost fumbled a second time. He isn't improving his ball security. Zorn is clearly protecting him with the playcalling. Out of 23 pass attempts, 13 were quick passes to 1 receiver (no reads) or screens. 3 were play-action, of the other 7, 4 were the TE delay play. Zorn isn't putting Campbell in a position to drop-back or sit in the gun, read the D and make throws based on progressions/reads.Granted the OL protection was not good overall for the day, but I'm not seeing Campbell progressing week-to-week. [/quote]

Disagree with you here.
The playcalling isn't giving Campbell the chance to take the reigns of the offense.
But, i don't think its a trust issue issue i just think Zorn has lost his mojo as a playcaller.
I think that Zorn is nervous about the OL ability to pass protect.
Zorn is calling plays like we are a running team as opposed to WCO.
Pass early and often run late.
I could go into a whole thread on Zorn's playcalling but i digress.
I think Campbell's only limitations are the OL+Playcalling.

[quote]What we've seen so far is zero or minimal improvement in JC, certainly not to the point where opposing defenses view him as a threat to beat them in the passing game.[/quote]

Imo JC has been playing well i think he's found his comfort on the deep ball.
He's getting the ball out at the top of his drop more then last year, and he's been more accurate, he going through his progressions and has a quicker release.

[quote]- D. Hall is soft as cotton. He could be on the cover of the damn Downy bottle. [/quote]

Hall's play is so nerve racking! Hall was playing his balls off last year he was coming up with force and making 1-on-1 tackles against RBs, remember the Ravens game? He put the wood to some RBs.

Maybe DBs are like RBs empty pockets+heavy heart=production


[quote]Zorn's playcalling in key situations.....This isn't improving.
.....Just terrible.[/quote]

Zorn's playcalling overall is puzzling, his playcalling tendencies are opposite to this teams strengths, opposite to the WCO and opposite to Zorn's own playcalling history. Last season Zorn passed early and often even on 1st down, used 3 and 4 wide receivers sets and used the shotgun even on 1st down.
Now, despite that our passing game is more effective then our running game the playcalling has become more run focused?:doh:

(I have a detailed look i can post that compares the last years Dallas game to this years Rams with a focus on 1st down playcalling. I can post it if anyone wants to see it, but the sum was that Zorn was pass heavy early and finished balanced now he's balanced and borderline run favored early)
Dallas: Out of the 1st 12 1st downs 10 were passes.
Rams: Of the 1st 12 1st downs 6 were runs.


[quote]What did the coaches see in practice that they didn't see on game film. I guess not what I saw. I saw Rinehart getting better and starting to develop with Heyer. These two young guys could solidify our right side for years. Are they Pro Bowl guys? Probably not, but were they consistently making mistakes, No. These two can develop into a good RG/RT tandem IMO.[/quote]

I don't understand how the Skins are treating Rhinehart.
He played with 1st team during the offseason and basiclly split time with Randy during the training camp and preseason, yet when the time came Zorn was hesistant to start him then benches him 2 games later?


[quote]MW is going to struggle in space and with even average speed or finese DL players. [/quote]
I hope Williams has shored up his game at RT because i thought he looked slow and stiff during the preseason.


[quote]- Get Rinehart back at RG, Heyer at RT, Batiste at LT. Provide TE, RB or protection calls to help Batiste.[/quote]

I would put Heyer@LT, Williams@RG (i just think that Williams is a bit more physical and the team's apparent lack of faith in Rhinehart makes me wonder)
Batiste@RT

[quote]- Start Orakpo at RDE, Jarmon at LDE, keep the pass-rush combo of Carter, Haynesworth, Orakpo, Jarmon intact in passing downs. Activate Jackson, cut Wynn.
- Use Wilson, Blades, Carter or some combination at SLB.[/quote]

Wouldn't change a whole bunch on defense.
I would rush Orakpo more often from the SAM spot and move Orakpo to DE and with Wilson at SAM.

[quote]- Use more spread sets on offense, mix up formations, better route combos. Don't protect JC with playcalls, let him sink or swim.[/quote]

Yes please!
Put the game in JC hands put him in shotgun and pass early and often.

[quote]- Use Cooley and Davis to create mismatches in the run & passing game. If the D defends them with LBs, throw them the ball. If the D defends them with DBs, run down the Ds throat.[/quote]

Shoot, don't use Cooley to block!
At this point i think Zorn has his hands full with what we're already doing i doubt if he can add double TE sets and actually pass from them, although i'd love it.

[quote]- get Barnes on the field in primarily run packages,
if Hall gets pissed tell, him we can go back and look at film again.[/quote]

I hope Gray can somehow light a fire under Hall.
I feel like a sucker i bought into Hall's homecoming story and his desire to reach his full potential.

[quote]- Blache keep mixing up the fronts, blitz, zone blitz, disguise coverage, we've got 31 flavors, use 'em all. [/quote]

100% More zone-blitz, more SAM blitz

GTripp0012 10-13-2009 11:40 PM

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You're getting so good at this, that I'm just going to nibble on scraps from now on. But seriously, reading this before going to the tape opens up a whole new world of things that I probably would have missed before. This is an invaluable resource.

And good comments 30gut.

tryfuhl 10-13-2009 11:41 PM

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Thanks again, I always learn something./

skins89moss 10-14-2009 03:38 AM

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Good Info Slinging Sammy 33

Well Zorn has said that they will move Heyer (LT) Williams (RT) and Rhinehart or Monty(RG). I thought Zorn or Vinny said Rhinehart had a shoulder injury that's why Williams played RG. Whats the truth on that Sammy if you know? As far as Mike Williams lets give him a shot we dont have many options at this point so Im pulling for the Big Guy.

budw38 10-14-2009 07:04 AM

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Just a thought , what about running some no-huddle , let JC call some plays , or have the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage < shotgun or under center > ??

MTK 10-14-2009 09:08 AM

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Here's my summary: Samuels goes down and the entire offense crumbles.

As for Heyer, I can't believe anyone is talking about him as the future of anything. Dude is garbage. Honestly, JC is going to get killed unless Heyer gets some serious help on his side. There's no way I would trust Heyer on his own.

tryfuhl 10-14-2009 09:20 AM

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What's the deal with all of the single option/look passes? Does Zorn really not trust Campbell to make a decision quickly? Seems like he does better with that (2 min drills, no huddle, etc). You've got receivers running routes that are never in the plans to get thrown to, only to not 100% give the D knowledge of who's getting the ball.. but every cornerback, safety, LB, and especially defensive staff knows that. If we're going to do that why not run route fakes, pumps, start with an opposite look and then come back to the guy the ball is played for, something?

My apologies if this has been covered, will read replies now

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 09:31 AM

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[quote=30gut;608089]I think that Zorn is nervous about the OL ability to pass protect.[/quote]Good points.

This week the OL was definitely a problem. But Zorn's playcalling is baffling. Zorn comes from the Walsh/Holmgren tree you would think he would be scripting his first 15 plays, it sure doesn't seem that way.

[quote]Imo JC has been playing well i think he's found his comfort on the deep ball.[/quote]The one to DT was excellent, however Weeks 2-4 he made some serious mistakes with his deep passing.

[quote]He's getting the ball out at the top of his drop more then last year, and he's been more accurate, he going through his progressions and has a quicker release.[/quote]I agree, if his pre-read to the primary receiver is correct and he's open. However, it appears to me if the primary isn't open he struggles coming off the primary and progressing to the secondary receivers

[quote]Maybe DBs are like RBs empty pockets+heavy heart=production[/quote]Maybe Blache should start imposing fines for softness and Hall's pockets would be lighter in a hurry. LOL

[quote]Zorn's playcalling overall is puzzling, his playcalling tendencies are opposite to this teams strengths, opposite to the WCO and opposite to Zorn's own playcalling history. Last season Zorn passed early and often even on 1st down, used 3 and 4 wide receivers sets and used the shotgun even on 1st down.
Now, despite that our passing game is more effective then our running game the playcalling has become more run focused?:doh:

(I have a detailed look i can post that compares the last years Dallas game to this years Rams with a focus on 1st down playcalling. I can post it if anyone wants to see it, but the sum was that Zorn was pass heavy early and finished balanced now he's balanced and borderline run favored early)
Dallas: Out of the 1st 12 1st downs 10 were passes.
Rams: Of the 1st 12 1st downs 6 were runs.[/quote]Great point.

[quote]Yes please!
Put the game in JC hands put him in shotgun and pass early and often.[/quote]This is critical. As a franchise we must get a clear evaluation on JC now. Is JC the 6-2 guy from early 2008 or is he the guy from Weeks 3-4 2009? My feeling is that he's the guy from weeks 3-4, but we need to see more to be sure.

MTK 10-14-2009 09:34 AM

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The run by Jake was sickening. Hall's effort wouldn't have cut it even in a Pee Wee league.

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 09:34 AM

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[quote=GTripp0012;608103]You're getting so good at this, that I'm just going to nibble on scraps from now on. But seriously, reading this before going to the tape opens up a whole new world of things that I probably would have missed before. This is an invaluable resource.

And good comments 30gut.[/quote]Thanks for the kind words. Your review does the same for me, it either re-emphasizes what I'm seeing or points out different things that I missed. It's like having "another set of eyes". LOL

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 09:35 AM

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[quote=budw38;608154]Just a thought , what about running some no-huddle , let JC call some plays , or have the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage < shotgun or under center > ??[/quote]
All critical to any good offense....and we do none of these.

MTK 10-14-2009 09:38 AM

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I think it's painfully obvious Zorn is in way over his head as an offensive coordinator/play caller. He might as well be throwing darts to pick his plays.

SmootSmack 10-14-2009 10:05 AM

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[quote=Mattyk72;608205]I think it's painfully obvious Zorn is in way over his head as an offensive coordinator/play caller. He might as well be throwing darts to pick his plays.[/quote]

yeah this kind of says it all right here

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/zorn_admits_he_didnt_know_fair.html#more]D.C. Sports Bog - Zorn Admits He Didn't Know Fair Catch Rule[/url]

I really think Zorn could have had some more success here if he didn't surround himself with....well, himself

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 10:20 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;608216]yeah this kind of says it all right here

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/zorn_admits_he_didnt_know_fair.html#more"]D.C. Sports Bog - Zorn Admits He Didn't Know Fair Catch Rule[/URL]

I really think Zorn could have had some more success here if he didn't surround himself with....well, himself[/quote]Where was Danny Smith, the guy that gets paid to know all the special teams stuff (yes Zorn should know it too) while all this was going on?

SmootSmack 10-14-2009 10:21 AM

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608224]Where was Danny Smith, the guy that gets paid to know all the special teams stuff (yes Zorn should know it too) while all this was going on?[/quote]

Going over his notes for the press conference on Oct. 28 when he's introduced as interim head coach??

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 10:33 AM

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[quote=SmootSmack;608226]Going over his notes for the press conference on Oct. 28 when he's introduced as interim head coach??[/quote]If I'm deciding between Smith & Gray, I'm going Gray. And Smith's going to get back into the rulebook for Specials (I missed this rule too).

SmootSmack 10-14-2009 10:46 AM

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608232]If I'm deciding between Smith & Gray, I'm going Gray. And Smith's going to get back into the rulebook for Specials (I missed this rule too).[/quote]

Same here.

Slingin Sammy 33 10-14-2009 11:22 AM

Re: Slingin Sammy 33s - Panthers Game Review
 
[quote=SmootSmack;608085]SS33, I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on some of the top rumored QBs coming out this year[/quote]I haven't been able to watch too much NCAA this year, but I'm an ND fan and Clausen has been pretty damn good, even with his top WR out for the year. He's made big plays to win games. I just hope he stays in so ND can get a championship next year. He's probably coming out though and he'd be a good pick-up. But he'll probably be gone before we pick.

Bradford's coming off shoulder surgery, he was ridiculously productive last year, but I'm not 100% sold on him. I don't think he's bust material, but I don't make a move up to get him.

Tebow, great college QB, will be a situational player or hybrid Wildcat guy in the NFL. Not NFL QB material.

McCoy, another great college QB. Maybe a backup in a spread style offense in the NFL, but could bust completely.

Our best bet is to get Okung for LT if we can, but he'll likely be gone also.

GMScud 10-14-2009 12:05 PM

Re: Slingin Sammy 33s - Panthers Game Review
 
[quote=SmootSmack;608216]yeah this kind of says it all right here

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/zorn_admits_he_didnt_know_fair.html#more"]D.C. Sports Bog - Zorn Admits He Didn't Know Fair Catch Rule[/URL]

I really think Zorn could have had some more success here if he didn't surround himself with....well, himself[/quote]

Wow. That's just... wow. He's in so far over his head it's crazy.

30gut 10-14-2009 12:06 PM

Re: Slingin Sammy 33s - Panthers Game Review
 
[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608199]This week the OL was definitely a problem. But Zorn's playcalling is baffling. Zorn comes from the Walsh/Holmgren tree you would think he would be scripting his first 15 plays, it sure doesn't seem that way.[/quote]

I wonder if he does script his 1st 15 because if he does he might want to let someone else make the script, seriously.

We almost never score on our 1st drives, we don't score many points in the 1st half and we run the ball like we have a power OL:doh:

Yet in the second half of games the offense is forced to open up because we're trailing and there is more success.
I've even heard Zorn give credit to Sherman Smith and Chris Meidt for their input in half time adjustments like the deep ball to Moss in Detroit.

[quote]I agree, if his pre-read to the primary receiver is correct and he's open. However, it appears to me if the primary isn't open he struggles coming off the primary and progressing to the secondary receivers[/quote]

Well i see his head scanning and i see him looking to one side then coming backside and finding another receiver or hitting Betts on check downs.
I heard Zorn say on the Sports Fix that JC is going through his progression and sometimes he's going through them too fast.


[quote]This is critical. As a franchise we must get a clear evaluation on JC now. Is JC the 6-2 guy from early 2008 or is he the guy from Weeks 3-4 2009? My feeling is that he's the guy from weeks 3-4, but we need to see more to be sure. [/quote]

I don't think the guy from weeks 3-4 has been bad.
The only game where he statistically played poorly we won.
He only thre 23 passes against the Panthers.
The Lions game would have been helped if the playcalling led to a score in the RZ.
Giants game maybe we should have went to the Shotgun passing game earlier?

But, you're right we must get a clear evaluation on JC; and to do this the game must be placed on Jason's shoulders.
If we get a good evaluation of JC it could save us a draft pick that could be spent on the OL.

I happen to think JC is more of the 6-2 guy 2-6 guy.

Hail!

JoeRedskin 10-14-2009 12:30 PM

Re: Slingin Sammy 33s - Panthers Game Review
 
[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;608259]I haven't been able to watch too much NCAA this year, but I'm an ND fan and Clausen has been pretty damn good, even with his top WR out for the year. He's made big plays to win games. I just hope he stays in so ND can get a championship next year. He's probably coming out though and he'd be a good pick-up. [B]But he'll probably be gone before we pick.[/B]

Bradford's coming off shoulder surgery, he was ridiculously productive last year, but I'm not 100% sold on him. I don't think he's bust material, but I don't make a move up to get him.

Tebow, great college QB, will be a situational player or hybrid Wildcat guy in the NFL. Not NFL QB material.

McCoy, another great college QB. Maybe a backup in a spread style offense in the NFL, but could bust completely.

Our best bet is to get Okung for LT if we can, [B]but he'll likely be gone also[/B].[/quote]

If we keep playing the way we are, we will have another chance to miss on the next Adrian Peterson.


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