DeAngelo Hall Questions Our Personnel Strategy
 

When asked if the Redskins could afford any more injuries, Hall took on the issue of the team's depth.

"Nah, not at all, not at all," he said. "Chris Samuels going down was a devastating loss for us, you know, devastating. We go from having a what, four-, five-, six-time Pro Bowler in there to a guy who hardly has played in this league. Not saying anything to Batiste, he was with me in Atlanta for a little while, but that's a big drop-off, that's a big drop-off. And heading into the offseason and preseason we said we needed to address the offensive line.

"We felt like we did get better ... but that's a position where you can always get better. You can always have proven guys out there backing other guys up that have played in this league, have had starts in this league. That's something we're lacking."

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And a veteran CB who doesn't bite on big-time sucker plays and can tackle a immobile QB in his mid-30s would be nice to have too.

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See, DHall is completely right. So is Rogers when talking about personnel. But I hate seeing these guys say it publicly, and in my mind that's an indictment of Zorn.

Gibbs had the team running like a tight-knit family, you aired your issues in-house, and you didn't take it to the media. The inference in DHall's comments is that Anthony Batiste sucks ass. It's totally the truth, but it's totally not cool to suggest that in the media. That causes rifts in the locker room and only serves to drive the team apart.

Zorn clearly is not the leader of men that Gibbs was. This stuff never happened with Gibbs, even though the depth problems were the exact same.

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i wish these guys wouldn't diss their teammates in the media. it's so freakin awful. hall is becoming the portis of the defense. well....at least he practices. lol.

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[quote=Schneed10;608397]See, DHall is completely right. So is Rogers when talking about personnel. But I hate seeing these guys say it publicly, and [B]in my mind that's an indictment of Zorn.[/B]

Gibbs had the team running like a tight-knit family, you aired your issues in-house, and you didn't take it to the media. The inference in DHall's comments is that Anthony Batiste sucks ass. It's totally the truth, but it's totally not cool to suggest that in the media. That causes rifts in the locker room and only serves to drive the team apart.

Zorn clearly is not the leader of men that Gibbs was. This stuff never happened with Gibbs, even though the depth problems were the exact same.[/quote]

And by extension, Zorn is an indictment of Snyderatto. They were forced to hire Zorn because, quite frankly, no one else would take the job. No one else would take the job, because no one wants to work under the existing front office structure.

Zorn seems like a nice guy. I don't fault him for failing as a head coach any more than I fault Batiste (and last year Justin Geisinger) for getting lit up when forced to play left tackle. CP said it best yesterday on the John Thompson Show - you can't blame a guy (referring to Batiste) when he's giving it everything he's got. I beleive Zorn is giving the job everything he's got. Its just simply not good enough. Zorn worked with Holmgren for the better part of a decade and he never got promoted above being a QB coach. No one else even interviewed him for an OC position - yet Daniel Snyder made him a head coach in one of the toughest divisions in football. Go figure.

As to Hall's comments - honestly, I don't mind them. In fact, I'm happy he's telling it like it is. This team is falling apart at the seams and this is just further evidence of it. Hopefully, things will continue to unravel and, at some point, Snyder will realize the front office structure has to change. So I applaud Hall. No amount of interceptions he catches will do this franchise more good than the words he's speaking now.

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We have traditionally never been one of those teams that you could get quotes from. In general... You heard Gibbs through the players. It's looking like we've entered a new era where players assume it's ok to sound off. How is addressing this issue mid season even remotely acceptable. It's very disturbing that these kinds of things coming to light.

D hall is an idiot and a bad teammate to say what he said. There is no excuse for his words.... And this team needs to put up or shut up.

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This game aside, because when Samuels goes out and you also insert a new RG (if this is for other than a legit injury, it's a dumb coaching move) you have instability on both sides of the line and 2 positions. Maybe I'm missing something in reviewing the games, but Rinehart and Heyer sure didn't look problematic to me. Going back over GTripp's reviews, both he and I are seeing pretty much the same things. In the run game for the most part, Rinehart / Heyer looked fine. Heyer is better in Pass-pro than run and Rinehart vice versa, but neither is worse than average at his position. Outside of the plays I mentioned in my reviews, if someone can show me evidence that Rinehart/Heyer are performing horribly, I'm certainly open to hear/see it.

If I remember correctly at least two of the sacks given up in the first 4 games were directly to Samuels. We all knew depth at OT was a major concern going into this year and the FO bears the responsibility for that, but based on what we know about Snyder (he gives the coaches what they ask for) the coaching staff bears responsibility here too.

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Doesn't Joe Bugel have the responsibility for getting the best available players on the offensive line? I would think that's his job, but he doesn't have any talent to work with, thanks to Cerrato and Snyder. I'll say this, Batiste was not ready to play this past Sunday when Samuels went down. So Hall is right to question personnel strategy.

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Not only is Hall calling out a teammate, but by questioning whether the team has "the right personnel," he comes very close to conceding away the season. Whatever judgments might be easily made about this team five games into the season, a player on any 2-3 team that has a shot at reaching 3-3 by virtue of an upcoming home game against arguably the worst team in the league should not be saying, "You know, I'm not sure this team really has it."

But even putting this aside, it's pretty ironic to hear one of the most recent beneficiaries of management's decision-making questioning the foresight of those same managers.

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He should keep his mouth shut and realize how lucky he is to have gotten such a huge contract for his shitty play and tackling from our rocket scientist FO.

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[quote=SmootSmack;608386]When asked if the Redskins could afford any more injuries, Hall took on the issue of the team's depth.

"Nah, not at all, not at all," he said. "Chris Samuels going down was a devastating loss for us, you know, devastating. We go from having a what, four-, five-, six-time Pro Bowler in there to a guy who hardly has played in this league. Not saying anything to Batiste, he was with me in Atlanta for a little while, but that's a big drop-off, that's a big drop-off. And heading into the offseason and preseason we said we needed to address the offensive line.

"We felt like we did get better ... but that's a position where you can always get better. You can always have proven guys out there backing other guys up that have played in this league, have had starts in this league. That's something we're lacking."

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/hall-i-dont-know-if-weve-got-t.html?wprss=redskinsinsider"]Redskins Insider - Hall: 'I Don't Know If We've Got the Right Personnel'[/URL][/quote]

He is completely right. Many on here worried about the O-line. But we have too many people in our FO and organization as a whole. Who don't know how to bite the bullet and be accountable. Blache has become accountable and I think Zorn has also. But I think people like Hixon Smith and the FO are fuckign know it alls. Instead of them swallowing their pride and saying I am wrong or I made the wrong moves. They think they still are right and make themselves seem very ignorant. Then Zorn gets the blame. I think he makes some bad play calls. But overall its the ones behind the scene tha I think are killing the team. Not Blache (despite the Orakpo experiment) not Zorn (despite bad time mgmt/play calling). But the people behind them. It does start from the top. You can't be so bull headed that you put yourself and your prdie before the team. This goes for everyone. How the hell did we think we were going to do anything without a O-line????????????

When will these vain a-holes learn? They are destroying the team. Then DS will give a speech with the SuperBowl Trophies in front of him. He needs to keep those locked up until he wins one and stop acting like he was here when we got them!!!!!!!!!!! There is no "I" in team!! From the top to the bottom.


* Deangelo makes mistakes but he also makes plays. But as far as this he is telling the truth and I guess to some the truth hurts or they are in denial!!!

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DeAngelo Hall is absolutely, 100% right. We ALL knew the offensive line was a weakness on the team. We ALL knew that the starters were aging and had a history of injuries. Yet, for some reason, we basically ignored the offensive line in the offseason (swapping Kendall for Dockery was basically a push).

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;608443]DeAngelo Hall is absolutely, 100% right. We ALL knew the offensive line was a weakness on the team. We ALL knew that the starters were aging and had a history of injuries. Yet, for some reason, we basically ignored the offensive line in the offseason (swapping Kendall for Dockery was basically a push).[/quote]

We should have kept Kendall and Jansen for one more year. They were old but they had experience. They could teach the young guys at least for one more year and then been dropped. FO are idiots!!

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When he can tackle an ancient QB who can't run in the open field, then let's talk.

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[quote=Schneed10;608397]See, DHall is completely right. So is Rogers when talking about personnel. But I hate seeing these guys say it publicly, and in my mind that's an indictment of Zorn.

Gibbs had the team running like a tight-knit family, you aired your issues in-house, and you didn't take it to the media. The inference in DHall's comments is that Anthony Batiste sucks ass. It's totally the truth, but it's totally not cool to suggest that in the media. That causes rifts in the locker room and only serves to drive the team apart.

Zorn clearly is not the leader of men that Gibbs was. This stuff never happened with Gibbs, even though the depth problems were the exact same.[/quote]

Yeah it's just another sign of how dysfunctional the team is under Zorn. He's got no control. He's done.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608453]Yeah it's just another sign of how dysfunctional the team is under Zorn. He's got no control. He's done.[/quote]

While that tackle attempt was pathetic, he is right in saying that

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I think that everyone (Fans and players) are trying to get some attention on the FO. Maybe we can't be heard, but if the players can't be heard we are really in trouble. We don't know what goes throughout the week. Maybe the players are trying to get their points across, and are getting nowhere. If that's the case, the whole team should go on record addressing the lack talent being brought in. Nobody wants them to lose, but they should be able to put their input in.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;608460]While that tackle attempt was pathetic, he is right in saying that[/quote]

Everyone is talking right now. Portis, Rogers, Hall, etc. I think everyone needs to circle the wagons and get shit figured out on the field. The talk is getting old.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;608405]And by extension, Zorn is an indictment of Snyderatto. They were forced to hire Zorn because, quite frankly, no one else would take the job. No one else would take the job, because no one wants to work under the existing front office structure.

Zorn seems like a nice guy. I don't fault him for failing as a head coach any more than I fault Batiste (and last year Justin Geisinger) for getting lit up when forced to play left tackle. CP said it best yesterday on the John Thompson Show - you can't blame a guy (referring to Batiste) when he's giving it everything he's got. I beleive Zorn is giving the job everything he's got. Its just simply not good enough. Zorn worked with Holmgren for the better part of a decade and he never got promoted above being a QB coach. No one else even interviewed him for an OC position - yet Daniel Snyder made him a head coach in one of the toughest divisions in football. Go figure.

[I]As to Hall's comments - honestly, I don't mind them. In fact, I'm happy he's telling it like it is. [/I]This team is falling apart at the seams and this is just further evidence of it. Hopefully, things will continue to unravel and, at some point, Snyder will realize the front office structure has to change. So I applaud Hall. No amount of interceptions he catches will do this franchise more good than the words he's speaking now.[/quote]

I totally agree, and I think this is where I part with the masses. I don't mind and don't care if these guys are calling out the coach and other players. As long as they're not being disrespectful in their tone, I don't really care. How many times have we seen the Giants overcome locker room controversy and players speaking out and go kick ass on Sunday. During the pre-season we thought the Brandon Marshall fiasco was going to sink the Broncos. It didn't. This team looks poised to be a serious playoff contender.

I just think the notion that a player voicing his opinion, publicly, and stirring the waters a little bit is overblown.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608463]Everyone is talking right now. Portis, Rogers, Hall, etc. I think everyone needs to circle the wagons and get shit figured out on the field. The talk is getting old.[/quote]
The talk is just an extension of what's going on. There's going to be something to talk about all week long... just like we do here on this board.

Snyder will either say damn I've even got my players doing this.. or he'll say we're never re-signing this guy..

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[quote=Mattyk72;608463]Everyone is talking right now. Portis, Rogers, Hall, etc. I think everyone needs to circle the wagons and get shit figured out on the field. The talk is getting old.[/quote]

Completely agree with you. But missed tackle aside wouldn't you say that D Hall is actually playing well so far this season??

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;608502]Completely agree with you. But missed tackle aside wouldn't you say that D Hall is actually playing well so far this season??[/quote]
He's not playing horribly, but not worth what we paid him. It's easy to be reactionary in these times though.

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[quote=tryfuhl;608505]He's not playing horribly, but [B]not worth what we paid him[/B]. It's easy to be reactionary in these times though.[/quote]

I agree but I'm not sure there's a guy on the roster who is playing up to his contract.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;608520]I agree but I'm not sure there's a guy on the roster who is playing up to his contract.[/quote]

Im pretty sure Chris Horton is earning his paycheck.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;608520]I agree but I'm not sure there's a guy on the roster who is playing up to his contract.[/quote]

Reid Doughty!!

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;608502]Completely agree with you. But missed tackle aside wouldn't you say that D Hall is actually playing well so far this season??[/quote]

Meh, so-so

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[quote=SkinzzFan;608520]I agree but I'm not sure there's a guy on the roster who is playing up to his contract.[/quote]

I guess you could argue with that when it comes to Haynesworth.. He has pretty much been disruptive force for us [I]when[/I] he's on field..

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The stupid move was to pay Portis as much as they did, instead of taking that money and investing it in the O-line. Name a Super Bowl winner the last 10 years that had a high-priced RB on their roster. Why they don't try to models themselves after organizations like the Steelers, Pats or even the Redskins of old is beyond comprehension. Strong O-Line, Good to great Defense, and great QB. There are exceptions, but that's the formula that works most often.

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[quote=GridIron26;608536]I guess you could argue with that when it comes to Haynesworth.. He has pretty much been disruptive force for us [I]when[/I] he's on field..[/quote]

Yeah, but he was as good or better for Tennessee at a fraction of the price. We need guys who singificantly outplay their contract. Then when those guys are ready to get paid, we need to be deep enough to let them walk, so someone else can pay them several times more for the same performance we got at a bargain. That's when you know the Front Office is getting the job done.

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I don't know, something just doesn't seem right about a player 5 games into a bloated contract that he couldn't have gotten anywhere else criticizing the front office. If the front office wasn't dysfunctional he would be making half as much money right now. Why do you think we lacked salary cap money to pursue more OL free agents?

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[quote=Mattyk72;608452]When he can tackle an ancient QB who can't run in the open field, then let's talk.[/quote]

Leave it to Riggins to set the record straight.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;608405]
As to Hall's comments - honestly, I don't mind them. In fact, I'm happy he's telling it like it is. This team is falling apart at the seams and this is just further evidence of it. Hopefully, things will continue to unravel and, at some point, Snyder will realize the front office structure has to change. So I applaud Hall. No amount of interceptions he catches will do this franchise more good than the words he's speaking now.[/quote]

So it's okay to call your teammate, who needs your support because he is being placed in a new starting role, a huge downgrade? I really think those comments are absurd. I'm honestly mortified by them. Use your common sense, don't be an asshole, and do what's best for the team.

Not only do I not applaud Hall, but If I were a coach I would sit his ass out a series or two. After your seasons over, you can open up a lot more, but mid season? Unreal. I'm embarrassed for him.

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[quote=RobH4413;608545]So it's okay to call your teammate, who needs your support because he is being placed in a new starting role, a huge downgrade? I really think those comments are absurd. I'm honestly mortified by them. Use your common sense, don't be an asshole, and do what's best for the team.

Not only do I not applaud Hall, but If I were a coach I would sit his ass out a series or two. After your seasons over, you can open up a lot more, but mid season? Unreal. I'm embarrassed for him.[/quote]

Rob, I kinda want to clarify my point. I don't condone Hall calling out his teammates, I just don't think it has a damaging affect and splits the locker room like the media and most fans portray. That's where I'm coming from. I also think most players show their true stripes when the going get's tough. We're just seeing the real D.Hall, as far as I'm concerned.

What is troubling to me is that there seems to be a brewing consensus among the players that things ain't right at Redskins Park. And they're tired of pointing fingers at just the guys wearing the uniforms.

Sad to say the only thing the cures strife within team is winning.

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[quote=Mattyk72;608452]When he can tackle an ancient QB who can't run in the open field, then let's talk.[/quote]

Amen to that. And where does Hall think the cap space would have come from to sign all these quality O-linemen? Right out of his contract that's where. Besides this whole point is moot anyways. We lost Samuels so now we're a sh*t team?? LOL please...

Personally I'm tired of this whole bunch. The only guy I like right now is Zorn. I don't think he's ready to be an NFL coach, but at least:

1. He's sincerely trying his best.
2. He's not blaming anyone but himself.

The rest of these clowns should take example.

Remember this is the same coach who knocked off Philly and Dallas back-to-back on the road last year. I've watched this team for 30 years and those were two of the most impressive regular season wins I can remember.

This whole thing started to unravel midway through last year when Portis threw Zorn under the bus, and the rest of the team followed suit with their play. Losing that game in Cincy with a playoff spot on the line was unacceptable. Where's the pride??

The boys from the "U" and the rest of them are such big stars but they haven't won squat here. I know, Snyder's a bad owner, Gibbs was too old for today's game, Zorn is in over his head, blah blah blah... the excuses are getting old. At some point the players gotta take some responsibility. But not this group. Just keep yapping away and cashing the cheques.

2009 is a lost cause, so is 2010. Time to blow it up. Keep the unmoveable contracts and the promising kids, and jettison the rest. The only one I'll feel bad for is Zorn.

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[quote=SkinzzFan;608520]I agree but I'm not sure there's a guy on the roster who is playing up to his contract.[/quote]

Hall is tied for second in the league with 3 interceptions.

London Fletcher leads the league in tackles with 59.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;608551]Amen to that. And where does Hall think the cap space would have come from to sign all these quality O-linemen? Right out of his contract that's where. Besides this whole point is moot anyways. We lost Samuels so now we're a sh*t team?? LOL please...

Personally I'm tired of this whole bunch. The only guy I like right now is Zorn. I don't think he's ready to be an NFL coach, but at least:

1. He's sincerely trying his best.
2. He's not blaming anyone but himself.

The rest of these clowns should take example.

Remember this is the same coach who knocked off Philly and Dallas back-to-back on the road last year. I've watched this team for 30 years and those were two of the most impressive regular season wins I can remember.

This whole thing started to unravel midway through last year when Portis threw Zorn under the bus, and the rest of the team followed suit with their play. Losing that game in Cincy with a playoff spot on the line was unacceptable. Where's the pride??

The boys from the "U" and the rest of them are such big stars but they haven't won squat here. I know, Snyder's a bad owner, Gibbs was too old for today's game, Zorn is in over his head, blah blah blah... the excuses are getting old. At some point the players gotta take some responsibility. But not this group. Just keep yapping away and cashing the cheques.

2009 is a lost cause, so is 2010. Keep the unmoveable contracts and the promising kids, and jettison the rest. Time to blow it up. The only one I'll feel bad about is Zorn.[/quote]

Great post. I'm ready for a fire sale. Lets suck for a few years and build through the draft finally... please. I know it's redundant. But its time.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;608551]Amen to that. And where does Hall think the cap space would have come from to sign all these quality O-linemen? Right out of his contract that's where. Besides this whole point is moot anyways. We lost Samuels so now we're a sh*t team?? LOL please...

Personally I'm tired of this whole bunch. The only guy I like right now is Zorn. I don't think he's ready to be an NFL coach, but at least:

1. He's sincerely trying his best.
2. He's not blaming anyone but himself.

The rest of these clowns should take example.

Remember this is the same coach who knocked off Philly and Dallas back-to-back on the road last year. I've watched this team for 30 years and those were two of the most impressive regular season wins I can remember.

This whole thing started to unravel midway through last year when Portis threw Zorn under the bus, and the rest of the team followed suit with their play. Losing that game in Cincy with a playoff spot on the line was unacceptable. Where's the pride??

The boys from the "U" and the rest of them are such big stars but they haven't won squat here. I know, Snyder's a bad owner, Gibbs was too old for today's game, Zorn is in over his head, blah blah blah... the excuses are getting old. At some point the players gotta take some responsibility. But not this group. Just keep yapping away and cashing the cheques.

2009 is a lost cause, so is 2010. Time to blow it up. Keep the unmoveable contracts and the promising kids, and jettison the rest. The only one I'll feel bad for is Zorn.[/quote]

The cheques. A nice reminder that you're Canadian :)

Anyhow, I feel bad for Zorn to an extent. He may have taken on too much. And I understand that he wasn't hired to be the head coach initially but when he became the head coach maybe he could have/should have ceded other roles he had. Also, Zorn has often blamed the execution of the players rather than the scheme. Such the Portis QB Option pass against the Rams. So I guess my point is none should really be absolved of blame in any of this...except the Red Snapper

Oh and thanks for the plug. But I won't settle for less than Executive Vice President :)

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[quote=WaldSkins;608528]Im pretty sure Chris Horton is earning his paycheck.[/quote]

Which is why Reed Doughty is now starting ahead of him.

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[quote=RobH4413;608545]So it's okay to call your teammate, who needs your support because he is being placed in a new starting role, a huge downgrade? I really think those comments are absurd. I'm honestly mortified by them. Use your common sense, don't be an asshole, and do what's best for the team.

Not only do I not applaud Hall, but If I were a coach I would sit his ass out a series or two. After your seasons over, you can open up a lot more, but mid season? Unreal. I'm embarrassed for him.[/quote]
man.. it's not like that

he's just saying when you go from a multiple pro bowl guy to someone who isn't you have worries.. putting a TE to help every play said everything that Hall did and more

God forbid our players be frustrated with the situation that they have and actually point out reasons why we may be struggling

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We do have problems with personnel...we have one CB that can't tackle a statue of a QB and another who couldn't catch a ball even if it was dipped in crazy glue.