What's wrong with the Redskins?
 

I found this video on NFL.com here's the link for whoever hasn't seen it

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8137138e/What-s-wrong-with-the-Skins]NFL Videos: What's wrong with the 'Skins?[/url]

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I difinitely agree with him that it doesn't matter much who's the QB right now cause he's getting any protection and I know it's not something that just happened from one week to the next because I remember you guys talking about this last year why wasn't the O-line fixed?

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[quote=sancho2613;609654]I difinitely agree with him that it doesn't matter much who's the QB right now cause he's getting any protection and I know it's not something that just happened from one week to the next because [B]I remember you guys talking about this last year why wasn't the O-line fixed[/B]?[/quote]

Because we're not the collective GM's for the Redskins. If we were though the Skins would be a lot better off than they are now. For some reason this board seems to have a greater knowledge of the team than they do themselves.

This site is known for relating to the knowledgeable fan. Looks like the fan has more insight to the team than Cerrato at this point.

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[quote=sancho2613;609654]I difinitely agree with him that it doesn't matter much who's the QB right now cause he's getting any protection and I know it's not something that just happened from one week to the next because[B] I remember you guys talking about this last year why wasn't the O-line fixed[/B]?[/quote]

It isn't a glamour position. O-linemen don't sell many jerseys or make flashy headlines.

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[quote=sancho2613;609654]I difinitely agree with him that it doesn't matter much who's the QB right now cause he's getting any protection and I know it's not something that just happened from one week to the next because I remember you guys talking about this last year [b]why wasn't the O-line fixed?[/b][/quote]

Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing fantasy football owner. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;609656]Because we're not the collective GM's for the Redskins. If we were though the Skins would be a lot better off than they are now. For some reason this board seems to have a greater knowledge of the team than they do themselves.

This site is known for relating to the knowledgeable fan. Looks like the fan has more insight to the team than Cerrato at this point.[/quote]

I agree 110% I honestly sit back an wonder if vinny knows anything about football sometimes. Let's face it jc isn't a great qb because his overall record shows that, but damn no protection sure as hell isn't helping him either..

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[quote=jsarno;609959]Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing [B]fantasy football owner[/B]. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.[/quote]

I'm just imagining Snyder with a fantasy cheat sheet before the draft saying "Now Vinny, I'm looking at my cheat sheet and there isn't an o-lineman in the packet, why would we draft one?"

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[quote=jsarno;609959]Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing fantasy football owner. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.[/quote]

Tell us how you really feel???????

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Neglecting the o-line has caught up with us but, more accuratey, not drafting and developing quality prospects overall have dug us into this hole. And at this point we can not scrap the team. It's not the young players that are holding this team's play and chemistry back. It's the decision of FO and coaches relying on older players too long. Mike Williams, Griffin, Daniels, and to a lesser degree, Randy Thomas, Fletcher and Rabach. Notice that all of these players were FA aquisitions but, the failure of drafting young guys to eventually replace them has doomed the team.

On the flip side, I think we're sitting prettty with our WR corps (Davis included) in regards to the near future. We have to continue to develop these guys. And what that means is, giving them significant playing time and working with what they do well.

Then there's the coach and the WCO...

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[quote=53Fan;609666]It isn't a glamour position. O-linemen don't sell many jerseys or make flashy headlines.[/quote]

There are really probably 2 main reasons:

1) at the high level (1-3) rounds, Cerrato looks to fill one need with multiple picks, for example 2 years ago it was WR.

2) in the rest of the rounds Cerrato looks for multi-positional players, of which the OL usually is not.

Oher would have been a huge jersey seller, and i think jansen and samuels have been too (though i really don't know). but after the top OL prospects are gone, Cerrato severely devalues the rest of the field.

I don't necessarily share the outright disdain, and I would like to see the young guys that we have get the chance to gel and become a solid front. The one disappointment i have is Cerrato also seems to like to go for injury prone guys across the board, because they are usually "value " picks

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One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.

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Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...

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[quote=rbanerjee23;609979]Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...[/quote]I've said it repeatedly, especially at draft time - great teams are built from the inside out. Chris Samuels is getting older, Heyer is what he is (an undrafted FA), and Rinehart is looking like a division 1-AA reach that is leaning toward bust. You mention the Giants - look at the number of 1st and 2nd rounders they've invested in both the O and D lines. They addressed those needs first, and now are filling out a nice WR and secondary over the last two drafts.

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17 passes in 14 trips to the red zone...wow

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;609974]There are really probably 2 main reasons:

1) at the high level (1-3) rounds, Cerrato looks to fill one need with multiple picks, for example 2 years ago it was WR.

2) in the rest of the rounds Cerrato looks for multi-positional players, of which the OL usually is not.

Oher would have been a huge jersey seller, and i think jansen and samuels have been too (though i really don't know). but after the top OL prospects are gone, Cerrato severely devalues the rest of the field.

I don't necessarily share the outright disdain, and I would like to see the young guys that we have get the chance to gel and become a solid front. The one disappointment i have is Cerrato also seems to like to go for injury prone guys across the board, because they are usually "value " picks[/quote]

I was being a little facetious, but from what I can gather, o-linemen probably are at, or near, the bottom of jersey sales in general. As for why we don't draft o-linemen near the top of the draft, I wish I knew.

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[quote=53Fan;609988]I was being a little facetious, but from what I can gather, o-linemen probably are at, or near, the bottom of jersey sales in general. As for why we don't draft o-linemen near the top of the draft, I wish I knew.[/quote]

Due the BPA (Best Player Available) thougth process. OL don't score points, run the ball, catch the ball or pass the ball.

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[quote=SBXVII;610017]Due the BPA (Best Player Available) thougth process. [B]OL don't score points, run the ball, catch the ball or pass the ball[/B].[/quote]

Yet it's hard to do any of that without a good o-line. Funny isn't it?

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The Redskins are also still paying worthless players that we brought to the roster a few years back, such as Branon Lloyd, a punter or two, and they also made terrible decisions in picking up TJ Duckett, Shaun Alexander, the safety who now plays for Seattle that we had in 06, and there are quite a few more i can't think of at the moment. i think the Redksins did look at the offensive line more than us fans know, but they chose to go for players who might make a bang ot\r two this season like Malcolm Kelly and Devon Thomas. Obviously not a smart decision, and as for Cambell, any quarterback will perform well with a solid O-line, some of the blame does fall on him for inaccuracy and decisions but how accurate can you be when you have a truck coming in on your blindside, and when he does a\have protection i think he still is too cautious because he isn't used to it due to the rare occurance of it ever happening.

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[quote=jsarno;609959]Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing fantasy football owner. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.[/quote]

I think his favorite group when growing up, was the Ramones :)

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[quote=jsarno;609959]Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing fantasy football owner. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.[/quote]

I have a couple redskins on my fantasy team and know ones calling for me to sell my team.

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[quote=WaldSkins;615020]I have a couple redskins on my fantasy team and know ones calling for me to sell my team.[/quote]
I no what you mean.

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[quote=Paintrain;609978]One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.[/quote]

One of the most insightful posts I've read in a long, long time. I mean I always single out Hixon as arguably one of the least successful coaches in professional football, having never developed a player, but you're absolutely right there's actually a trend of mediocrity there throughout. Yet another indictment of absolute piss-poor FO management. We seem to be a franchise w/o "connections" in the sense of recruiting legit talent across the various facets of the organization. This, IMO, is squarely on lil Danny. Vinny is allegedly the player evaluator, but w/o a true GM to assemble the coaching staff we've just drifted in that dept.

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[quote=The Goat;615102]One of the most insightful posts I've read in a long, long time. I mean I always single out Hixon as arguably one of the least successful coaches in professional football, having never developed a player, but you're absolutely right there's actually a trend of mediocrity there throughout. Yet another indictment of absolute piss-poor FO management. We seem to be a franchise w/o "connections" in the sense of recruiting legit talent across the various facets of the organization. This, IMO, is squarely on lil Danny. Vinny is allegedly the player evaluator, but w/o a true GM to assemble the coaching staff we've just drifted in that dept.[/quote]
Dude, you and Paintrain hit the nail on the head. EVERYONE who follows or looks into this team realizes there are fundamental problems from the top down in this organization. Top of the pyrimid if you will, #1 danny- no head for how a football team is ran or constructed. #2 lil danny has no idea how a football front office is constructed. #3 lil dickie has no eye for football talent, THEREFORE, no eye for football tallent evaluator... etc so on and so on. VERY SAD, sad for us as fans, sad for the team, sad SITUATION. hail to the redskins...

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[B][/B][quote=rbanerjee23;609979]Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

[B][/B]I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...[/quote]

The reason Joe Bugel has a job is because he stoll is living on his past reputation with Gibbs and the hogs. What has he or the team done lately. He is not the entire problem but he has not been a strong influence on the FO to draft O-Line since he returned. You would think his opinion would carry some weight with the Front Office regarding bringing in young O-Lineman. Bugle always down playing the line like it's going to be ok. Its time for him to go call BINGO after the season.

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[quote=Paintrain;609978]One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.[/quote]
Good points

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The issue with the redskins is at the QB position. Jason Campbell's lack of confidence has effected the who offense. We need to pick up Jeff Garcia to finish the season.

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[quote=jsarno;609959]Because Cerrato is Snyder's bitch, and Snyder is a crazy glue sniffing fantasy football owner. Yeah, I think that wraps it up.[/quote]

nice, and there is no wayyy jc is the prob, he is not the solution but def not the problem he is no brees but he could start for atleast 6 or 7 teams right now and make them better, raiders and browns for starters

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[quote=diehardskin2982;615302]The issue with the redskins is at the QB position. Jason Campbell's lack of confidence has effected the [B]who offense[/B]. We need to pick up Jeff Garcia to finish the season.[/quote]

If that's a typo, it still makes sense.

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[quote=skins89moss;615138]

The reason Joe Bugel has a job is because he stoll is living on his past reputation with Gibbs and the hogs. What has he or the team done lately. He is not the entire problem but he has not been a strong influence on the FO to draft O-Line since he returned. You would think his opinion would carry some weight with the Front Office regarding bringing in young O-Lineman. Bugle always down playing the line like it's going to be ok. Its time for him to go call BINGO after the season.[/quote]

I often wonder if Bugel is not the problem and part of the reason why we don't target more OL.