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It seems to me there are two different scenarios that we'll likely see play out. On the one hand the Skins are a team that typically play up or down to the opponent, so it's possible that while we don't win many more games we keep the scores relatively close. In the other scenario we see our Skins get blown out in at least half the remaining games, because 1) we face winning teams that play to win and 2) the problems on the oline can't be fixed any time soon and the offense just doesn't score more than 5-10 points/game through the rest of '09.

First of all I don't think the HC or starting QB will make much difference in determining which scenario is more likely, but nonetheless I think the outcome is really important and here's why: a season of blowouts likely puts as much pressure as possible on Snyder to make fundamental changes to the way he runs the Redskins, while a season of close losses probably allows him to maintain the same FO structure. Now, for those of us convinced the Snyder/Vinny FO situation is the root cause of our lousy predicament, it's actually pretty tempting to hope the little man in the owner's box is forced into giving up the reins, firing his weird little toady, and handing the team over to the best GM willing to take the job.

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Lol... the little toady. I want fundamental changes, back into a winning franchise, I don't care how we get there, but I want there to be hope next season, and for the future. Sacrificing two losing seasons for a continuously winning team is not a bad cost. Snyder has to want to change, if not we will continue to see this until he sells the team or dies.

I'm beginning to think the reason we go after all of these big-name free-agents is because the front office does not know how to properly draft players, so they compensate by going out and getting players that were once proven at the position. This problem is couched in the fact that we do not have a proper General Manager, thus when we do draft players its like throwing darts in the dark, sometimes you find gems like Chris Horton or Marko Mitchell, but you get a lot of busts, like Devin Thomas or Rod Gardner or Taylor Jacobs.

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[quote=atomicnixon;611228]Lol... the little toady. I want fundamental changes, back into a winning franchise, I don't care how we get there, but I want there to be hope next season, and for the future. Sacrificing two losing seasons for a continuously winning team is not a bad cost. Snyder has to want to change, [B]if not we will continue to see this until he sells the team or dies.

I'm beginning to think the reason we go after all of these big-name free-agents is because the front office does not know how to properly draft players, so they compensate by going out and getting players that were once proven at the position.[/B] This problem is couched in the fact that we do not have a proper General Manager, thus when we do draft players its like throwing darts in the dark, sometimes you find gems like Chris Horton or Marko Mitchell, but you get a lot of busts, like Devin Thomas or Rod Gardner or Taylor Jacobs.[/quote]

And there in lies the sad unfortunate reality! Plain & simple

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Zorn has lost all control of this team and despite all of his experience of playing in the nfl and in coaching, he isn't seasoned enough to change things around.

I was hoping that he was learning to be a head coach when he was with Seattle.

As far as snyder and cerrato are concerned, they seem to do well while judging talent on defense. But with offensive talent, they are horrible. Maybe instead of hoping that they get a traditional GM, which would probably be the best but unlikely decision, they should just hire someone in a position to evaluate and help with offensive players in the draft and free agency. And probably someone who can help with picking out an offensive minded head coach.

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I would start by playing Mason, Mitchell and benching Portis and ARE.

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OMG the mighty eagles are beatable....Let me rephrase that...we can beat the Eagles

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[quote=pg86;611236]OMG the mighty eagles are beatable....[/quote]

They are about to lose and take out on us next week.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611237]They are about to lose and take out on us next week.[/quote]
You must not be watching the game im watching...Im very optimistic about next week.

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[quote=pg86;611239]You must not be watching the game im watching...Im very optimistic about next week.[/quote]

Oh. I'm watching it. The Eagles came in thinking this was going to be a cakewalk and got surprised.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611241]Oh. I'm watching it. The Eagles came in thinking this was going to be a cakewalk and got surprised.[/quote]
They probably think its gonna be a cakewalk next week too...Collins will have practiced we'll see as far as Im concerned right now the Skins are 0-1 because DS is about to clean house.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611233]I would start by playing Mason, Mitchell and benching Portis and ARE.[/quote]

I would agree with this. I also think that losing close, gives the illusion this team is close. At one point I thought we were. After today, not so much. This offense resembles the Bad News Bears more than a professional football team.

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[quote=pg86;611242]They probably think its gonna be a cakewalk next week too...Collins will have practiced we'll see as far as Im concerned right now the Skins are 0-1 because DS is about to clean house.[/quote]

I hope you are right, what the skins need is someone to call them out like Pierce did the Raiders. Look what it did for them.

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67 rush yards for the eagles so far

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BTW titans...Done for life.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611237]They are about to lose and [B]take out on us[/B] next week.[/quote]

Nothing against you but I hate this media cliche.

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[quote=47FAN;611246]67 rush yards for the eagles so far[/quote]

Raiders D was nasty, sacked McDouche 5 times.

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eagles LOST hahahahaha

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[quote=Ruhskins;611249]Nothing against you but I hate this media cliche.[/quote]

What do you think motivated the Raiders? When you insult a person or a team like Pierce did, if you have any pride you respond like the Raiders did. I don't know if you watch the game but they physically hurt Philly.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;611255]What do you think motivated the Raiders? When you insult a person or a team like Pierce did, if you have any pride you respond like the Raiders did. I don't know if you watch the game but they physically hurt Philly.[/quote]

I was talking about Philly. The whole "take it out on blah blah blah". The media will go nuts with that before they play our hapless team.

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Oh Redskins great things are in store for you if you can get it together...wow...lol

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I just find it funny that some of you are optimistic about playing the eagles next week(a team that always plays us hard regardless) yet...we have lost to three....THREE winless teams! LMAO Were you "optimistic" about those games as well? LOL

What "rest of the season!?" The next 6 teams we play all have winning records! We are a joke.

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[quote=Ruhskins;611256]I was talking about Philly. The whole "take it out on blah blah blah". The media will go nuts with that before they play our hapless team.[/quote]
Are we Redskins fans guys or are we Bandwagon Cowboys fans? You should be kicking a hole in the wall talking about how your team is gonna beat the Sheagles next week because its a new season I am not gonna harp on my skins this week other than the coaching staff and the fact that we expect collins to make us 5-1 with him as the starter when he probably sits bench at practice.

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[quote=Takeuon;611262]I just find it funny that some of you are optimistic about playing the eagles next week(a team that always plays us hard regardless) yet...we have lost to three....THREE winless teams! LMAO Were you "optimistic" about those games as well? LOL

What "rest of the season!?" The next 6 teams we play all have winning records! We are a joke.[/quote]

Any given Sunday or in this case Monday

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Let me add to this... The Raiders defense held Mr.Westbrook to 50 yards.

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Put a fork in it. It's done. It's far beyond done. It's Far Beyond Driven into the dirt.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;611270]Put a fork in it. It's done. It's far beyond done. It's Far Beyond Driven into the dirt.[/quote]

Thank you

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[quote=The Goat;611220]It seems to me there are two different scenarios that we'll likely see play out. On the one hand the Skins are a team that typically play up or down to the opponent, so it's possible that while we don't win many more games we keep the scores relatively close. In the other scenario we see our Skins get blown out in at least half the remaining games, because 1) we face winning teams that play to win and 2) the problems on the oline can't be fixed any time soon and the offense just doesn't score more than 5-10 points/game through the rest of '09.

First of all I don't think the HC or starting QB will make much difference in determining which scenario is more likely, but nonetheless I think the outcome is really important and here's why: a season of blowouts likely puts as much pressure as possible on Snyder to make fundamental changes to the way he runs the Redskins, while a season of close losses probably allows him to maintain the same FO structure. [B]Now, for those of us convinced the Snyder/Vinny FO situation is the root cause of our lousy predicament, it's actually pretty tempting to hope the little man in the owner's box is forced into giving up the reins, firing his weird little toady, and handing the team over to the best GM willing to take the job.[/B]

Discuss...[/quote]We are already a punching bag for the National football media, and perhaps a few high profile blowout losses, starting with the Eagles next Monday, will force Snyder to realize that his methods have damaged the franchise (and hopefully his bottom line). Fans here have been screaming for years about valuing draft picks, and building up the O-line, but until Snyder is embarrassed nationally or takes a hit financially, I don't see him changing. I for one refuse to buy anything that contributes to Snyder's bottom line until Cerrato is fired.

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The rest of this season will be rough. I really think the defense cares, and they are close to being great. The offense has a very long way to go. If this team has no pride, they will continue to play out the rest of the season as you saw today and the last 5 weeks. Sadly such a poor offense could drag down this defense and result in guys not giving it their all. At this point Zorn has completely lost the team.

The thought process that you have to gut the entire team to rebuild is crazy talk. This defense is pretty young, and with the addition of a starting CB and one more LB this would be a top 5 unit next year.

That said offense, it is time to take a very long look in the mirror. A rookie QB would never work unless we are able to replace 3/5ths of this offensive line. Other teams are able to rebuild on the fly and be great. Please think of the Saints in 06, Falcons, Ravens, and Dolphins last year.

I wouldn't feel so depressed about this team if they were playing hard on both sides of the ball but they are not.

Injuries are no excuse. There are 32 teams and they all have injuries, and it is not the end of the year, see the Patriots last year. We have no depth. Teams build depth through the draft, clearly our best player available philosophy has not allowed us to build depth.

A big change in philosophy about building through the draft, and signing free agents who are the best fit for the team, not the Pro Bowl stud who just balled out in his contract year.

Until Dan Snyder realizes this, there is no reason to get excited for Redskins football.

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[quote=drew54;611274]The rest of this season will be rough. I really think the defense cares, and they are close to being great. The offense has a very long way to go. If this team has no pride, they will continue to play out the rest of the season as you saw today and the last 5 weeks. Sadly such a poor offense could drag down this defense and result in guys not giving it their all. At this point Zorn has completely lost the team.

The thought process that you have to gut the entire team to rebuild is crazy talk. This defense is pretty young, and with the addition of a starting CB and one more LB this would be a top 5 unit next year.

That said offense, it is time to take a very long look in the mirror. A rookie QB would never work unless we are able to replace 3/5ths of this offensive line. Other teams are able to rebuild on the fly and be great. Please think of the Saints in 06, Falcons, Ravens, and Dolphins last year.

I wouldn't feel so depressed about this team if they were playing hard on both sides of the ball but they are not.

Injuries are no excuse. There are 32 teams and they all have injuries, and it is not the end of the year, see the Patriots last year. We have no depth. Teams build depth through the draft, clearly our best player available philosophy has not allowed us to build depth.

[B]A big change in philosophy about building through the draft, and signing free agents who are the best fit for the team, not the Pro Bowl stud who just balled out in his contract year.[/B]

Until Dan Snyder realizes this, there is no reason to get excited for Redskins football.[/quote]Well said. I will be a much more patient fan if I saw this shift toward stockpiling picks and building quality depth through the draft.

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Who cAres? It's embarrising to be a skins fan right now!! Until zorn is fired I won't watch this shit anymore.

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[quote=warriorzpath;611232][B]Zorn has lost all control of this team[/B] and despite all of his experience of playing in the nfl and in coaching, he isn't seasoned enough to change things around.

I was hoping that he was learning to be a head coach when he was with Seattle.

As far as snyder and cerrato are concerned, they seem to do well while judging talent on defense. But with offensive talent, they are horrible. Maybe instead of hoping that they get a traditional GM, which would probably be the best but unlikely decision, they should just hire someone in a position to evaluate and help with offensive players in the draft and free agency. And probably someone who can help with picking out an offensive minded head coach.[/quote]

Zorn was never in control of this team. CSN post-game show put it best, nobody's going to want to coach here (Except for maybe Gruden) as long as Vinny and Cerrato continue trying to think they can out coach the coach.

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[quote=SouperMeister;611278]Well said. I will be a much more patient fan if I saw this [B]shift toward stockpiling picks and building quality depth through the draft.[/B][/quote]

I agree with you. The problem is there is no more patience to be had...as we have been saying this for how many years now!??

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I hope I wake up in the morning and espnews has a zorn is fired news flash

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[quote=skinsfaninok;611299]I hope I wake up in the morning and espnews has a zorn is fired news flash[/quote]

Next week. I would like to wake up and hear that Vinny resigned or got fired, that's even better news

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I hope by tomorrow the whole roster is gone. It's time to blow the whole thing to pieces and start over. Anything less is ridiculous.

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[quote=SouperMeister;611278]Well said. I will be a much more patient fan if I saw this shift toward stockpiling picks and building quality depth through the draft.[/quote]

Agreed. I would add the necessity to coach our young players better. If the young ones that we do have on the OL and in receivers were developed into competence, our offense could be pretty good. Instead it seems like the rookies don't develop. It is not enough to draft 'em - you must train them, too.

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F the Skins fcking awful make me sick and sad to be a fan

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[quote=Lotus;611330]Agreed. I would add the necessity to coach our young players better. If the young ones that we do have on the OL and in receivers were developed into competence, our offense could be pretty good. [B]Instead it seems like the rookies don't develop. It is not enough to draft 'em - you must train them, too[/B].[/quote]

It seems like if they're not ready to start when they get here, they never will be. I'm definitely not sold on our staff. I wonder if any of our offensive coaches could fill the same position on any other team?

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nana na na, nana na na,

hey, hey, hey

goooodbye.

seasons done folks. Sorry your reality came so late after holding out so much hope. Glad you could join the few folks whose reality already was brought to them. By the way....do we play the Titans this yr? hate to not add all the teams with losing records getting a chance to beat us.

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[quote=The Goat;611220]It seems to me there are two different scenarios that we'll likely see play out. On the one hand [B]the Skins are a team that typically play up or down to the opponent[/B], so it's possible that while we don't win many more games we keep the scores relatively close. In the other scenario we see our Skins get blown out in at least half the remaining games, because 1) we face winning teams that play to win and 2) the problems on the oline can't be fixed any time soon and the offense just doesn't score more than 5-10 points/game through the rest of '09.

First of all I don't think the HC or starting QB will make much difference in determining which scenario is more likely, but nonetheless I think the outcome is really important and here's why: a season of blowouts likely puts as much pressure as possible on Snyder to make fundamental changes to the way he runs the Redskins, while a season of close losses probably allows him to maintain the same FO structure. Now, for those of us convinced the Snyder/Vinny FO situation is the root cause of our lousy predicament, it's actually pretty tempting to hope the little man in the owner's box is forced into giving up the reins, firing his weird little toady, and handing the team over to the best GM willing to take the job.

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I am so sick of this myth that I could throw up whenever I hear it mentioned. How could we possibly play down to anyone? We are the [U]definition[/U] of a bottom feeder. We are not being upset week after week by lesser teams. We are getting beaten by teams who are [U]better[/U] than we are. That's why they play the games - to find out which team is better.

Detroit is [U]better[/U] than we are. Carolina is [U]better[/U] than we are. KC is [U]better[/U] than we are. And every one of those teams is absolutely terrible. What does that make us?

The Redskins have just gone through a five game stretch that just might represent the easiest schedule in the [U]history[/U] of the NFL, and we only won two of those games! I've been a Skins fan for over fifty years and, to tell you the sad truth, this is the worst offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team.

So that's where we stand. We have a good defense and, to go with it, we have the absolute [U]worst[/U] offense I have ever seen on a Redskins team. Put the two together and we are a bottom dwelling team. We do not play down to the competition because there is no down from where we live. We live in the same level of the food chain as St. Louis, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Kansas City.