Mosely: Campbell to start
 

Here's the link:
[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4578786]Source: Jason Campbell to start at QB for Washington Redskins - ESPN[/url]

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That's the second time I've read that bingo joke about Sherman Smith which leads me to fear it may actually be true.

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I think if you're not giving up on the season, and Zorn's not and I don't blame him, this is the right choice. Maybe Lewis will call plays that will maximize the offense. Zorn can't, and shouldn't give up. If he does, he might as well quit.

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Does it really matter? This is a lost season, and all due to O-line neglect that most on this board decried each of the past two years. I feel bad for Campbell - while he played poorly in the first half, he has been utterly failed by the FO since we traded up to draft him. I keep going back to the Philly blueprint. Andy Reid went in with a plan, and has provided stability even during their tough times. I have little hope that a Snyderato run regime will ever have the necessary stability to win.

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Speaking of Andy Reidy; he benched McNabb last year at second half.. Well, I guess I hope it will do the magical for Campbell too..

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[quote=djnemo65;612454]That's the second time I've read that bingo joke about Sherman Smith which leads me to fear it may actually be true.[/quote]

you mean that last sentence about coming from calling bingo? that's true i think... several WaPo writers reported it.

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[quote=GridIron26;612458]Speaking of Andy Reidy; he benched McNabb last year at second half.. Well, I guess I hope it will do the magical for Campbell too..[/quote]

Big difference in QB's my man. McNabb is a pro bowl QB who led his team to the NFC Champ game like 4 yrs in a row and the SB. JC has never made the playoffs. It would be nice to see a fire under JC for once but i doubt the benching did anything to improve him as he already knew he was playing for his career this yr. What more do you need?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;612464]Big difference in QB's my man. McNabb is a pro bowl QB who led his team to the NFC Champ game like 4 yrs in a row and the SB. JC has never made the playoffs. It would be nice to see a fire under JC for once but i doubt the benching did anything to improve him as he already knew he was playing for his career this yr. What more do you need?[/quote]

Maybe we need an offensive line that doesnt have 2 dudes on it that wouldnt make most NFL Rosters and Stephon Heyer... I think this is the right call. I mean it wont make a difference either way. The offensive line is just not good enough to support either guy.

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It is a sinking ship. JC has had his shot fellas and he isn't really any much better than Ramsey or Frerotte. Zorn and the O line are problems for sure, but JC is also a negative. THe guy has had plenty of chances to show us he is the man(got more chances than Ramsey) and came up on empty. Marty turned it around after the bye in 200, but that is Marty, one of the bes HCs in the modern day. Only the truly deluded can't put some of the blame on Campbell. The guy after all this time still holds onto the ball way too long and still can't look off on all of his receivers whether the protection breaks down or not. Last season he didn't throw too many INTS or TDs, now it is mostly INTs in the same offense with the same line, albeit tattered. THe Eagles need a win to get up on the Gmen in the playoff quest, while we are going nowhere. I truly hope we can get a miracle, but these guys are not showing me any motivation or integrity in their performance thus far. It is still the Cooley, CP, and Moss show, and CP and Moss are slipping. Pretty soon Cooley is going to want out if this keeps up.

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[quote=Gmanc711;612465]Maybe we need an offensive line that doesnt have 2 dudes on it that wouldnt make most NFL Rosters and Stephon Heyer... I think this is the right call. I mean it wont make a difference either way. The offensive line is just not good enough to support either guy.[/quote]


Would be nice to also have some multiple targets other than Moss and Cooley to throw to. Campbell is screwed because of the line, but he still is deficient in some of the basic crap that caused Gibbs to dump Ramsey. His INTs have dramatically increased as well. I just don't see how JC is so much superior to previous post Gibbs I Qbs.

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Campbell shouldn't get all the blame...it's not like if you put Peyton Manning behind that offensive line, he would be putting up incredible numbers either, probably not that much better either

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Well JC should start the game but if he plays poorly they can always put TC in the game. If TC comes in the game its not going well for us. TC should get a few reps this week just in case but JC is our best opts right now. I would not want to be a QB behind our no run blocking, pass protecting sorry ass line. Instead of the Hogs we got slice bacon.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;612468]Pretty soon Cooley is going to want out if this keeps up.[/quote]

That is my main concern. How long will Cooley be happy on a team that's not using him, or supporting him. I'm sure there's a few people other than JC that would like a better O-line, and I'm sure Cooley is one of the main ones. He's not going to get back to the Pro Bowl by helping the O-line block.

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I wouldnt say our line is the worst in the league, but even if it was its on the Coaches to adjust. Big Ben got killed last yr and didnt have a run game, yet he still made plays and won the SB. A Rodgers has been sacked 11 more times than JC and he still has more yds and td's with less picks. Hell Farve has been sacked the same amount as JC and has double the td's with less picks. Bottomline you can still have good numbers on offense with a banged up oline. The WCO is supposed to help teams with subpar Olines. Isnt it?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;612507]I wouldnt say our line is the worst in the league, but even if it was its on the Coaches to adjust. Big Ben got killed last yr and didnt have a run game, yet he still made plays and won the SB. A Rodgers has been sacked 11 more times than JC and he still has more yds and td's with less picks. Hell Farve has been sacked the same amount as JC and has double the td's with less picks. Bottomline you can still have good numbers on offense with a banged up oline. The WCO is supposed to help teams with subpar Olines. Isnt it?[/quote]
Cards made it to the SB as well... 2 teams with suspect O-Lines

Gotta be tough and stand in there, move around through it

They could help with more roll outs, etc though... would probably have him roll to the wrong side and right into a sack though

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I think calling this season a loss is a little premature.

Yes, we have lost to some of the worst teams in the league this year making us the worst team in the league but plenty of positives can come from this year.

I think that if this team can play hard and rally for the remainder of the season we could get a big boost to morale and show the rest of the league that just because you're down it does not mean you are out.

Hearing the fans boo the team makes me sick to my stomach because if they ever needed fan support from us its now. Do not rule this team out, their record isn't that horrible and its a long season.

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should be interesting to see what they can do the next game with a neutered coach and a young QB who was benched the previous week... maybe this will be what finally works! :food-smil

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;612464]Big difference in QB's my man. McNabb is a pro bowl QB who led his team to the NFC Champ game like 4 yrs in a row and the SB. JC has never made the playoffs. It would be nice to see a fire under JC for once but i doubt the benching did anything to improve him as he already knew he was playing for his career this yr. What more do you need?[/quote]

He rarely does jack when he does have time to throw. QBs are IMPORTANT. The best ones aren't the best because they have the best pass protection. Look at what Aaron Rodgers is doing this year, or what Roethlisberger did last year. Or hell, look at what Cassel's sorry ass did against the Skins Defense, which is head and shoulders better than the Chiefs pathetic D. Even tonight, Rivers was getting his ass kicked all night, but his Offense still managed more than 6 points, and they were playing one of the best Defenses in the league. Let's stop pretending all QBs are created equal and the O-line is the only thing that separates the good ones from bad ones. JC is just not very good.

Other than the 6-2 start last year (and even then he only had 8 TDs), he's been very average, and definitely not above being benched. Boo-hoo, he didn't get to play behind the Hogs, and he didn't get to play in the same system for 15 years. Life ain't fair. He had his chances, and he blew all of them. 10 more years as a journeyman backup is a great life. This team is shit and needs to start from scratch.

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[quote=Chevy13;612518]should be interesting to see what they can do the next game with a neutered coach and a young QB who was benched the previous week... maybe this will be what finally works! :food-smil[/quote]

Who's the young QB we're starting? Did we sign someone new? JC is in the upper half of all NFL QBs in terms of starts, so you can't be talking about him.

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[quote=PortimusPrime;612514]I think calling this season a loss is a little premature.

Yes, we have lost to some of the worst teams in the league this year making us the worst team in the league but plenty of positives can come from this year.

I think that if this team [B]can play hard [/B]and rally for the remainder of the season we could get a big boost to morale and show the rest of the league that just because you're down it does not mean you are out.

Hearing the fans boo the team makes me sick to my stomach because if they ever needed fan support from us its now. Do not rule this team out, their record isn't that horrible and its a long season.[/quote]

I agree. Playing hard is the key, because the other 31 teams don't really try all that much. We just need to play HARD! Why didn't we think of that sooner? Coach hard, play hard... it's so simple. Talent, Competence and brains be damned. Just go HARD and everything will be alright!

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[quote=rbanerjee23;612499]Campbell shouldn't get all the blame...it's not like if you put Peyton Manning behind that offensive line, he would be putting up incredible numbers either, probably not that much better either[/quote]

So Campbell = Manning?

Is Peyton Manning better than Aaron Rodgers, because Rodgers has been sacked 25 times this year. Wanna know his numbers?

8 TDs, 2 INTs, 1500 yards and a 104.1 QB rating.

JC has been sacked 14 times. So let's use the poor coaching and bad WRs excuse instead to explain why JC would be a Hall of Famer with a different team.

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[quote=44Deezel;612523]He rarely does jack when he does have time to throw. QBs are IMPORTANT. The best ones aren't the best because they have the best pass protection. Look at what Aaron Rodgers is doing this year, or what Roethlisberger did last year. Or hell, look at what Cassel's sorry ass did against the Skins Defense, which is head and shoulders better than the Chiefs pathetic D. Even tonight, Rivers was getting his ass kicked all night, but his Offense still managed more than 6 points, and they were playing one of the best Defenses in the league. Let's stop pretending all QBs are created equal and the O-line is the only thing that separates the good ones from bad ones. JC is just not very good.

Other than the 6-2 start last year (and even then he only had 8 TDs), he's been very average, and definitely not above being benched. Boo-hoo, he didn't get to play behind the Hogs, and he didn't get to play in the same system for 15 years. Life ain't fair. He had his chances, and he blew all of them. 10 more years as a journeyman backup is a great life. This team is shit and needs to start from scratch.[/quote]

Hey man! Didnt you hear? JC got benched last week so NOW he is going to come out and make it rain td's because NOW he is motivated unlike before when he was just playing for a contract and possibly his last chance of being a starter in this league.
The Soup slirpers are saying JC will pull a McNabb and play lights out but they have to remember that McNabb only had a number 1 wr -T.O-for 1 yr and he was still a pro bowl QB and took his team to Conf Champ games and a SB appearance.

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[quote=44Deezel;612524]Who's the young QB we're starting? Did we sign someone new? JC is in the upper half of all NFL QBs in terms of starts, so you can't be talking about him.[/quote]

Sorry 27 just seems young to me but I guess your right in NFL years he's not very young but he still plays like it :)

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Kind of interesting interview:

[url]http://cstvpodcast.cstv.com.edgesuite.net/lavar/101909_lavaranddukes_seg9.mp3?_kip_ipx=575778125-1256035302[/url]

Campbell feels like he's been held back, says there are def plenty of issues going on with the team (obviously), asked if he had any trust left with anybody on the team.. said he trusts God but has some great teammates.. people will always talk behind your back though

said it's tough, the situation with Sherman Lewis -- Lewis must be nervous with a spotlight on him, tough situation for Zorn, they took his pride away.. Campbell talked to Lewis Monday briefly but that's all that he's talked with him

says distractions from media dealing with the confusion at the FO etc could be effecting the team on-field when asked, but could only answer for himself

said team has to put the previous games to the side, make sure Monday is a new start and not the same old stuff, says that O can feel like everything has to be too perfect that it can keep them from just making good plays, because a handful of plays can make a big difference.. so they need to get the need for perfection out their head and play a bit looser, have more fun and confidence and let go of the tension, don't let a bad play or people in your ears keep you from doing what you can do

said he's not thinking about the contract, wishes the situation was better but it isn't, just has to make it happen on the field and get wins

lavar asked if campbell was playing more to not make mistakes and less to get a win, if he felt he needs to just let it go and sling it and not worry about being benched.. JC said he hit it on the head and sometimes he feels he needs to play too perfectly and that they already have benched him at this point, so his next process is to just go play ball and not worry about what they're going to do with him at this point (hopefully he follows this), he said not to play sloppy and not worry about progressions, but ease up and play his game.. everyone seems to have answers but do the people criticizing have the heart to be in his position... got a little ranty here about being criticized "I'm moving forward and it's time to play ball"

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No surprise that JC would start. McNabb was benched, I think last season, when he wasnt playing well in a game and came back next week.

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[quote=tryfuhl;612562]Kind of interesting interview:

[URL]http://cstvpodcast.cstv.com.edgesuite.net/lavar/101909_lavaranddukes_seg9.mp3?_kip_ipx=575778125-1256035302[/URL]

Campbell feels like he's been held back, says there are def plenty of issues going on with the team (obviously), asked if he had any trust left with anybody on the team.. said he trusts God but has some great teammates.. people will always talk behind your back though

said it's tough, the situation with Sherman Lewis -- Lewis must be nervous with a spotlight on him, tough situation for Zorn, they took his pride away.. Campbell talked to Lewis Monday briefly but that's all that he's talked with him

says distractions from media dealing with the confusion at the FO etc could be effecting the team on-field when asked, but could only answer for himself

said team has to put the previous games to the side, make sure Monday is a new start and not the same old stuff, says that O can feel like everything has to be too perfect that it can keep them from just making good plays, because a handful of plays can make a big difference.. so they need to get the need for perfection out their head and play a bit looser, have more fun and confidence and let go of the tension, don't let a bad play or people in your ears keep you from doing what you can do

said he's not thinking about the contract, wishes the situation was better but it isn't, just has to make it happen on the field and get wins

lavar asked if campbell was playing more to not make mistakes and less to get a win, if he felt he needs to just let it go and sling it and not worry about being benched.. JC said he hit it on the head and sometimes he feels he needs to play too perfectly and that they already have benched him at this point, so his next process is to just go play ball and not worry about what they're going to do with him at this point (hopefully he follows this), he said not to play sloppy and not worry about progressions, but ease up and play his game.. everyone seems to have answers but do the people criticizing have the heart to be in his position... got a little ranty here about being criticized "I'm moving forward and it's time to play ball"[/quote]

Same shit just another interview. He's been saying for years that he just needs to go and sling it. Since Al Saunders was here he's been spouting that bull. Two different systems, the same results for both. Piss poor play. Thank you to DBUCHANON, and 44Deezel for seeing the light. For those of you yelling about how Peyton couldn't survive behind this line guess what Peyton does that Jason refuses to ? Call his own protection schemes. A big part of playing Qb now is outsmarting the opposing D. Do you ever see the chess match between Jason and the MLB ? Have you ever seen it. Have you ever seen Jason change something up at the line. Oh my fault,... they don't let him ? REALLY ? This is the only place where they don't let a QB audible? I don't buy it one bit. He can audible he chooses not to. HE checked to a run play on 3rd and 8 against the Giants. HE called a 4th quarter timeout against Carolina because he didn't like the play, why not change it.

He's backed on Lavar and Dukes' show of anger and hate towards Danny because he does interviews there. I mean come on now. If you watch football you can see that there is a distinct difference between him and the good QB's in the league. I love this team and I am a fan but I've got to call it like I see it.

Danny was right, and sadly Josh McDaniels was right too !

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[quote=Chevy13;612518]should be interesting to see what they can do the next game with a neutered coach and a young QB who was benched the previous week... maybe this will be what finally works! :food-smil[/quote]

First, all Head Coaches don't call their own plays. They manage the team which is what Zorn is still doing. He's still the HC, just not the HC;OC; QB's Coach; Cheerleader; Janitor; Yoga Instructor; Lifeguard; etc...

Second, Jason isn't young anymore. 5 years in the league, 3 1/2 as a starting QB. You contract is up after this year. You're a vet homie. However, it says alot when we still talk about him like he's in his first year.

Once he starts calling his own protections then we can start tipping suds.

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I would have liked to have seen TC get the start but at this point does it really matter? I mean, we're headed into a big division matchup on MNF with a guy calling the plays that's been here for 2 weeks!

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[quote=tryfuhl;612562]Kind of interesting interview:

[url]http://cstvpodcast.cstv.com.edgesuite.net/lavar/101909_lavaranddukes_seg9.mp3?_kip_ipx=575778125-1256035302[/url]

[B]Campbell feels like he's been held back[/B], says there are def plenty of issues going on with the team (obviously), asked if he had any trust left with anybody on the team.. said he trusts God but has some great teammates.. [B]people will always talk behind your back though[/B]
said it's tough, the situation with Sherman Lewis -- Lewis must be nervous with a spotlight on him, tough situation for Zorn, they took his pride away.. Campbell talked to Lewis Monday briefly but that's all that he's talked with him

[B]says distractions from media dealing with the confusion at the FO etc could be effecting the team on-field when asked, but could only answer for himself[/B]

said team has to put the previous games to the side, make sure Monday is a new start and not the same old stuff, says that O can feel like everything has to be too perfect that it can keep them from just making good plays, because a handful of plays can make a big difference.. so they need to get the need for perfection out their head and play a bit looser, have more fun and confidence and let go of the tension, [B]don't let a bad play or people in your ears keep you from doing what you can do[/B]

said he's not thinking about the contract, wishes the situation was better but it isn't, just has to make it happen on the field and get wins

lavar asked if campbell was playing more to not make mistakes and less to get a win, if he felt he needs to just let it go and sling it and not worry about being benched.. [B]JC said he hit it on the head and sometimes he feels he needs to play too perfectly and that they already have benched him at this point, so his next process is to just go play ball and not worry about what they're going to do with him at this point [/B](hopefully he follows this), he said not to play sloppy and not worry about progressions, but ease up and play his game.. [B]everyone seems to have answers but do the people criticizing have the heart to be in his position[/B]... got a little ranty here about being criticized "I'm moving forward and it's time to play ball"[/quote]

What a pussy! Do you think that Sonny Jurgensen or Brett Farvre ever gave a rat's ass about what others said about them? How can Campbell talk about heart when he doesn't even have the heart to do it his way when he's in a critical contract year, he's already been pulled from a game, and he knows that the FO doesn't want him and that Zorn is a lame duck? I am just so tired of his passivity! And, now, he's started with the "poor me" crap!

Holding him back? Well, now that Zorn has had the play calling taken away from him, Zorn won't be holding him back. Surely, at this point, Zorn wouldn't pull Campbell for a little thing like ignoring Sherman Lewis and running whatever JC felt like running. Zorn would probably secretly love it. If Campbell wants a career in the NFL and he thinks he's been held back up to now, then he'd better just start doing it his way, no matter what the consequences.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;612578]Same shit just another interview. ![/quote]
I'm just the messenger here

you can tell that he plays worried though

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;612507]I wouldnt say our line is the worst in the league, but even if it was its on the Coaches to adjust. Big Ben got killed last yr and didnt have a run game, yet he still made plays and won the SB. A Rodgers has been sacked 11 more times than JC and he still has more yds and td's with less picks. Hell Farve has been sacked the same amount as JC and has double the td's with less picks. Bottomline you can still have good numbers on offense with a banged up oline. The WCO is supposed to help teams with subpar Olines. Isnt it?[/quote]

Well JC is not as talented as Big Ben or Favre and the team should recognize that and fix the o-line (since it is also hurting the running game).

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I bet we could dig up a Ramsey thread and just put JC in the place of Ramsey and it would look like the threads we have going today.

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Starting JC is the right move, if for no other reason the team needs to see how he'll react & assess him for contract purposes, which at this point is just making sure they'll let him walk.

I've been a fan of JC since Gibbs drafted him, always liked him & thought he would grow here. I think he's like most of Gibbs' qb's; he can play well w/in a structured offense that emphasizes protection, but he's certainly not much more than an avg. nfl qb. I'm sad to say I think he's regressed this year. I do believe that much of it is the dysfunctional unit that he's part of; sorry o line & wr's. Still, he has to take the blame for his inaccurracy, which has been a problem since preseason.

For all those comments about qb's that play well behind weak o lines. How many of those guys have wr's as sorry as ours? None!

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jason need to sit he had his chance to show something. the brother don't anticipate route, the receiver has to be open for him to throw the ball. he lock in on moss too much n doesn't look off receiver n come back to that receiver. you see the peyton, d.brees, eli, big ben u watch how the play jason is no way close to them. Yes o-line is not great but we need to look at the draft next year but for now todd should start jason already had he's go, even last we when todd came in the off was movin the pretty well.

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im happy JC gets the start and they announced it fairly early in the week. i hope our offensive players wake the F up and realize there are 52 guys on this roster relying on them playing hard every snap.

i really like our chances against the eagles, even with sherman lewis calling the plays. (is that his name?)

go skins!!

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Why not let Jason call his own plays? He knows what he can do best and which players he can count on to make plays.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;612644]Why not let Jason call his own plays? He knows what he can do best and [B]which players he can count on to make plays.[/B][/quote]

Cooley... and Moss.. And... And? Anyone? Buehler?

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It doesn't matter who starts at quarterback on this team. Basically Zorn is picking the tackling dummy for this week. A five man offensive line that can't block three defenders is a problem. Philly's defense is going to tee off on this horrible offensive line. Zorn is probably thinking Campbell has the best chance of running from the blitz. Until the offensive line starts performing, the results will be the same no matter who is back there. Zorn needs to activate a third quarterback, because I don't think Campbell and Collins will make it through the year. This game is going to be UGLY!

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[quote=53Fan;612455]I think if you're not giving up on the season, and Zorn's not and I don't blame him, this is the right choice. Maybe Lewis will call plays that will maximize the offense. Zorn can't, and shouldn't give up. If he does, he might as well quit.[/quote]

I agree......And remember Sunday was the first time Campbell has ever been benched in his football career, I'm hoping this will spark him beyond what happened to him during to offseason. It can't make up for his physical lilitations but hopefully make for a less cautious approach.

There's no further humiliation and/or embarassment the two of them can endure, so if Lewis, notwithstanding what he can't do, can help Zorn in certain situations he has nothing to lose if he's going to be fired anyway. The only way it couldn't be an asset would be if Lewis didn't know the plays.

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All I know is that I am going to have my popcorn ready on Monday night. Either the Skins will absolutely get destroyed because the Eagles are that much better, or the offense will rally behind a rejuvenated JC and begin to over achieve.