Washington Examiner: Ceratto and Zorn were almost fired together last season
 

Pretty scathing commentary about the Redskins from Rick Snider.. [url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-circus-is-full-of-clowns-64812042.html]Rick Snider: Redskins' circus is full of clowns | Washington Examiner[/url]

One really interesting part of the article, that Snyder's dissatisfaction with the way the team is heading went back to last season:
[I]-However, Cerrato wants Zorn to stay as his shield. Wasn’t Zorn chosen by Cerrato? Wasn’t Cerrato the one who drafted three lousy second-rounders last season who all appear busts?

Snyder will likely dismiss Cerrato come season’s end. After all, Snyder nearly fired both Zorn and Cerrato after last season.[/I]

If nothing else, this gives some hope that change is a coming. Snider may not have the name as some of the Times and Post guys but he had Cuter first and if I'm not mistaken, he was one of the first on Gibbs 2.0 as well. They guy is definitely connected at Redskins Park.

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It gives me optimism too to think there's a good chance there could be a major philosophical shift moving forward. Like a heroine addict who hit rock bottom, we could look back at this season in 10 years as the point when everything began to change for the better.

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Is this just a rant? Or does Snider actually have something to back his assertions up with? Sure it sounds good and resonates among fans - but is it anything more than speculation??

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That's one guy's word.. I mean I'm sure Snyder was pissed but who knows

I'm surprised there haven't been public death threats to the guy yet

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Don't tease me!!!!!

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To the extent that I hope this article is correct, I feel the giddy optimism appropriate for a fan for the first time in weeks.

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Really, Snyder would consider firing Cerrato for the good of the team? sounds unheard off

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I don't see why anybody would find this news by itself exciting. This is classic bad manager syndrome, it's just that The Danny has finally had to move the ceiling of blame up a notch and it's cutting his Yes Man's head off. It still indicates that Snyder feels no responsibility for the team's problems, and it just makes Cerrato the fall guy for all of Danny's tinkering.

If he hires a real GM and gives him the authority to build a winner, then we can talk about optimism.

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A true disaster of season like this is just what Snyder needs to finally wake the F up, can Vinny and get a real GM in here. Zorn was Vinny's hire, and he's had the last two drafts to officially call his own, this folks is Vinny's sinking ship.

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Right on Matty! I bet cerrato and zorn are gone and shanahan comes in next season. Hell maybe as a hc and gm

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[quote=dgack;613134]I don't see why anybody would find this news by itself exciting. This is classic bad manager syndrome, it's just that The Danny has finally had to move the ceiling of blame up a notch and it's cutting his Yes Man's head off. It still indicates that Snyder feels no responsibility for the team's problems, and it just makes Cerrato the fall guy for all of Danny's tinkering.

[B]If he hires a real GM and gives him the authority to build a winner, then we can talk about optimism.[/B][/quote]

Essentially I agree. But firing Vinny would be a big first step towards that hoped-for goal.

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OK I made this argument in the past when the BS about hiring a "real GM" was always brought up. It isn't enough to just hire a GM, the guy has to be good at it...otherwise you might as well just have Snyder be the actual GM. I only bring this up now because Snyder finally did hire a GM. Cerrato. He hasn't had the authority until just the last few years and he's obviously average at best and made some serious mistakes. Now we expect Snyder to go from not having a real GM, to finally hiring one and having it blow in his face, to firing that guy and hiring the absolute right GM? No chance. I am a Snyder apologist but even I can see Snyder's biggest problem is admitting he isn't very good at this from an execution standpoint. He's gonna bag himself another patsy or two to run this how he likes to run it. I hate Sally Jenkins but her quote about Snyder prefering to RUN a mediocre team rather than sit back and simply own a good team is right on.

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I mean it should be obvious terminating Cerrato is only half the task required to turning the Redskins ship around. The other half is Snyder completely turning the staff and roster over to the best GM willing to work for him...

...and I still say it's extremely unlikely to happen. Snyder prefers another toady GM and big name coach. I'll be shocked if a great coach works for him any time soon, so I expect him to settle for another toady GM and whoever will take the HC position.

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Every year, Lucy would promise not to pull the football away from Charlie Brown. But she always did. It didn't matter how much Charlie Brown hoped and believed that she would not.


Now some folks here have hopes that Danny Boy is going to go through a total change of heart in the way he runs his franchise.


It could happen. But until it does, I am not going to race up and try to kick that football...

[INDENT][B]Memo to Danny Boy:[/B] Just do it![/INDENT]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;613216]Every year, Lucy would promise not to pull the football away from Charlie Brown. But she always did. It didn't matter how much Charlie Brown hoped and believed that she would not.


Now some folks here have hopes that Danny Boy is going to go through a total change of heart in the way he runs his franchise.


It could happen. But until it does, I am not going to race up and try to kick that football...
[INDENT][B]Memo to Danny Boy:[/B] Just do it!
[/INDENT][/quote]

Good summary of what a lot of us fans are hoping for. Like JLC of the post has said, every summer DS says he's "learned" from his mistakes, yet we still see the huge fa signings, consultant bingo caller, etc.

Given the way this year is going, the fans are just not showing up at fedex. I wonder how much this year will hurt operating revenue? I wonder at what point the Danny, as a biz man, will realize that the team's monetary value has maxed out for a while & it's actually on a decline? Would he sell if it comes to that?

If Forbes drops that $1.6 billion no. I expect to see him do something.

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[quote=djnemo65;613062]It gives me optimism too to think there's a good chance there could be a major philosophical shift moving forward. Like a heroine addict who hit rock bottom, we could look back at this season in 10 years as the point when everything began to change for the better.[/quote]

You're on to something, and we all regret it had to come to this for the realization to come front and center.

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The biggest problem with Daniel Snyder is that he thinks of this organization as a business first, and a football team second. When you own a professional sports team, you can't run it like any other business. You have to realize that it is a sports franchise, and to continue making money over each year, that sports franchise must win on a consistent basis and must win championships. Snyder pretty much has used the franchise to rape its fan base of as much money as possible. It could possibly be that such a crime is finally starting to catch up to him, unless Snyder wakes up and makes a change. The easiest thing he could to do is get rid of Vinny, and allow the new GM to clean house. Because the money eventually will dry up the way the organization is being run today. Sure, it's still very profitable, but those profits will diminish the more empty the stadium becomes on Sundays.

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Zorn does not deserve to be fired, but that doesnt mean that is isn't going to be. In my mind he is a good coach who was brought into a bad situation. I think that the decision on Zorn should be determined by whoever the GM is after Cerrato gets the boot. I am kinda hoping that Holmgren gets that job. I think that he would have faith in Zorn and keep him around for a couple of more seasons to give him the opportunity to turn this thing around and clear his name.

As far as Snyder goes, he is not going to sell that team. I would just give up on that fairy tale right now and start hoping for more realistic things like giving Cerrato the boot and finally hring a GM.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;613063]Is this just a rant? Or does Snider actually have something to back his assertions up with? Sure it sounds good and resonates among fans - but is it anything more than speculation??[/quote]

What does Duke Snider have to do with the Redskins?


This is great news to hear, even if it is not from Snyder. Cerrato being rumored to be fired in major media can only help keep the idea in Snyder's mind if it is not already.

If we can lose Vinny, we'll make major strides quickly I believe.

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Well, let's get on with it and FIRE VINNY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsguy;613241][B]The biggest problem with Daniel Snyder is that he thinks of this organization as a business first, and a football team second.[/B] When you own a professional sports team, you can't run it like any other business. You have to realize that it is a sports franchise, and to continue making money over each year, that sports franchise must win on a consistent basis and must win championships. Snyder pretty much has used the franchise to rape its fan base of as much money as possible. It could possibly be that such a crime is finally starting to catch up to him, unless Snyder wakes up and makes a change. The easiest thing he could to do is get rid of Vinny, and allow the new GM to clean house. Because the money eventually will dry up the way the organization is being run today. Sure, it's still very profitable, but those profits will diminish the more empty the stadium becomes on Sundays.[/quote]

I'm not sure this accusation is accurate. If this were true, he would take a Kansas City Royals approach and hire the cheapest players regardless of team earnings...or a Marlins approach and shoot for a championship and dismantle the team immediately afterwards to save payroll. We have had a solid core of talented and expensive players for years and we're always trying to complement them. I believe Snyder really wants a winning team. Unfortunately, the man he's given roster move duties to is Vinny Cerrato.