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So what do you want/expect to happen (if anything) before we take the field again?

Here's my wish list:

*Coaching changes! Not Zorn. I think losing Zorn doesn't get us anywhere and probably just creates turmoil. I would look to bring in new coaches for the WR corp, special teams and possibly oline (controversy!!!). Thomas showed he has talent tonight but he's very raw and I have to believe there's someone better than Hixon out there to hopefully take DT, Kelly and Mitchell to the next level. Our performance on special teams is just atrocious. It makes no difference who returns kicks/punts when there's lousy blocking (ARL should never return another punt again though). Finally, the oline has just become too bad to leave that group untouched. Gruden made the comment tonight Philly has tons of oline injuries as well but they make do. And then with 4:40 to go in the game, when Zorn goes for it on 4th and goal, the oline looked like it gave up before the huddle even broke. Someone has to light a fire under this group OR WE DON'T WIN ANOTHER GAME IN '09.

*Devin Thomas should be named to return kicks/punts or possibly both. He's arguably the most explosive offensive player we have and we just can't waste anymore opportunities.

*Zorn must promise to never start Heyer at LT again...ever.

*Give the defense a good week off to rest...the offense practices every day for minimum 8 hours (and there better be video evidence to prove it :))

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Get rid of ARE and Heyer, bench Rabach.

Start Williams at C, Jones at LT and give Marko Mitchell playing time. Time to see what the young guys have for next year.

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If Snyder wants to make a statement, he should fire Cerrato and promote Brown as interim GM until the end of the year.

I agree with SFREDSKINS, bench ARE, Heyer, Rabach, and maybe...maybe Moss.

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Can we get rid of JC? Anyway's i want to See Davis, Mitchell and Thomas start every game the rest of the yr. Although it doesn't matter because they dont have a QB to get them the damn ball. As far as the D, they will continue to fight, and anyone who watched this game tonight (hopefully not many ppl) saw that we have a Playoff type defense. Their offense had 2 plays thats it!

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[quote=The Goat;616571]So what do you want/expect to happen (if anything) before we take the field again?

Here's my wish list:

*Coaching changes! Not Zorn. I think losing Zorn doesn't get us anywhere and probably just creates turmoil. I would look to bring in new coaches for the WR corp, special teams and possibly oline (controversy!!!). Thomas showed he has talent tonight but he's very raw and I have to believe there's someone better than Hixon out there to hopefully take DT, Kelly and Mitchell to the next level. Our performance on special teams is just atrocious. It makes no difference who returns kicks/punts when there's lousy blocking (ARL should never return another punt again though). Finally, the oline has just become too bad to leave that group untouched. Gruden made the comment tonight Philly has tons of oline injuries as well but they make do. And then with 4:40 to go in the game, when Zorn goes for it on 4th and goal, the oline looked like it gave up before the huddle even broke. Someone has to light a fire under this group OR WE DON'T WIN ANOTHER GAME IN '09.

*Devin Thomas should be named to return kicks/punts or possibly both. He's arguably the most explosive offensive player we have and we just can't waste anymore opportunities.

*Zorn must promise to never start Heyer at LT again...ever.

*Give the defense a good week off to rest...the offense practices every day for minimum 8 hours (and there better be video evidence to prove it :))[/quote]

I agree with everything you just said.

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By the way Sherm Lewis coached Rice and Taylor as a WR coach for the 49ers in the 80's. So we already have someone who can help our receivers.

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[quote=Ruhskins;616581][B]If Snyder wants to make a statement, he should fire Cerrato and promote Brown as interim GM until the end of the year.[/B]

I agree with SFREDSKINS, bench ARE, Heyer, Rabach, and maybe...maybe Moss.[/quote]

At least we can dream...

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I want to see Kelly given more opportunities, whether we think that he "gets it" right now or not.

I want to see Sellers lead blocking less and Betts in that role more.

Heyer has to go back to the RT spot, man does he look helpless out there. He's not the only issue either, but he looked better at RT, let Jones start LT; if Rabach can't get his shit together between blocking, protection, and snaps, put Williams in. Start giving him half of the snaps now.

Don't give an extra day off because of the bye, these players get paid to play, they need to practice so that they can play worth a damn.

Get Davis working with Wach and Bugel on blocking.

Start designing more plays around Thomas and go ahead and see what you have in Mitchell.

Take ARE off of punt returns, for good. Try out a couple of guys at KR, it's rare that Rock is a threat to take it past the 30.. that used to be a guarantee with him, now we guarantee the mid 20 yard lines. Despite his longer run tonight, we need something more.

Snyder needs to start talking to his personnel guys now about possible draft picks, trades for picks if possible, etc. Hell, who knows if they'll even be here. I don't know who's overruling who in the FO but it's said that they don't listen to our scouts well.

I could go on and on but I'm sure that I've duplicated points and others will make the other ones that I could have come up with.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616592]By the way Sherm Lewis coached Rice and Taylor as a WR coach for the 49ers in the 80's. So we already have someone who can help our receivers.[/quote]

Word...so fire Hixon already.

Speaking of Lewis I liked the play calling tonight. The execution still sucks but the calls were pretty legit. It seemed like we saw some new plays tonight?

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[quote=The Goat;616600]Word...so fire Hixon already.

Speaking of Lewis I liked the play calling tonight. The execution still sucks but the calls were pretty legit. It seemed like we saw some new plays tonight?[/quote]

Except for that horrible snap by Rabach.

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[quote=The Goat;616600]Word...so fire Hixon already.

Speaking of Lewis I liked the play calling tonight. The execution still sucks but the calls were pretty legit. It seemed like we saw some new plays tonight?[/quote]

EXECUTION MY MAN, you are right on... JC can't make plays he's not a winnable qb in this league

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I want to see Davis, Thomas, and Kelly (Marko too actually) become a real part of this offense. I dont mean give them a chance here and there but I wanna see them put out there on a consistent basis and THEN if it isnt working than we can come to a real conclusion on where we stand with our receivers.

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I think I'll lift weights, try to quit smoking, and forget about football for awhile.

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I agree with most of the statements on this thread. I thought JC would be much improved in his 2nd year of Zorn's WC offense, but he has regressed. It's not all his fault but he needs to secure the ball when he is getting sacked. JC does not have a good O-Line in front of him which means he has to make quick reads, run or throw the ball away. What bothers most about JC is his lack of emotion out on the field. He is so medium I cant tell if we were winning or losing the game. He doesnt show any fire or nor does he show any vocal leadership. It would be shocking if he would chew out a O-Lineman for getting him killed. He is just to nice of a guy to play QB for the Redskins. We will need to bring a new QB in for next season.

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who cares, we need to lose as many games as we can to make us better in the long run

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[quote=Ruhskins;616581]If Snyder wants to make a statement, he should fire Cerrato and promote Brown as interim GM until the end of the year.

I agree with SFREDSKINS, bench ARE, Heyer, Rabach, and maybe...maybe Moss.[/quote]
No Moss has earned his colors but the rest of that bench list I agree with...Id put Hall back there to return kicks and punts...he was drafted to the falcons for this

Id make Heyer ARE and for that matter during the bye week all of the team wear white to practice..take the emblem off their helmets and tell them they have to earn those back names off the jersey's too

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We need to put Heyer back at RT move Mike Williams to RG. I hope Levi Jones can man the RT spot but not sure who is better than Rabach at center. Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams are our opts. Rabach is a backup at best. Lets try to get Marko Mitchell sometime on the field if the season is done. ARE just use on offense and Betts is a no running bum. Rather see Rock carry the ball on 3rd downs.

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This is our worst team and coaching staff and FO people since Snyder has taken over. Worst than Spurrier. Im sick of it. Snyder needs to fire everybody from top to bottom.

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No bro Spurrier is the worst ever Head Coach for the Redskins.

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here are my thoughts. we suck.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616578]Get rid of ARE and Heyer, bench Rabach.

Start Williams at C, Jones at LT and give Marko Mitchell playing time. Time to see what the young guys have for next year.[/quote]

I made the comment in a post last week that "the ONLY thing" I liked about ARE as a punt returner was that he would catch the ball, well I retract that statement now.

Heyer has cost us dearly all season, he's not NFL ready yet, and he may never be. Two words, Offensive Line pretty much sum-up's the downfall of this team so far. It's just a shame we have to virtually waste an entire season because the most important area of the team has repeatedly been left unchanged. I feel for the players that have fought so hard with only prospects for the future to look foreward to for the next nine games.

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[quote=skins89moss;616826]No bro Spurrier is the worst ever Head Coach for the Redskins.[/quote]

I still think this is worst because I held no expectation Spurrier would succeed. I felt different about Zorn (especially after the 6-2 start) and this team has more talent than Spurrier squads, so my expectations were higher and I believe this team has fallen farther than any other during DS's reign of terror.

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Changing coaches, be it head coach or otherwise, is not the answer.

What I saw last night vs Philly was a team that did not play to win, but instead, was so scared of failure that they tried to play "not to lose". Hope that makes sense.

Campbell is screwed so tight right now that he does not know whether to scratch his watch or wind his ass. It was apparent throughout the game. Several passes, he pulled back, then, tried a diffferent reciever. He was not following his first instinct.

What I saw was a terrible lack of execution and confidence. I don't care if you had the late, great Bill Walsh in the booth calling the plays. Plain and simple the offense did not execute, and no team can win if they cannot execute.

I think it has gotten so bad there, that, it is not that they cannot execute. It is that they are so afraid of failure, that they are actually scaring themselves away from properly executing an offensive series.

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This is probably the most disappointing season I've had in my 20+ years as a Redskins fan. I'm truly embarrassed by the product out there each and every week. That being said, I'd like to see some of the following coming out of the bye week-

-No more ARE on punt returns. He literally brings nothing to that role. Secure hands? Nope, he's muffed and/or been involved in a fumble each of the past 3 games. Explosiveness? Nope, he has zero burst. Fearlessness? Nope, he seems to seek a nice patch of grass to nestle into whenever a defender is within 3 yards of him. He's done, let's get Thomas or Moss into that role full time.

-Youth movement time. You drafted Kevin Barnes, Chad Rinehart and Marko Mitchell for a reason. Quit making excuses and play them. So what if they make mistakes, the veteran starters are making mistakes! The only difference is your veterans are making the same mistakes they've made for YEARS (I'm talking about you still not being able to defend a double move Carlos Rogers) and they're not going to change. Let the kids play so you can see what you have! I'd be 100% fine with ARE being inactive with Mitchell replacing him on the active roster on game days. Will Montgomery is worthless, could Rinehart really be worse than him? If there is any bigger indictment of Cerrato, it's that he's made 16 draft picks over the past 2 years and even the 'best pick'-Chris Horton, is playing to his draft spot this year. See if the kids can play or not.

-I don't see any point in a QB change. I'm not saying this as a JC fan, but there's no reason to put a 38 year old Todd Collins back there and we hadn't heard a sniff about Andre Woodson since we signed him to the practice squad.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;616864]Changing coaches, be it head coach or otherwise, is not the answer.

What I saw last night vs Philly was a team that did not play to win, but instead, was so scared of failure that they tried to play "not to lose". Hope that makes sense.

Campbell is screwed so tight right now that he does not know whether to scratch his watch or wind his ass. It was apparent throughout the game. Several passes, he pulled back, then, tried a diffferent reciever. He was not following his first instinct.

What I saw was a terrible lack of execution and confidence. I don't care if you had the late, great Bill Walsh in the booth calling the plays. Plain and simple the offense did not execute, and no team can win if they cannot execute.

I think it has gotten so bad there, that, it is not that they cannot execute. It is that they are so afraid of failure, that they are actually scaring themselves away from properly executing an offensive series.[/quote]

"Playing not to lose" is a cliche often used when describing the way this team plays football. It's a well known fact that execution is essential in any team sport, and espically football. It's not difficult to see where the failures lie in the lack of execution, failures that can only be corrected with better personnel.

It's neccessary that they be afraid, not afraid of failure, rather afraid of the consequences of failure.

We have a HC that comes on after each depressing loss with a demeanor so simular to the last, his expressions never change. Right now, his team is an extention of that demeanor. Maybe he calls it "staying medium" but at some point in time the HC MUST show some emotion, or feeling of disgust when his team repeatedly turns in less than professional performances.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616578]Get rid of ARE and Heyer, bench Rabach.

Start Williams at C, Jones at LT and give Marko Mitchell playing time. Time to see what the young guys have for next year.[/quote]

All of these. ARE is fine as a slot WR, he made some catches last night, but NO MORE RETURNS.

Rabach should not be starting anyways, BEFORE last night. He better be gone this offseason, he's been costing us points for years.



Also, I would not mind making Sherman Smith the interim HC and make Sherman Lewis the OC and playcaller for the remainder of the year. It was a big improvement over Zorn. Other than contractual reasons, there is no point of keeping Zorn on board.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;616603]Except for that horrible snap by Rabach.[/quote]

WHICH ONE? Geesh.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;616605]EXECUTION MY MAN, you are right on... JC can't make plays he's not a winnable qb in this league[/quote]

No QB can win or even execute without any protection whatsoever.

He has the talent and can win, but not with this line.

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[quote=skins89moss;616697]I agree with most of the statements on this thread. I thought JC would be much improved in his 2nd year of Zorn's WC offense, but he has regressed. It's not all his fault but he needs to secure the ball when he is getting sacked. JC does not have a good O-Line in front of him which means he has to make quick reads, run or throw the ball away. What bothers most about JC is his lack of emotion out on the field. He is so medium I cant tell if we were winning or losing the game. He doesnt show any fire or nor does he show any vocal leadership. It would be shocking if he would chew out a O-Lineman for getting him killed. He is just to nice of a guy to play QB for the Redskins. We will need to bring a new QB in for next season.[/quote]

I feel ya but i laid off the whole emotion thing Eli had that same thing said about him. Now he has a ring so that doesn't bother me any more.