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Go ahead and post them here.

I was pissed that my locality switched to electronic voting. When I asked an assistant how they'd do a recount vote, he told me they couldn't. This screams of fraud to me. Computers are easy to manipulate.

What Sayeth The Mob?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;619922]Go ahead and post them here.

I was pissed that my locality switched to electronic voting. When I asked an assistant how they'd do a recount vote, he told me they couldn't. This screams of fraud to me. Computers are easy to manipulate.

What Sayeth The Mob?[/quote]

Same here. I'm not sure that the people working these places know what can and cannot be done with those computers. They volunteer their time and only have a few hours of training if that. My mother volunteered a few years back and that's what she said.

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I don't live in any of the voting states, but I'll be watching NY-23 closely. Not so much to see who's gonna win, (it should be Hoffman) but to see if it's close.

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My mom volunteers every year. I actually believe all the state and federal election laws mandate an ability to recount electronic votes. That said, as everyone knows, computers can be hacked I believe that they could be manipulated far too easily. My question is who wants to pay all that money, when you can just have the media carry out whatever you say is true.

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I'm just glade that all of these bad commercials will be gone tomorrow.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;619922]Go ahead and post them here.

I was pissed that my locality switched to electronic voting. When I asked an assistant how they'd do a recount vote, he told me they couldn't. This screams of fraud to me. Computers are easy to manipulate.

What Sayeth The Mob?[/quote] Maybe McDonnell wins by such a large margin we have no need for a recount :) [url=http://wills.about.com/od/understandingestatetaxes/a/futureoftax.htm]What is the Future of the Estate Tax?[/url].

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[quote=firstdown;619966]I'm just glade that all of these bad commercials will be gone tomorrow.[/quote]

Second that.

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Off to vote. I don't know if it's electronic, paper or what but I need these people to stop calling me and hanging crap on my door.

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When does Virginia get one of those cool referendums on Medical Weed? "Doctor, watching another season of poor Redskins football I have developed pain in my eyes and my head, what do you suggest?"

BHs by the dozens

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[quote=Chico23231;620011]When does Virginia get one of those cool referendums on Medical Weed? "Doctor, watching another season of poor Redskins football I have developed pain in my eyes and my head, what do you suggest?"

BHs by the dozens[/quote]

That would be awesome! But being a "Commonwealth State" don't hold your breath. I still don't know what that exactly means either even after one of my professors talking about it for a week. I think I might have dozed off.

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I forgot to get my absentee ballot request in on time, ugh.

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[quote=budw38;619968]Maybe McDonnell wins by such a large margin we have no need for a recount :) [URL="http://wills.about.com/od/understandingestatetaxes/a/futureoftax.htm"]What is the Future of the Estate Tax?[/URL].[/quote]
Well he hit that large margin. I was very surprised and even people in N. Va turned out in bigger numbers for McDonnell maybe there is some hope for them.

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NJ and VA finally waking up.

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Nancy Pelosi is waking up to an additional caucus member from NY.

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[quote=Buster;620361]NJ and VA finally waking up.[/quote]

Just 9 months ago all the liberals here said that the conservative movement was dead. I said the problem was that we got away from the conservative movement and I think over the next year we will see that to be true.

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I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.

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[quote=Chico23231;620382]I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. [B]What happened to[/B] [B]the [/B]John Warners, Dolyes, [B]Reagans of this party[/B]...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.[/quote]

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/32802-more-world-government.html#post612152[/URL]

:laughing2

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Congrats to the Repubs. I was so indifferent about this race. I think overall this shows that the people arent too happy with Obama and Dems.

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[quote=Chico23231;620382]I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.[/quote]


Don't worry. If you like John McCain, John Warner, and Eric Cantor, there is a place for you. It's called the Democrat Party. They have a socially conservative / socialist economic wing to their party. You might find some friends there.

I'm not trying to be cute either. There's no use in having all of your eggs in one basket. I'd vote for an independent or a libertarian if there was one worth voting for. If you want a socially liberal / fiscally conservative candidate, be a libertarian.

The Republicans are who they are.

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[quote=Chico23231;620382]I wont come back to the Republican Party until the vocal leaders like Limbaugh and Beck are silenced or somehow the party distances themselves. A Hypocrite drug addict and a guy who literally crys on TV...pathetic. Beck is really got to go. What happened to the John Warners, Dolyes, Reagans of this party...Cantor does give me hope...but dont look for my vote until I start seeing actions and actual ideas instead of constant complaining and whinning. All I got for leadership is Palin? horrible, Bush Vol 2 was worse than his father...No leadership has killed the conservative movement, used to be the best organized and could communicate their message much better than the Dems.[/quote]

Never knew Limbaugh and Beck ran the party and last time I checked they have all the right to say what they want. Do you now support the Dems? If you watched any of the race in NY they went after the Rep. running there and through their support behind the conservative party guy (forgot his name).

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Honestly, I think last night's results were a toss up. Losing a NJ and VA were a blow to the Dems, but it's more of a media story than any clear indictment of Obama. I know people will spin it a lot of different ways, but exit polling and low voter turnout suggest otherwise.

The results in NY-23, I believe, dealt a much more damaging blow to the Republican party than either gubernatorial lost. You had the GOP establishment publicly endorse DeDe Scozzafava, only to back away from her after Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, Tim Pawlenty and few others decided they wanted to endorse Doug Hoffman, a conservative. Hoffman, who doesn't live in the district, received less than five percent of his donations from people living in the district, nor could he answer one solid question when interviewed about the very seat he was running for, was an embarrassment to begin with.

The rest is history.

For the first time in over 100 years a Democrat holds the seat in NY-23. Mind boggling if you think about. The GOP had better figure out how to get a hold of Palin, Limbaugh and Beck fast. Sure free speech is one thing, but when you're a publicly elected official you ought to have the common sense and political savvy to stay out of local races that you know nothing about. Especially if a Republican has held the seat for over a century.

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[quote=12thMan;620418]Honestly, I think last night's results were a toss up. Losing a NJ and VA were a blow to the Dems, but it's more of a media story than any clear indictment of Obama. I know people will spin it a lot of different ways, but exit polling and low voter turnout suggest otherwise.

The results in NY-23, I believe, dealt a much more damaging blow to the Republican party than either gubernatorial lost. You had the GOP establishment publicly endorse DeDe Scozzafava, only to back away from her after Sarah Palin, Fred Thompson, Tim Pawlenty and few others decided they wanted to endorse Doug Hoffman, a conservative. Hoffman, who doesn't live in the district, received less than five percent of his donations from people living in the district, nor could he answer one solid question when interviewed about the very seat he was running for, was an embarrassment to begin with.

The rest is history.

For the first time in over 100 years a Democrat holds the seat in NY-23. Mind boggling if you think about. The GOP had better figure out how to get a hold of Palin, Limbaugh and Beck fast. Sure free speech is one thing, but when you're a publicly elected official you ought to have the common sense and political savvy to stay out of local races that you know nothing about. Especially if a Republican has held the seat for over a century.[/quote]
See I see that as a success for the conservatives because DeDe was more liberal then anything else but still she got the backing of the Rep. party. She had very little support of the voters and I have no idea what the Rep. party thought when they supported her. I think it sent a wake up call to the party about who they support and it was clear from the people they will not stand for that joke of a person.

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[quote=firstdown;620434]See I see that as a success for the conservatives because DeDe was more liberal then anything else but still she got the backing of the Rep. party. She had very little support of the voters and I have no idea what the Rep. party thought when they supported her. I think it sent a wake up call to the party about who they support and it was clear from the people they will not stand for that joke of a person.[/quote]

Bro, that strategy is simply flawed. You can't effect policy if you're not at the table. Who gives a shit what message you're sending? DeDe probably would have won had she stayed in the race. Yeah, she's a liberal Republican, if there's such a thing. But guess what, now you guys lost the seat altogether. So how is that a positive? And if DeDe was joke, what does it say about Doug Hoffman who lost the seat for the first time in over 100 years? Fail big time.

The message here, don't meddle with local politics. The political climate of NY-23 is much different than, let's say, Dade county. You just can't apply this cookie cutter conservatism to every race accross the board and expect voters to respond because they fall into the conservative camp. It's a losing strategy. But hey, go for it.

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I would take a Blue Dog over any Republican. It's a hard pill but if you don't have a majority you can't implement your agenda. Hardcore Conservatives fail to see that and happy about that. Viva la stupid.

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[quote=saden1;620440]I would take a Blue Dog over any Republican. It's a hard pill but if you don't have a majority you can't implement your agenda. Hardcore Conservatives fail to see that and happy about that. Viva la stupid.[/quote]

Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level. I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620443]Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level. I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.[/quote]

That's actually a good question. May ask you, what are the hardcore conservative agenda items? Outside of the social issues, I'm not familiar with many, other than tax cuts and smaller government.

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Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620443][B]Name some hardcore conservative agenda items that were implemented when the Republicans were in power on a national level.[/B] I can't really think of any besides tax cuts.

I'm more than happy to have a Conservative as our Governor. You can spin it any way you want. At the end of the day we won this time.

Perhaps we can lower the business taxes and get even more of the businesses that are fleeing from the North. If we can drill off our coast we'll have cheap oil that we don't have to buy from anyone and get money back from what we sell, just like in Alaska.[/quote]

None of significance because no one is as stupid as a hardcore conservatives. You will never see that agenda see daylight and reason is because no Republican is going to stick out his/her neck for it. The numbers aren't simply there and allusion to that is all smokes and mirrors. For a big country with so many tugging vested interest the idea of a small government is impossible.

You won VA, I'll give you that...NJ is a tried and true blue state so I'm not worried about that. We really won NY 23 which means Dems have one more solid blue guy in the house. Like 12thMan said, it's a toss-up.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;620448]Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.[/quote]

I think there's an argument to made that both parties adhere to socialist tenets more than they are willing to admit.

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[quote=saden1;620450]None of significance because no one is as stupid as a hardcore conservatives. [B]You will never see that agenda see daylight and reason is because no Republican is going to stick out his/her neck for it. The numbers aren't simply there and allusion to that is all smokes and mirrors[/B]. For a big country with so many tugging vested interest the idea of a small government is impossible.

You won VA, I'll give you that...NJ is a tried and true blue state so I'm not worried about that. We really won NY 23 which means Dems have one more solid blue guy in the house. Like 12thMan said, it's a toss-up.[/quote]

Your liberal agenda has again clouded your vision.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1980]United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1984]United States presidential election, 1984 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

No other president has won like this in recent history.

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It's worth noting that we won two seats last night. One in Cali and the one in NY-23. The Dems also plucked the mayoral race in Charlotte, N.C. last night.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;620448]Smaller government means what? Defund schools, hospitals, and museums. Then spend all the surplus money on millitary contractors and police. Seems liek the same ole bigger government aka wealth redistribution to me. Instead of building the social infrastructure we send billions to millitary contractors. Find me a real contrast. Both Democrats and Republicans are socilaists, learned that from tramp (trample the elderly). both want huge deficits and bigger govermnment i.e. Ronald Reagan.[/quote]

Yes, you are right. Smaller Federal government means getting rid of the Department of Education. Seeing how they're doing such a wonderful job now, I'm all for it. I don't see why it's the tax payer's responsibility to fund "Art"?

I'm not too sure about government run hospitals. I wouldn't say VA hospitals have a great reputation from all of the news lately, but I think this has been corrected for the most part. Some are the best in the world from what I've heard.

Yes, both parties are militaristic. Both parties use our military to advance the agenda of Corporate America.

I would disagree on the local level. Many local politicians disavow themselves from their national party, yet reap the rewards or penalties of having a D or an R next to their name. They have to get results.

On the Federal level they're nothing but pigs at a trough. You don't hear the left screaming about the war now that Jorge Bush is out of office. That's because they're getting that contractor money now. Most of them don't give a shit about American soldiers.

I didn't like Tim Kaine as my governor nor did I like Mark Warner. Both though were alright at their jobs. Tim Kaine is very different as the governor than he is as the head of the DNC. He cuts and dodges the liberal agenda when he speaks to us. He knows he'd piss off the public and ruin the chances for the next D.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620458]Your liberal agenda has again clouded your vision.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1980"]United States presidential election, 1980 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1984"]United States presidential election, 1984 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/URL]

No president has won like this in recent history.[/quote]

He did raise taxes out of necessity and spent a shit load on his war toys without actually paying for them...that's really hard core conservative agenda without the fiscal restraint and limited government part. You're not walking, you're crawling. You should know better, being on your knees is conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman.

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[quote=saden1;620476]He did raise taxes out of necessity and spent a shit load on his war toys without actually paying for them...that's really hard core conservative agenda without the fiscal restraint and limited government part. You're not walking, you're crawling. You should know better, [B]being on your knees is conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman[/B].[/quote]

What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620489]What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a [SIZE=3]hateful breed.[/[/SIZE]quote]
Thats because you want to defund their crappy art that no one will buy so they force the goverment to support the crap.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620489]What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.[/quote]

Why do conservatives constantly hearken back to the Reagan era to prove their point about the enduring quality of conservative principles. Reagan was for his time. Lincoln was for his time. So forth and so on. Today we live in a completely different climate. Demographically the country has evolved and continues to do so. The globe has changed for that matter. Politics are more interconnected and simply require more compromise on some key issues. I guess what I'm saying is the world isn't as black and white as it was, say, twenty or thirty years ago.

My main issue if with Republicans, and some liberals for that matter, they tend to view the world in terms of absolutes. They don't debate shades of grey, only black and white.

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[quote=12thMan;620499]Why do conservatives constantly hearken back to the Reagan era to prove their point about the enduring quality of conservative principles. Reagan was for his time. Lincoln was for his time. So forth and so on. Today we live in a completely different climate. Demographically the country has evolved and continues to do so. The globe has changed for that matter. Politics are more interconnected and simply require more compromise on some key issues. I guess what I'm saying is the world isn't as black and white as it was, say, twenty or thirty years ago.

My main issue if with Republicans, and some liberals for that matter, they tend to view the world in terms of absolutes. They don't debate shades of grey, only black and white.[/quote]

Never hear me bring up RR and if you mix black and white you get gray.

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And let me say that Reagan's magic wasn't his policies. It was his ability to listen to the other side. He didn't give conservatism a bad name. He was a respectful man and honored the office. Sure he made some missteps, but every president does.

Where do you think Blue Dog Dems originated from? It was Reagan. Yet today they identify with and caucus with Democrats. Modern day Republicans and conservatives found no room for them in the party.

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[quote=firstdown;620501]Never hear me bring up RR and if you mix black and white you get gray.[/quote]

Well maybe you don't, but everytime I listen to Sean Hannity, Beck, ummm Limbaugh and some here even, they constantly bring up Reagan.

The key word in your response is "mix".

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;620489]What you said was, "that no one could run and win on Conservative principles". You are wrong. Someone did, and won by landslides. Congress controls spending. Reagan's Congress was Democratic. Clinton didn't get to put in his commie agenda. His Congress was Republican.

Name some expensive toys Congress didn't pay for. The last time I checked the Missouri was taken out of moth balls. SDI was never implemented? At the time the US and the USSR were reducing their nuclear stock piles?

You're a real piece of work Saden. You liberals sure are a hateful breed.[/quote]

What I said was no one will run and win on a [B][I]hardcore[/I] [/B][B]conservatives[/B] platform this day an age... you know, kick the illegals all out of the country sort of principles, go back to the gold standards stupidity, get rid social programs, etc, etc. I was skeptical of your reading skills, now I'm even more skeptical of you comprehension skills.

Freeze, the jig is up, put your hands up buster or I'll shoot!