Snyder Consulting With Haynesworth
 

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What's your opinion of Snyder reaching out to the people on the execution side of our team?

I personally feel this is somewhat strange. I know I've been hardcore in the Anti-Snyder corner so my perspective could be biased but should the highest level executive in our organization be cavorting and seeking consultation from the lowest level, per field play?

Also, why Haynesworth?...Why not any other player, or all players?...Does Haynesworth know more about football than anyone else or has he acrued experience on our team to be the spokesperson for our squad?


A lot of questions for me with this one but I don't know if I'm seeing the right answers.

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Snyder to AH: I'm going to give you 40 mil guaranteed.

Press to AH: Why does your team suck so bad?

AH to Press: IDK he just wants to win.

DH to Press: The build of this team sucks

+1 to DH for telling it like it is.

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This isn't anything new, he regularly talks with players.

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As much as I support DS, this is the one area I think he needs to stop this part. I don't think he will, and as always it's his team, but, there are ways to get the pulse without creating a new CP. Although this probably does start the end of CP's connection with DS.

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I don't mind Snyder talking with players, but if he wants to ask anyone on our team an opinion on the team's direction, I'm much rather have him doing 30 minute sitdowns with guys like London Fletcher and Chris Samuels. Not a guy who's been a Redskin for all of 7 games.

Albert Haynesworth is a beast who knows what to do on the field, but he's no consigliere or liasion. I wouldn't look to Al as a guy who can be the barometer of this team.

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I'm refraining opinion until I'm sober.

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[quote=tryfuhl;621349]I'm refraining opinion until I'm sober.[/quote]

You spelled everything right so you must not be too housed right now :laughing-

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[quote=Mattyk72;621340]This isn't anything new, he regularly talks with players.[/quote]

He's never regularly spoken to Haynesworth before this year so this has to be new.

I think it shows the priority of where he seeks his consul.

1. Highest paid free agents
2. Players who re-sign every year
3. People who have day jobs in NASCAR
4. People who have eyes the size of dinner plates
5. People who have the attention capacity to regularly call geriatric bingo
6. The Tootsie Pop Owl
7. Sonny The Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs Bird
8. A very short sock puppet that wears a dark suit and sunglasses

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Typically the owner would be asking these questions to the GM or coach. This is another example of how the lines of communication are screwed up in the organization right now.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621351][B]He's never regularly spoken to Haynesworth before this year so this has to be new.[/B]

I think it shows the priority of where he seeks his consul.

1. Highest paid free agents
2. Players who re-sign every year
3. People who have day jobs in NASCAR
4. People who have eyes the size of dinner plates
5. People who have the attention capacity to regularly call geriatric bingo
6. The Tootsie Pop Owl
7. Sonny The Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs Bird
8. A very short sock puppet that wears a dark suit and sunglasses[/quote]

He would have probably broken a rule or two if he regularly spoke with Haynesworth before this year because Haynesworth wasn't on this team. Now that would be odd, and out of the ordinary.

As it is...not odd, or out of the ordinary for DS.

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[quote=GMScud;621348]I don't mind Snyder talking with players, but if he wants to ask anyone on our team an opinion on the team's direction, I'm much rather have him doing 30 minute sitdowns with guys like London Fletcher and Chris Samuels. Not a guy who's been a Redskin for all of 7 games.

Albert Haynesworth is a beast who knows what to do on the field, but he's no consigliere or liasion. I wouldn't look to Al as a guy who can be the barometer of this team.[/quote]
If I were DS and I wanted to get a "fresh slant" on a continuing problem, I would ask.....the new guy

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I don't know about you guys but this article is very telling on the problems within this organization...Snyder wants to get the right players to win, no mention of good coaching and good front office work. What an idiot, he has to understand that this is an organization and the players are only a part of the organization, unless you have good, veteran direction coming from above, you're doomed to continue this cycle of paying great players to come and languish on a bad team.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621351]He's never regularly spoken to Haynesworth before this year so this has to be new.

I think it shows the priority of where he seeks his consul.

1. Highest paid free agents
2. Players who re-sign every year
3. People who have day jobs in NASCAR
4. People who have eyes the size of dinner plates
5. People who have the attention capacity to regularly call geriatric bingo
6. The Tootsie Pop Owl
7. Sonny The Cuckoo For Cocoa Puffs Bird
8. A very short sock puppet that wears a dark suit and sunglasses[/quote]

:lol::lol:

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This is why it is important for Snyder to hire a good Team President, and allow the President to hire a good GM, head coach, etc...

The best thing Snyder can do is surround himself with great football minds and learn from them. If he truly wants to win and have a championship team again, he's going to have to humble himself and realize that he needs help in the front office. Vinny isn't the right guy for the job.

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[quote=GMScud;621348]I don't mind Snyder talking with players, but if he wants to ask anyone on our team an opinion on the team's direction, I'm much rather have him doing 30 minute sitdowns with guys like London Fletcher and Chris Samuels. Not a guy who's been a Redskin for all of 7 games.

Albert Haynesworth is a beast who knows what to do on the field, but he's no consigliere or liasion. I wouldn't look to Al as a guy who can be the barometer of this team.[/quote]

We don't know if he does or doesn't consult those other players also (I'd guess he does) about the team. It's not a big deal IMO.

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That's a rather odd question coming from a hands on owner like Snyder. As deeply involved in the team as he is, having to ask a player what we need to do to win makes me wonder why he does not know the answer already.

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Well it's aid that DS still consults with Joe Gibbs often, he has a head coach, he hired another consultant FOR the head coach. Made that consultant the offensive play caller.

Now he is asking AH. What's next?

I wonder if DS has one of those "magic 8 balls" on his desk.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;621383]Well it's aid that DS still consults with Joe Gibbs often, he has a head coach, he hired another consultant FOR the head coach. Made that consultant the offensive play caller.

Now he is asking AH. What's next?

[B]I wonder if DS has one of those "magic 8 balls" on his desk[/B].[/quote]

probably does and every side says YES

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I think the article is important. It's a glimpse of Snyder "playing" w/ his shiny new toy, similar to how he buddied-up to CP years ago. I doubt Snyder really expects phat Al to have a plan to turn the team into a winner (I mean my God if he were serious in this inquiry Snyder must be the most naive owner in the league), because Albert knows nothing about building a roster and motivating that roster to leave everything on the field and execute to perfection...Albert knows about playing his position.

...the story is just one more reminder of what Snyder refuses to do: hire the best GM available to finally do something w/ this franchise and get completely out of the way. He should be having those 30 min conversations w/ the GM, not phat Al. Everything I hear makes me think Snyder is just further away from doing the right things. I won't be surprised if he goes another 10 years as the biggest failure in football, and at that point who knows if he'll see fit to ever change.

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[quote=The Goat;621406]I think the article is important. It's a glimpse of Snyder "playing" w/ his shiny new toy, similar to how he buddied-up to CP years ago. I doubt Snyder really expects phat Al to have a plan to turn the team into a winner (I mean my God if he were serious in this inquiry Snyder must be the most naive owner in the league), because Albert knows nothing about building a roster and motivating that roster to leave everything on the field and execute to perfection...Albert knows about playing his position.

...the story is just one more reminder of what Snyder refuses to do: hire the best GM available to finally do something w/ this franchise and get completely out of the way. He should be having those 30 min conversations w/ the GM, not phat Al. Everything I hear makes me think Snyder is just further away from doing the right things. I won't be surprised if he goes another 10 years as the biggest failure in football, and at that point who knows if he'll see fit to ever change.[/quote]

That's the same impression I got when I read it. It doesn't feel like things are heading in a direction of positive change. I wish I was hearing different stories than I am.

In my personal opinion, I see no reason that Vinny Cerrato can't be let go right now. If Snyder is that concerned and with fan sentiment like he is portraying, he could make that one move and shut fans up until the offseason where he hires a successor.


I don't think everything that can be done is being done at this point. Snyder is noted for doing that with our roster so why can't this be done with our front office?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;621383]I wonder if DS has one of those "magic 8 balls" on his desk.[/quote]


yes it even has a name- Vinny Cerrato

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from the lips of fat albert "I don't know what [critics] have against [B][U]Mr. Snyder[/U][/B]. But as far as I know, I mean, he's a guy who has the money and he wants to win and [B][U]he'll do almost anything [/U][/B]to win."

i think that says alot it self

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I am glad that he is at least asking players that question instead of his GM. AH did play on a very good Titans team last year so maybe that has something to do with it

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[quote=Paintrain;621377]We don't know if he does or doesn't consult those other players also (I'd guess he does) about the team. It's not a big deal IMO.[/quote]

How dare you post something rational. :spank:

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To me, Snyder asking Haynesworth for solutions is like a principal asking a student what the curriculum for the year should be.

The students would only give you valuable advice if you both are academically on the same grade level.

Thankfully for the American educational system, you need to acquire a higher level of learning than the people you are teaching.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621469]
Thankfully for the American educational system, you need to acquire a higher level of learning than the people you are teaching.[/quote]

depends what county you are in

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621469]To me, Snyder asking Haynesworth for solutions is like a principal asking a student what the curriculum for the year should be.

The students would only give you valuable advice if you both are academically on the same grade level.

Thankfully for the American educational system, you need to acquire a higher level of learning than the people you are teaching.[/quote]

Maybe I am taking your statement the wrong way, if so sorry. Isn't one big complaint about Snyder that he doesn't KNOW football. I am sure he never played DT, so from that viewpoint DS would be the junior and AH the teacher.
Overall though I still would rather he keep his comments and discussions at the coach/and higher level. It just distracts.

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did anyone see nbc4 sports during the 6 oclock hour yesterday, it showed a video of practice where snyder was in redskins black tshirt and a pair of redskins gym shorts standing next to portis in shoulder pads talking about god knows what, it was just weird seeing him out there like he was a back coach talking to portis, i really don't like that guy maybe you hadn't heard

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;621489]Maybe I am taking your statement the wrong way, if so sorry. Isn't one big complaint about Snyder that he doesn't KNOW football. I am sure he never played DT, so from that viewpoint DS would be the junior and AH the teacher.
Overall though I still would rather he keep his comments and discussions at the coach/and higher level. It just distracts.[/quote]


The analogy is supposed to point to how things should be.

In our case though Snyder is the principal who doesn't have a teaching degree or a masters of any kind. His best solution is to ask around to see if someone knows what the hell their doing because he sure doesn't.


Just the fact that he is asking players about their opinion on this situation is physical evidence enough that he has NO CLUE in dealing with football operations. Someone who may have personal knowledge is an actual GM or Team President who has vast experience to make decisions like these...Check into it Dan!

And don't surround yourself with fools because people far away won't be able to tell who is who.

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this was probably just a casual conversation thrown way outta proportion

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[quote=GMScud;621348][B]I don't mind Snyder talking with players, but if he wants to ask anyone on our team an opinion on the team's direction, I'm much rather have him doing 30 minute sitdowns with guys like London Fletcher and Chris Samuels.[/B] Not a guy who's been a Redskin for all of 7 games.

Albert Haynesworth is a beast who knows what to do on the field, but he's no consigliere or liasion. I wouldn't look to Al as a guy who can be the barometer of this team.[/quote]Agreed. Perhaps Snyder's motivation to approach AH was that he played for a winner as recently as last season, and Snyder wanted to know what's missing from this team playing at that level. I just hope that Haynesworth gave an honest assessment of the OL deficiencies.

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He does this all the time. He buddies up to the players which completely undermines the abilty of the coach to impose any kind of discipline.

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[quote=70Chip;621522]He does this all the time. He buddies up to the players which completely undermines the abilty of the coach to impose any kind of discipline.[/quote]

Yeah...for being such a business man he certainly shows that he cares little about the heirarchy of authority.

It may sound frivoluous but it does have a place in well run organizations. I'm not saying that Snyder can't speak with players at all but the topics they're speaking about should be off limits under these circumstances.

Also any NFL player has biased interests. Isn't this league known for being run like 'a business' and everyone looking out for themselves? Haynesworth's business is himself and who's to say that he isn't giving advice that caters to his career.


Simple point being...Snyder needs to be speaking with someone who has experience and solely the Redskins interest at heart.

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Well Haynesworth was in a successful winning playoff team last year. LOL.

Seriously, this really doesn't matter. If he speaks to players, oh well.

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[quote=SKINS73;621354]Typically the owner would be asking these questions to the GM or coach. This is another example of how the lines of communication are screwed up in the organization right now.[/quote]

Exactly, DS is a truely a loser if expects to get answers from players. My only question for DS, is why not hire a real GM?

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Nothing wrong with him consulting with haynesworth. He hasnt been the same player this year, similar to jason taylor last year, archuleta 3 years ago, etc. Our defensive free agents recently have not lived up to expectation, the only ones i can think of who have are london fletcher and maybe deangelo hall.

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Maybe DS was meeting with AH to learn about the Titans coach who is supposed to be let go after the season. Maybe DS was wondering if he could work with him again? No one knows what the meeting was about.

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What does Snyder get out of this. In the article AH says Snyder is just a fan that wants to win. He should act more like an owner than a fan. He just doesnt seem to realize how much damage he is doing by not hiring the right personel. But on asking AH about what he needs to do to win, I dont see anything wrong with that if he is asking the right questions. Maybe if he opens his eyes and stops budding up to the players so much we might get some type chain of command.

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[quote=Ruhskins;621559]Well Haynesworth was in a successful winning playoff team last year. LOL.

[B]Seriously, this really doesn't matter[/B]. If he speaks to players, oh well.[/quote]

Well, if people want to gain insight into what to change in this organization, this is a great example.

Snyder is clearly showing he has no clue with what to do and he is seeking advice from the likes of players who all have ZERO coaching or general managing experience. Remember players usually start off their coaches careers after their playing careers. They don't make an impact in coaching ranks until they've gained some applicable experience a la Mike Singletary.


If you're quickly dismissing this as just a conversation then you're failing to see the overall answer to the question "What is wrong with the Redskins"...simple answer: Dan Snyder doing more than he needs to as owner.

Just hire an NFL esteemed GM and give him FULL AUTHORITY AND ACCOUNTABILTY and this fiasco is over.

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[quote=SBXVII;621569]Maybe DS was meeting with AH to learn about the Titans coach who is supposed to be let go after the season. Maybe DS was wondering if he could work with him again? [B]No one knows what the meeting was about[/B].[/quote]

Per the article:
[COLOR=darkred]"They're usually 15-, 20-, even 30-minute conversations sometimes, depends on what the day is looking like. You know, he's just a big fan. He's a guy who will do anything to get the right players and to win. That's what he wants to do, he wants to win. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=darkred][B]"Most of all our conversations start out, like 'How can we win? Can we win this week? What do you think?' and things like that."[/B][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Just as you are saying we can't guess at what they are talking about, we know factually what they are talking about. He clearly says that they are speaking about potential solutions to fixing the Redskins problems. That topic is stated in this article. Any other topic of conversation is not listed so can not be factually discussed.[/COLOR]

This was a factual conversation that took place between Snyder and Haynesworth, per Haynesworth's account.

That can be discussed as fact. Any other side conversations that people are bringing up as potentially being discussed is not factual and is subject to speculation.


This article though clearly states that they've previously and continually discuss the problems of the Redskins and potential solutions.