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I have been going back and forth with this and I've been trying to analyze what is actually the correct way to draft. Vinny says that he stays true to his draft board and whoever is there and the highest on the board he drafts them. So that could explain the why we haven't drafted an o-lineman since Samuels in the first round. My question is does the Pats, Steelers, Colts & others successful teams draft like that or do they draft need?

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I feel like this requires a delicate balance. Luckily for us, every position is a need -- so best player available. Personally, I think you need to weigh both best player and what you have at that position. If you're really deep at say LB, probably not a great idea to draft a LB with your first pick. But if you need both OT and RB, look at the better overall player and go for it.

That's my two cents.

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I prefer drafting based on need. When you have an organizational plan and a system in place for the long term then assessing your needs and finding the right players to fit that need is much easier IMO. When you look at Pittsburgh or Indy or Philly, they have their systems and when they have needs identified they make the neccessary moves to address that need.

Rather than drafting the 'best player' regardless of scheme or system fit gives you a bunch of square pegs in round holes or as it's more commonly known, the 2009 Washington Redskins.

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we draft for need....in that we need a lot more picks. Trade the first round pick and pick up a lower 1st rounder and a couple of 2nd's.

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[quote=Paintrain;621398]I prefer drafting based on need. When you have an organizational plan and a system in place for the long term then assessing your needs and finding the right players to fit that need is much easier IMO. When you look at Pittsburgh or Indy or Philly, they have their systems and when they have needs identified they make the neccessary moves to address that need.

Rather than drafting the 'best player' regardless of scheme or system fit gives you a bunch of square pegs in round holes or as it's more commonly known, the 2009 Washington Redskins.[/quote]

agree 100%

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It really depends on your needs, position in the draft, who's still available, round, etc etc etc. But when you have guys that know everything and have an arrogant approach and opinion of their method, meh

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We´re the redskins. We draft neither need nor best available. We just pick a WR.

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All I know is we have to draft Toby Gerhart from Stanford somehow, this guy is an animal. They are 1/2 way through the 2nd quarter and he has 90 yards and 2 td's against Oregon, that's 15 td's so far this year in the Pac10.

Update* 38 Rush, 222 yds 3 TDs beating Oregon, the team that kicked USC's butt last week 51-42.

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It is a mix. You try to take the best player available, but if it is close in talent and the player who u need his positions is a little bit worse, take him. Can't ignore positions, but talent is the biggest factor. For example, we inevitably will draft at least one O-lineman this year (no guarantee where though).

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BPA is a myth.....some people say its a mix but really, if your picking the BPA at a position of need, arent you really drafting on need?

very rarely does a team pick the BPA solely because they are the best player available.....you can point out teams like detroit when they drafted WRs 4 years in a row in the first round.....but that only happens once in a blue moon.....teams draft based on need and usually only on needs

you guys need to focus on offensive linemen and a better QB....there are a couple QBs coming out but if you have a shot at a kristofer o'dowd type of player, id jump at the opportunity...QB can wait because you guys already have a young QB waiting for his shot in the NFL

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;621427]All I know is we have to draft Toby Gerhart from Stanford somehow, this guy is an animal. They are 1/2 way through the 2nd quarter and he has 90 yards and 2 td's against Oregon, that's 15 td's so far this year in the Pac10.

Update* 38 Rush, 222 yds 3 TDs beating Oregon, the team that kicked USC's butt last week 51-42.[/quote]

From what I've seen, he'd be great in the b&g. He reminds me of Riggo.

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[quote=Lotus;621467]From what I've seen, he'd be great in the b&g. He reminds me of Riggo.[/quote]

He was awesome today, he was exhausted by the end of the game. What I like about this guy is that he is humble and has a huge heart, a true warrior, he would a step in the right direction.

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any of you guys see Javhid Best land in the endzone? And to follow up with another question....have you ever seen the people put a sheet over the person? Wasn't that wierd...I had to squint my eyes to make sure it wasn't covering up his face...that was really scary stuff...glad to hear he is moving all his amenities.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;621427]All I know is we have to draft Toby Gerhart from Stanford somehow, this guy is an animal. They are 1/2 way through the 2nd quarter and he has 90 yards and 2 td's against Oregon, that's 15 td's so far this year in the Pac10.

Update* 38 Rush, 222 yds 3 TDs beating Oregon, the team that kicked USC's butt last week 51-42.[/quote]

Toby Gerhart went to Norco High School several minutes from where I live. Thats Norco California. He will be a RB in the NFL I say his best bet is will be a FB with RB capability. Just my opinion.

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You draft offensive linemen, the more the merrier.

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Do You Draft for Need or Best Player Available?

Take a look at this team's record and the answer should be apparent to anyone with half a brain.

You draft the best player available of course, IE: CBs, WRs, and TE / FBs.

Sheeyut! Everyone knows that!

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;622413]Do You Draft for Need or Best Player Available?

Take a look at this team's record and the answer should be apparent to anyone with half a brain.

You draft the best player available of course, IE: CBs, WRs, and TE / FBs.

Sheeyut! Everyone knows that![/quote]
Punter ,,, Punter :)

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You draft the best player for your need...so you basically draft for need

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Well if your the redskins, you draft the best player available and play them out of position.

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[quote=WaldSkins;622531]Well if your the redskins, you draft the best player available and play them out of position.[/quote]

Brilliant!

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Washington Redskins Team Needs (updated on 3/10/2010)

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/team-needs/NFC?tag=pageRow;pageContainer]2010 Draft Team Needs - CBSSports.com[/url]

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;621395]I have been going back and forth with this and I've been trying to analyze what is actually the correct way to draft. Vinny says that he stays true to his draft board and whoever is there and the highest on the board he drafts them. So that could explain the why we haven't drafted an o-lineman since Samuels in the first round. My question is does the Pats, Steelers, Colts & others successful teams draft like that or do they draft need?[/quote]

To not draft a LT is ignorant.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;673455]Washington Redskins Team Needs (updated on 3/10/2010)

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/team-needs/NFC?tag=pageRow;pageContainer]2010 Draft Team Needs - CBSSports.com[/url][/quote]

thats depressing but pretty accurate

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It depends on the talent level of the team whether need or BPA carries greater weight. For the Redskins, the need at O-line is so great that need overrides BPA, for the most part. It's embarassing when you're O-line gets dominated by a Giants D-line that WASN'T EVEN PLAYING AT A REALLY HIGH LEVEL and was dominated by Carolina's o-linemen, who also had a few depth players starting.

Vinny's an idiot because Olinemen are never BPAs compared to skill position players. His view of BPA is skewed.

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Good question RW. There has been so much talk generated on this subject over the years and TBH I prefer either way depending on the circumstances. A lot depends on how great the need for a particular player vs. the player (s) available at the time of selcetion. I would be willing to support either theory.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;673466]It depends on the talent level of the team whether need or BPA carries greater weight. For the Redskins, the need at O-line is so great that need overrides BPA, for the most part. It's embarassing when you're O-line gets dominated by a Giants D-line that WASN'T EVEN PLAYING AT A REALLY HIGH LEVEL and was dominated by Carolina's o-linemen, who also had a few depth players starting.

[B]Vinny's an idiot because Olinemen are never BPAs compared to skill position players[/B]. His view of BPA is skewed.[/quote]

Exactly. For too long this organization has looked at the O-Line as a position that almost anyone can play, be it tackle, guard, or center. I think the last couple of years has proven that wrong. At least thinking you can play it [B]well[/B].

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Lucky for us we have needs at about every position

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;621425]We´re the redskins. We draft neither need nor best available. We just pick a WR.[/quote]


Hey, it worked for Detroit!!

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I think drafting BPA is a luxury, something that franchises can do when they have a good deal of talent throughout the roster. Right now I think the Saints, Vikings, Jets and Ravens probably have that luxury, and some other teams are debatable. On the other end of the spectrum you've got a team like our Skins that have such a lack of talent at particular positions (such as oline) drafting for need is a must.

Totally agree w/ SirClintonPortis above Vinny never really drafted BPA...he clearly valued "skill" players over and above lineman. I think some of that silliness still lingers in our draft discussions. We got too used to thinking about what if we could draft this one special player at CB, S, WR or whatever instead of solidifying a crumbling line. I expect Shanny/Allen to bring sanity back to us...I think we draft one or two lineman in the 1st and 2nd round.

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obviously i think we need to draft a LT, that happens to be our biggest need as well. I do believe given our organization and where it stands as far as being competative, that we need to draft for need. Now, if we are Philly, NE, Indy they have the luxory of drafting the best player available.

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As is with everything these days hybrid is the way to go. I think the smarter GM's put together a draft board based on pure talent. Like how go so and so is a tackle compared to how good of a cornerback another guy is. Basically grades that translate across position. If you have a position of need and the grade is only so many points below the true best player available you draft the guy for need.

I think Bruce Allen put it best. "We're going to draft the best player for the Redskins." Is that the best player available? "Usually it's the best player available."

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[quote=budw38;622416]Punter ,,, Punter :)[/quote]

Got-a-get that punter!

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[quote=53Fan;673468]Exactly. For too long this organization has looked at the O-Line as a position that almost anyone can play, be it tackle, guard, or center. I think the last couple of years has proven that wrong. At least thinking you can play it [B]well[/B].[/quote]

The last decade we have Chris Samuels, Derrick Dockery, Jim Molinaro, Reggie Coleman and Chad Rinehart to show for our efforts on the offensive line. Two consistent starters over a decade....That's just not getting it done.

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I forgot about Jeff Grau and Kelly Lefotu who were both 7th rouders, which means they came very close to not being drafted at all.

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This could be viewed as a positive or a negative but I think we could pick best available in almost every spot because we need just about every position.

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I believe that only applies later in round one until the fourth. When prospects start to 'fall' thier value increases. Higher in the draft is moot to say a Clausen is 'better' than an Okung or a Berry

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Here's what I think is a very good video of Mike Mayock discussing the risks of drafting a QB in the first round. It shows up to date records of the first QB's taken the last few years and has a small segment on Clausen.

[url=http://www.nfl.com./videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d816ebbd6/Risk-of-drafting-a-QB]NFL Videos: Risk of drafting a QB[/url]

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First pick (assuming Suh goes) should be about need, either QB or OL. After that, we need linemen in some spots, but we are weak in a lot of other spots so best available could be a good idea as well.

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It really depends. Detroit went with the best player available and picked 4 WR's with top-10 picks over a 5 year stretch (2003-2007). By that logic, if a TE is the best player available when our 2nd round pick is due, we would draft yet another TE despite having Cooley and Davis. I feel that if the best player available plays a position where depth isn't an issue, then TRADE DOWN, add picks, and draft someone to fill a greater need.

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[quote=TheGuyFromOverThere;621425]We´re the redskins. We draft neither need nor best available. We just pick a WR.[/quote]

That's the Lions.