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I know we all tend to disagree quite a bit, but one thing i think we all agree on is that zorn will be gone at the end of the year. I'm just wondering what route would be the best way to go to find a new head coach. do you think we should go after a big name caoch who is currently unemployed by a team in the nfl like shannahan, gruden, ect.? go after an offensive or defensive cordinator from a proven winning team like the steelers, colts, ect.? or go after a college coach with a great record like brian kelly, les miles, etc.? i honestly can't decide we have tried all so far and they have all failed, so what do we do this time?

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As odd as it might sound, I don't think Zorn's fate is sealed just yet.

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[quote=12thMan;621453]As odd as it might sound, I don't think Zorn's fate is sealed just yet.[/quote]

I agree...that's why he still wears the headset during games.

His current services as drive-thru attendent at the FedEx Johnny Rockets is invaluable.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621454]I agree...that's why he still wears the headset during games.

His current services as drive-thru attendent at the FedEx Johnny Rockets is invaluable.[/quote]

Maybe Snyder will give him some roller skates so he can apply at Sonic

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Jon Gruden

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[quote=12thMan;621453]As odd as it might sound, I don't think Zorn's fate is sealed just yet.[/quote]

Yep, that sounds real odd. Zorns fate has been sealed. He apparently will survive through the season if hes lucky. But hes already a dead man walking. He been stripped of about every ounce of dignity he ever had.

IF he makes it until season end. HE WILL GET A ONE WAY PASS OUTTA THE NATIONS CAPITAL!

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[quote=WaldSkins;621456]Maybe Snyder will give him some roller skates so he can apply at Sonic[/quote]

Or a low cut shirt and some skimpy orange shorts for a new Hooters at FedEx.

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At this point I only want a coach that has won a superbowl. No more offensive coordinators, college or QB coaches. The only exception I'll make is Russ Grimm.

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Maybe our new GM will pick the coach

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Good question. In regards to the issue of Zorn?....unless he has kept his system under wraps and he breaks all hell lose and the Skins end the season with a winning record 10-6, he's done. Cooked. Stick a fork in him. I think we all know Zorn cannot fix this problem that VC created over time. Unfortunatly both are tied together.

We have tried the new up and coming OC when we plucked Norv from Dallas. We tried the big name in Marty, but didn't give it a chance. We tried the college coach in Spurrier, but we pick a gimmick system. We tried going old school/big name again in Gibbs. We tried someone people said would be another good up and commer in Zorn.

Basically our problem is Cerrato. Our secondary problem is picking someone who was not ready to be a HC and not allowing them to essemble their team of coach's to make the scheme work. The obvious is we need a decent an upgrade at GM. Either young or old and proven we need an upgrade. DS needs to allow the GM to conduct interviews with coach's in the system he understands so he can help pick players for that system from the draft. Then we need to allow the HC to collect his own staff. I know DS will be spending more money in order to accomplish this task but with out everyone on the same page we will go no further then we have been.

I think everyone would love to have a young talented qualified GM to make this a great team for yrs to come. A HC who is young who can build this team from the ground up to fit his system. And....young talented players who are healthy, faster, and stronger who will not be sitting on the bench taking up space trying to get healthy all the time.

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^^ i agree i just hope we get a new gm cause even if we lose out and zorn is gone vinny could come back he was hired after marty went 8-3 to close out his season after firing vinny, that said i think so far our best coaches were gibbs and marty i think marty had the most promise look at the list of starters he had, thats why i kinda think it would be good to go with a proven head coach and i would have to take gruden over eveyone else because i think being younger is a big factor we need someone for what will hopefully be a long term hc like a minimum of 6-7 years and it's said to consider that long term but for us that really is

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Get marty!!

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[quote=SBXVII;621473]Good question. In regards to the issue of Zorn?....unless he has kept his system under wraps and he breaks all hell lose and the Skins end the season with a winning record 10-6, he's done. Cooked. Stick a fork in him. I think we all know Zorn cannot fix this problem that VC created over time. Unfortunatly both are tied together.

We have tried the new up and coming OC when we plucked Norv from Dallas. We tried the big name in Marty, but didn't give it a chance. We tried the college coach in Spurrier, but we pick a gimmick system. We tried going old school/big name again in Gibbs. We tried someone people said would be another good up and commer in Zorn.

Basically our problem is Cerrato. Our secondary problem is picking someone who was not ready to be a HC and not allowing them to essemble their team of coach's to make the scheme work. The obvious is we need a decent an upgrade at GM. Either young or old and proven we need an upgrade. DS needs to allow the GM to conduct interviews with coach's in the system he understands so he can help pick players for that system from the draft. Then we need to allow the HC to collect his own staff. I know DS will be spending more money in order to accomplish this task but with out everyone on the same page we will go no further then we have been.

I think everyone would love to have a young talented qualified GM to make this a great team for yrs to come. A HC who is young who can build this team from the ground up to fit his system. And....young talented players who are healthy, faster, and stronger who will not be sitting on the bench taking up space trying to get healthy all the time.[/quote]

SBXVII - your statement makes too much sense and most good teams follow this type of logic - but look at our past and I doubt it goes this way. I mean how many teams would pick the offensive coordinator first before hiring the head coach, and for that matter how many would already have a defensive coordinator in place - doesn't this kind of limit the type of head coaching applicants a team can obtain?

Also, if I remember correctly didn't Dan and Vinny interview the coaching canidates for some 16 hours or more - so now that we see the results of their extensive interviewing and personeel management analysis what does this say about the owner and his "super smart GM"?

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I don't give a shit, as long as I get to see football next year, and the year after that. Whoever the coach is I just hope the team wins because you could bring Vince Lombardi back from the dead but if they win, then things will be fine. If you get my 1 1/2 year old son to be GM but if they don't win then the people will call for his head. If they somehow would become a winner then everyone will be drafting by who the toddler slobbers on first. I'm gonna wait to see what happens and then I'll get butt siced about the possibilities. I'll read all the articles on him building up my hope that he'll be the guy to take this team back to the Promised Land.

I would like Gruden just because he seems like he'd be fun to watch on TV. So would Brian Billick but he'd be too much of a dickhead because he'd have to prove that he's not being told what to do. Gruden is my pick, Russ Grimm my second. Kyle Shannahan is my sleeper. At the end of the day, I'll just wait til February when we hire our new GM and then HC.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;621460]At this point I only want a coach that has won a superbowl. No more offensive coordinators, college or QB coaches. The only exception I'll make is Russ Grimm.[/quote]


Russ Grimm has never won a Super Bowl as a coach. If you open up possibilities to players who have won a Super Bowl, you run the SERIOUS risk of getting a head coach who has never been a head coach before.

Does that sound familiar?

Coaches who have Super Bowl rings and are "out there" include:
[INDENT]Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Jon Gruden
Dick Vermeil
Brian Billick
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
George Seifert[/INDENT]
Looking at that list, I'd guess Gruden, Billick and Seifert are the "most available"...

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;622918]Get marty!![/quote]


If you believe the "scuttlebutt" around the league - - which is sometimes wrong but it right more than half the time - - the parting between Marty and Danny Boy was more like the Hatfields and the McCoys than it was an amicable parting of the ways...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;622953]If you believe the "scuttlebutt" around the league - - which is sometimes wrong but it right more than half the time - - the parting between Marty and Danny Boy was more like the Hatfields and the McCoys than it was an amicable parting of the ways...[/quote]

I thought the scuttlebutt was that they actually ended up being somewhat close.

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Snyder hires the GM [U]first[/U]. [U]Then[/U], the GM hires the coach. It's the only way to do it properly.

We need the best available GM for the long haul. Snyder needs to go back to France, n'est pas?

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If I remember correctly when Synder was asked about why he passed on hiring Bobby Bethard his reposnse was something along the lines of "Bethard wanted too much money". So going out and bowing tens of millions of dollars on signing bonuses is not an issue but paying your front office people is?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621454]I agree...that's why he still wears the headset during games.

His current services as drive-thru attendent at the FedEx Johnny Rockets is invaluable.[/quote]

Dude I typically don't comment much on here but i'm on daily and that was some funny shit. Not many people make me laugh on here. Thanks

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[quote=FRPLG;623046]I thought the scuttlebutt was that they actually ended up being somewhat close.[/quote]

They have indeed gotten much closer over the years. Snyder reached out to Marty when his son was diagnosed with cancer to give him access to the same doctors and the Mayo clinic that he used when he went thru the same thing.

Back OT, I would be very happy with the following set-up:
President of Football Operations-Floyd Reese
General Manager-Phil Savage
Director of Pro Personnel-George Kokinis
HC-Whomever Reese and Savage decide upon!

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[quote=Paintrain;623102]They have indeed gotten much closer over the years. Snyder reached out to Marty when his son was diagnosed with cancer to give him access to the same doctors and the Mayo clinic that he used when he went thru the same thing.

Back OT, I would be very happy with the following set-up:
President of Football Operations-Floyd Reese
General Manager-Phil Savage
Director of Pro Personnel-George Kokinis
HC-Whomever Reese and Savage decide upon![/quote]

I like this scenerio very much. These guys have real time info about the state of the NFL and they've worked with or around each other at one time or another.

And think to top of this list, I wouldn't mind seeing Jim Harbaugh come here.

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[quote=Paintrain;623102]They have indeed gotten much closer over the years. Snyder reached out to Marty when his son was diagnosed with cancer to give him access to the same doctors and the Mayo clinic that he used when he went thru the same thing.

Back OT, I would be very happy with the following set-up:
President of Football Operations-Floyd Reese
General Manager-Phil Savage
Director of Pro Personnel-George Kokinis
HC-Whomever Reese and Savage decide upon![/quote]

any chance you might have 1.6 billion lying around anywhere?? this is the first line up i actually like, and i wouldn't mind seeing mike zimmer, or gruden as hc

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[quote=Paintrain;623102]They have indeed gotten much closer over the years. Snyder reached out to Marty when his son was diagnosed with cancer to give him access to the same doctors and the Mayo clinic that he used when he went thru the same thing.

Back OT, I would be very happy with the following set-up:
President of Football Operations-Floyd Reese
General Manager-Phil Savage
Director of Pro Personnel-George Kokinis
HC-Whomever Reese and Savage decide upon![/quote]

Excellent lineup. I'm not sure why any of those guys would want to work with Danny but we'd have a great FO if they did.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;623093]Dude I typically don't comment much on here but i'm on daily and that was some funny shit. Not many people make me laugh on here. Thanks[/quote]

Since the Skins are aren't even competitive this season me and my brother in law have been ranking on the Skins during the games. Zorn's headset came up during the Monday Night game and had us rolling.

The saying 'laugh to keep from crying' definitely applies here. I recommend it during these times...it's really cathardic watching the Skins games like this.

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Gruden .. Gruden ..or Gruden ..

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[quote=Skinny Tee;621459]Or a low cut shirt and some skimpy orange shorts for a new Hooters at FedEx.[/quote]
There's already one @ club level

unless you're implying that they're going to make him work the 400s lol

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[quote=DCtoAZ;623191]Gruden .. Gruden ..or Gruden ..[/quote]

HELL NO! This dude won with Tony Dungy team, and after that, look at his record and playoff record.

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[quote=Nomad;623277]HELL NO! This dude won with Tony Dungy team, and after that, look at his record and playoff record.[/quote]

The Raiders were Dungy's project as well? He won a couple of playoff games with the Raiders and had 4 years with them that we'd all be dancing in the streets to have with the Skins right now...under Al Davis, who is far worse than Dan Snyder.

I'd be happy with Gruden.

His resume:
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm]Jon Gruden Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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Gruden with Chip Daniels as his offensive coordinator

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[quote=Nomad;623277]HELL NO! This dude won with Tony Dungy team, and after that, look at his record and playoff record.[/quote]

Yeah the Bucs were how far under the cap and didnt get Gruden any help with the offense? Other than C.Williams i cant name one.
This guy won in Oakland,he can win here. he was a tuck rule away from the SB.

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If he can win with Al Davis as owner, he would fit in here just fine. Just hope Bruce Allen comes along with the package.

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[quote=Nomad;623277]HELL NO! This dude won with Tony Dungy team, and after that, look at his record and playoff record.[/quote]By that same logic he built a Super Bowl team in Oakland, only to be replaced by Callahan.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;622950]

Coaches who have Super Bowl rings and are "out there" include:
[INDENT]Bill Cowher
Mike Shanahan
Mike Holmgren
Jon Gruden
Dick Vermeil
Brian Billick
Tony Dungy
Bill Parcells
George Seifert[/INDENT][/quote]

Dungy...absolutely. Gruden, certainly. Maybe even cowher...the rest can sit.

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[quote=jsarno;623943]Dungy...absolutely. Gruden, certainly. Maybe even cowher...the rest can sit.[/quote]
What about Holmgren, he is the most accomplished of the bunch aside from Parcells, who I believe is not available. He would also have most of his coaching staff in place so there would be less of a learning curve for the players.

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Is Jack Pardee still alive?
He was average....that would be a huge upgrade and he probably knows a lot about bingo

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[quote=jsarno;623943]Dungy...absolutely. Gruden, certainly. Maybe even cowher...the rest can sit.[/quote]

All 3 would be great J, but without a change in management any acquisition of one of the above three names would almost be a moot point, or a waste of money.

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Right now, Gruden would be the man. He is relatively young, energetic, seems like he really wants to get back on the sidelines also. Billick would be my second choice. I like Holmgren, but I don't go for the WCO at all. Not Skins type of ball or NFC East for that matter. Dungy rules, but my bet is he stays put for awhile. He doesn't seem to be itching to get back so soon, like Cowher.

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i was watching inside the nfl and the had mike lombardi on talking about coaches and gms and he said some thing interesting. he said that a coach like shanahan would be a nice draw because he is currently getting paid by the broncos so the team that picks him up wouldn't have to pay him as much.

thats not word for word but pretty much what was said, i thought if a new team hired him denver would be off the hook, is this not the case?

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Don't want the WCO or the Tampa 2 defense. Neeeext!!!!