Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I dunno know guys but with Portis out the offense looked alot better.
Portis slows our offense down it seems. What do u guys think?

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he doesnt hit the holes nearly as hard as rock or betts.

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Yeah. Running into your own guys kinda poses a problem when you're trying to gain yards.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;622045]I dunno know guys but with Portis out the [B]offense looked alot better.[/B]
Portis slows our offense down it seems. What do u guys think?[/quote]

I've yet to see the improvement. We still have the same whopping 17 points.

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I agree. Portis has lost more than a few steps. We are better off with Betts and Cartwright.

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[quote=WaldSkins;622166]I've yet to see the improvement. We still have the same whopping 17 points.[/quote]

Really? You didn't see those two drives when the passing game was much better because we were actually running the ball? I think the problem is that our defense didn't come to play.

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[quote=Ruhskins;622183]Really? You didn't see those two drives when the passing game was much better because we were actually running the ball? I think the problem is that our defense didn't come to play.[/quote]

I meant improvement on the scoreboard

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[quote=WaldSkins;622206]I meant improvement on the scoreboard[/quote]

Well at least on this game I would lay the blame on the defense not being able to hold up and for having game injuries catch up at the end.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;622156]Yeah. Running into your own guys kinda poses a problem when you're trying to gain yards.[/quote]
Since he hosed up Big Mike with the "no block" stuff to the coaches, Sellers won't "tow" him through the line anymore......

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We've talked a lot about Portis and the various problems he presents, but with all the other many thing going wrong with this team he's just a small portion. Discipline is a serious issue with this team.

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I liked how quickly/hard the holes were hit today

also, the reads on the blocking or lack thereof seemed better

Portis runs unenthused

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[quote=Longtimefan;622252]We've talked a lot about Portis and the various problems he presents, but with all the other many thing going wrong with this team he's just a small portion. Discipline is a serious issue with this team.[/quote]
In my opinion, when you excuse problems, you become one.

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[quote=Longtimefan;622252]We've talked a lot about Portis and the various problems he presents, but with all the other many thing going wrong with this team he's just a small portion. Discipline is a serious issue with this team.[/quote]

Funny that you mention discipline because Portis' problem is discipline too. He doesn't practice, he has had run-ins with head coaches (both Gibbs and Zorn), and this year he called out Sellers (correctly, but it is still wrong). He has a direct line to the owner, and that seems to allow him to do whatever he wants.

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Take away that 74 yard run, and Portis is done this year. He hasn't done one damn thing worth a damn. He's given us some really good years, but he's done. I don't even see him laying out blitzers like he used to.

Losing two steps in the NFL is two too many. Trade him or bench him. Rock and Betts were much better and ran much harder.

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[quote=12thMan;622301]Take away that 74 yard run, and Portis is done this year. He hasn't done one damn thing worth a damn. He's given us some really good years, but he's done. I don't even see him laying out blitzers like he used to.

Losing two steps in the NFL is two too many. [B]Trade him or bench him. Rock and Betts were much better and ran much harder[/B].[/quote]

We're too financially vested in him to do either of those. The only we can hope for is that the CBA doesn't get signed and we go into an uncapped year where we can release players with no ill effect.

I don't think this is a complete reflection on Portis's ability. From the looks of it we made adjustments at half and didn't give up on the run. Atlanta seemed prepared for some pass heavy offense so we could get back into the game.

We did manage to run better in the 2nd half though. I can't completely put that on Portis given the circumstances.

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[quote=12thMan;622301]Take away that 74 yard run, and Portis is done this year. He hasn't done one damn thing worth a damn. He's given us some really good years, but he's done. I don't even see him laying out blitzers like he used to.

Losing two steps in the NFL is two too many. Trade him or bench him. Rock and Betts were much better and ran much harder.[/quote]

He is done. Don't think any team would trade for him now. Rock and Betts are straight ahead; no speed to get around the end. This O is doomed.

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[quote=12thMan;622301][B]Take away that 74 yard run, and Portis is done this year. [/B]He hasn't done one damn thing worth a damn. He's given us some really good years, but he's done. I don't even see him laying out blitzers like he used to.

Losing two steps in the NFL is two too many. Trade him or bench him. Rock and Betts were much better and ran much harder.[/quote]

And in all honesty, most any other back in the league would have scored on that run with one man to beat.

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[quote=Bushead;622317]And in all honesty, most any other back in the league would have scored on that run with one man to beat.[/quote]

A young, talented RB with speed. What everyone in the NFL is looking for. Is it in this team's future with everything else in the offense to address next year?

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[quote=Ruhskins;622299]Funny that you mention discipline because Portis' problem is discipline too. He doesn't practice, he has had run-ins with head coaches (both Gibbs and Zorn), and this year he called out Sellers (correctly, but it is still wrong). He has a direct line to the owner, and that seems to allow him to do whatever he wants.[/quote]

I agree, and that's what makes him the thread title. He takes a position that's not condusive to winning football.

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Portis sucks...end of story. Over hyped over paid prima donna. I hope he is ok from the concussion, but I won't lose sleep if I never see him in a skins jersey again.

Betts and Rock are at minimum equal to Portis.

Im guessing he has a boat load of guaranteed money coming to him in the next two years, so we are probably stuck with him.

Just add him to the list of Skins that are stealing money and giving minimal effort.

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edit - drunk
go skins!!

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In all fairness to CP when he was in there he had Falcons right in his face. There were no holes. CP may not be what he once was but if there is a hole he hits it.

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I wouldnt say Portis is a problem, he is not a primary back anymore. I think we need to see someone else back there. Betts isnt the answer and Rock is about done. I like to see Portis getting a third of the carries back there, his isnt a twenty touch guy anymore. Our bigger issue is the Oline and receivers.

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[quote=over the mountain;622323]lol sadly this same thread was brought in the offseason in which many posters on this board piggy-backed with the mods with such statements as "you dont know football" or "yeah lets blame our rb with near;y 1500 yds NS top 10 rb ranking" . . . yada yada yada

yeah dont blame cp, i you want a rationale reason you have to ask the mods who apparently when this subject of this skins being married contractually to portis in the offseason is a non issue..... yawn.

sadly, most mods are on record as saying there needs to be a change at rb, please compare this with their put down thoughts just a few months ago.

go skins!![/quote]

Let's not get crazy now...

You're basing this on one game. Now Betts & Rock are kings because they ran against a defense that was preparing for an offense to pass in the 2nd half? Hardly...if either Betts or Rock are keyed & schemed on like Portis is in the week leading to the game they wouldn't have the same output.

I'm not a believer in either Betts or Rock under this dismal OL. Our OL is more of a cause for poor rushing game than our RBs are at this point.


One half is hardly reference enough to cite change or indict culpability.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;622329]Let's not get crazy now...

You're basing this on one game. Now Betts & Rock are kings because they ran against a defense that was preparing for an offense to pass in the 2nd half? Hardly...if either Betts or Rock are keyed & schemed on like Portis is in the week leading to the game they wouldn't have the same output.

I'm not a believer in either Betts or Rock under this dismal OL. Our OL is more of a cause for poor rushing game than our RBs are at this point.


One half is hardly reference enough to cite change or indict culpability.[/quote]

For the most part I agree with your post here. But even though the sample size is small, Betts certainly looked like he had a heck of a lot more bounce and pop than Portis has all year. Portis is also battling through a myriad of injuries to his right leg, and now he has a concussion to deal with. I would have no issue with shutting him down for a few games or at least making the backfield a full on time share.

As far as the thread title, I don't know if he's a "BIG" problem, but he's not really helping us at all either. His contract however will become a GIANT problem if a new CBA gets signed.

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Good post, GM and Tee! I'm hoping we will do complete overhaul on the line this off-season..

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Betts has always been quick to the hole

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[quote=Mattyk72;622368]Betts has always been quick to the hole[/quote]

He just looked faster and more energetic today. He ripped off several solid gains. Portis is beat up and has lost a few steps. I think the fact that Betts is so fast to the hole is more of what we need with our patchwork O-line. The few decent holes they can produce don't stay open very long.

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when a team is losing its easy to find scapegoats......the fact is that portis may be the best player on your entire team......its a shame he is starting to speak up about his unhappiness but he deserves the fans respect simply because of his talent level and his patience to wait this long before saying something

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if you guys get some insider info to whether portis is out for awhile let me know.......im dying for a RB in fantasy football and betts would make a solid contribution........right now im riding jamal lewis, rashard mendenhall, and fred jackson......i need a solid RB

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[quote=CantonLegend;622389]when a team is losing its easy to find scapegoats......[B]the fact is that portis may be the best player on your entire team[/B]......its a shame he is starting to speak up about his unhappiness but he deserves the fans respect simply because of his talent level and his patience to wait this long before saying something[/quote]

Not even close anymore.

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Portis is what he is - a back with high mileage, and probably little left. Then again, who would look good week in, week out playing behind this O-line???

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[quote=CantonLegend;622389]when a team is losing its easy to find scapegoats......the fact is that portis may be the best player on your entire team......its a shame he is starting to speak up about his unhappiness but he deserves the fans respect simply because of his talent level and his patience to wait this long before saying something[/quote]
CP is not even the best "injured Redskin"......

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I dont want to get on Portis too much, if at all... While I'm ready to move on from him overall, I dont think its fair to blame him for much of anything with the way this season has gone. As a complete back (blocking, receiving, ect) he's by far the best on our team, and people like ot give him a lot of sh*t, but he's been one of the most consistant players for us since he has gotten here, and provided an awful lot of memories....

....but I gotta say, I was very suprised at how well I thought Betts was running the ball today. Thats as good as anyone has run the football for us all season long. Its really crazy how much better that guy runs when he is "the guy" and not the change of pace guy. I'd like to see a bit more of him next week if Portis can't go....

But saying Portis is a "big" problem, makes me feel like people are trying to blame him for the teams play, when I dont think thats the case at all.

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The line is a disgrace and the worst problem on the O, no doubt. BUT CP like JC does not do things competant people at their respective positions should do.

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[quote=Gmanc711;622407]I dont want to get on Portis too much, if at all... While I'm ready to move on from him overall, I dont think its fair to blame him for much of anything with the way this season has gone. As a complete back (blocking, receiving, ect) he's by far the best on our team, and people like ot give him a lot of sh*t, but he's been one of the most consistant players for us since he has gotten here, and provided an awful lot of memories....

....but I gotta say, I was very suprised at how well I thought Betts was running the ball today. Thats as good as anyone has run the football for us all season long. Its really crazy how much better that guy runs when he is "the guy" and not the change of pace guy. I'd like to see a bit more of him next week if Portis can't go....

But saying Portis is a "big" problem, makes me feel like people are trying to blame him for the teams play, when I dont think thats the case at all.[/quote]
I would have to say I agree with everything you just said.

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Portis isn't a BIG problem. But I think he's done in Washington.

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[quote=over the mountain;622323]lol sadly this same thread was brought in the offseason in which many posters on this board piggy-backed with the mods with such statements as "you dont know football" or "yeah lets blame our rb with near;y 1500 yds NS top 10 rb ranking" . . . yada yada yada

yeah dont blame cp, i you want a rationale reason you have to ask the mods who apparently when this subject of this skins being married contractually to portis in the offseason is a non issue..... yawn.

sadly, most mods are on record as saying there needs to be a change at rb, please compare this with their put down thoughts just a few months ago.

go skins!![/quote]

huh??

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[quote=Mattyk72;622439]huh??[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. lol.

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Build it and they will come

Translation
Build the line and the yards will come.