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Wow, the combination of the fact that he gets to play next to Albert Haynesworth and that he is a straight up monster have added up to the fact that through 9 games, Orakpo has racked up 7 sacks.

That is pretty impressive and 11-12 sacks in his rookie year is not out of reach. I knew that Orakpo would be really good but I didn't think he would be this good this early...

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And he's only getting better, the sky's the limit for this kid.

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Yeah he was a hit. The guy is starting to make the great plays we thought he could. He would be just a giant in a 3-4 I think.

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Our DLine looks to be a very good thing for the next 4-5 years atleast. Orakpo and Jarmon, AH (awesome coming back for those final 3 downs!), and then Golston/Montgomery.

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Yep, he is looking good. He seems to be improving each week at the SLB position. Great addition to the team.

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Good job VC?

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[quote=Duffman003;626044]Good job VC?[/quote]

No. You don't get a heck of a lot of credit for drafting the best playerb on the board when you pick. Now if he had maneuvered up to make the pick or made some exotic pick that worked out (like the Patriots pick of Jerod Mayo last year) then he gets credit.

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But if you draft the best player on the board and he's a bust, you get blasted.

So to review, best player on the board and he lives up to the hype = no credit

Best player on the board and he's a bust = you are a dumbass

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[quote=FRPLG;626056]No. You don't get a heck of a lot of credit for drafting the best playerb on the board when you pick. Now if he had maneuvered up to make the pick or made some exotic pick that worked out (like the Patriots pick of Jerod Mayo last year) then he gets credit.[/quote]

Yeah, and we didn't even see what offers were out there? As big a fan of Orakpo as I am, you still wait and see if someone(not in division) is willing to make a Holy Hallelujah offer and then go with your next best choices. Clearly we had a lot of OL needs that could have been addressed. Or you turn down the offer, but give teams time to stew about it!

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Should be in strong consideration for rookie defensive player of the year. Easily.

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[quote=Mattyk72;626060]But if you draft the best player on the board and he's a bust, you get blasted.

So to review, best player on the board and he lives up to the hype = no credit

Best player on the board and he's a bust = you are a dumbass[/quote]Orakpo at that spot was an absolute no-brainer. When Denver picked Moreno right before our spot, we would have rightfully been ridiculed if we passed on a Top-10 talent that could fill a position of significant need (SLB / DE). Orakpo is going to be our DeMarcus Ware (or better) for the next decade.

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[quote=Duffman003;626044]Good job VC?[/quote]

Orakpo is a good draft pick. He is a good player now and has a lot of potential.

One could make an argument though that an OL would have been a better selection. What if we had an offensive lineman that was starting now and showed equal potential? What if we traded down for a first and third and had 2 olineman?

Hey, i'm happy w/ the pick though. If you've got a game changer there, you've got to take them more times than not.

So VC, good pick, but you're a horrible GM...or executive vice president of personel or whatever you are. Let's face it though, i probably would have selected BA there too.

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Yes, BA is a beast and i'm looking forward to watching him for many years. BA jersey...hmmm?

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[quote=Mattyk72;626060]But if you draft the best player on the board and he's a bust, you get blasted.

So to review, best player on the board and he lives up to the hype = no credit

Best player on the board and he's a bust = you are a dumbass[/quote]

Not from me. Rogers is a good example. He hasn't been awesome...but he was the right pick. Just didn't work out too much.

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Give Vinny credit when credit due. If you have a player available that is special, you take them. We get messed up doing stupid stuff like drafting "Tall" receivers, how bout drafting the best receiver. Give the man some credit. You make your arguments against him not credible.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;626085]Give Vinny credit when credit due. If you have a player available that is special, you take them. We get messed up doing stupid stuff like drafting "Tall" receivers, how bout drafting the best receiver. Give the man some credit. You make your arguments against him not credible.[/quote]

What arguments?

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orakpo is having a great year, but people seem to be overlooking the fact that andre carter is having an amazing season. 42 tackles, 3 ff, and 8 sacks. great year. why not try he and orakpo together full time on the d-line?

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[quote=FRPLG;626083]Not from me. Rogers is a good example. He hasn't been awesome...but he was the right pick. Just didn't work out too much.[/quote]I disagreed with the Rogers pick with DeMarcus Ware and Shawne Merriman still on the board. At least with Orakpo, we finally have the impact pass rusher that we passed on back then. And don't underestimate the impact of Haynesworth. He makes Orakpo and Carter almost unblockable since he's taking a double team on many plays. I'm amazed that the secondary hasn't made more plays with a vastly improved pass rush. Landry is all but invisible.

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Carter deserves some serious Pro Bowl consideration this year.

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Let's not forget Jarmon, I'm beginning to see flashes of potential and next year he could be a beast.

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[quote=Duffman003;626044]Good job VC?[/quote]
On not passing up the OBVIOUS pick to make when Orakpo miraculously fell to us, sure, I'll give him credit for the pick.

However, he went on to ignore the o-line AGAIN in the remainder of the draft and only Marko Mitchell may work out (next year) with the rest of his picks...so overall, the draft was a failure beyond scoring 'Rak.

Maybe if Barnes takes over for Carlos and plays well, Vinny can get a little more credit from me on the way out the door.

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[quote=Buster;626128]On not passing up the OBVIOUS pick to make when Orakpo miraculously fell to us, sure, I'll give him credit for the pick.

However, he went on to ignore the o-line AGAIN in the remainder of the draft and only Marko Mitchell may work out (next year) with the rest of his picks...so overall, the draft was a failure beyond scoring 'Rak.

Maybe if Barnes takes over for Carlos and plays well, Vinny can get a little more credit from me on the way out the door.[/quote]With Rogers all but gone after this year, Tryon and Barnes better be ready to contribute next year. Vinny needs some of his mid-round picks to start making an impact, to legitimize his last two drafts. Rinehart, Tryon, and Barnes have done little to date. That said, we can all agree that Orakpo has been a home run, but I'll repeat that he was an easy pick to get right when he fell in our laps.

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So are we saying that Orakpo should stay at OLB or should we put him at DE still to see if we get even better results? I think the best possible postion for Orakpo would be at 3-4 OLB like James Harrison.

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Yeah if Jarmon some how pans out then we have a d line comparable to the really good ones up in Minnesota and New York (giants not jets)

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[quote=Duffman003;626044]Good job VC?[/quote]

Good solid pick by Vinny and co. Let's give him some credit on this one.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;626345]Yeah if Jarmon[B] some how pans out[/B] then we have a d line comparable to the really good ones up in Minnesota and New York (giants not jets)[/quote]

Just curious why you phrase it like that. From the limited action where I have seen him on the field, it certainly seems like he is a capable player. Seems to have speed and power, so have you seen something that gives you pause?

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yes yes good job vinny...now just get us a qb, a coach, cheaper beer, a less diva running back (pref under the age of 30), a new cover corner, and oh yes - the much hyped 1st round draft picks used on the oline

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98 is a tank

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Rak is a beast, but Micheal Oher was available as well correct? So that is a toss up on who could have been the better player for us right away. So this is where the VC arguement can start. Did he draft the right player for our team? Keep in mind we have all been bitching about the fact that we don't get enough sacks for years, but now our immediate need has shifted from the Dline to the Oline. Time to sure this unit up for years to come the way we have sured up the dline for years to come this past off season.

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BTW we still need to fire vinny....

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[quote=Mattyk72;626060]But if you draft the best player on the board and he's a bust, you get blasted.

So to review, best player on the board and he lives up to the hype = no credit

Best player on the board and he's a bust = you are a dumbass[/quote]

if al davis is sniffing super glue and see's dhb run a sick forty time and drafts him about 20 spots early and throws everyone off, and then the bills take maybin ahead of orakpo, if you don't take orakpo then you better join in with davis and the super glue sniffing cause orakpo was definitely top ten talent

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[quote=redsk1;626078]Yes, BA is a beast and i'm looking forward to watching him for many years. BA jersey...hmmm?[/quote]

Who is BA????????

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;626417]Who is BA????????[/quote]

B.A. Baracus?

[IMG]http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/anorak-city/ATEAM%20BA.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Big C;626106]orakpo is having a great year, but people seem to be overlooking the fact that andre carter is having an amazing season. 42 tackles, 3 ff, and 8 sacks. great year. why not try he and orakpo together full time on the d-line?[/quote]

I dont mean to be a buzz-kill, but almost every sack ive seen of carter happens with some situation where the qb runs into him or has to hold on to it for a long time. And he has been playing against shitty talent.
keep in mind that since I decided the season is over, I only watch about half of every game and have only seen about 4 of his sacks.

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Yeppers Orakpo gets mad props for taking the position change in stride and quickly making an impact in unfamiliar territory. His raw physical ability might be unparalleled in the league.

But for eff sakes let's not make Vinny into a "swell guy" for this. In fact the mere mention of Vinny alongside Rak is pretty silly. Vinny tried to get Sanchez, then tried to trade up again, this time supposedly for Rak, when Lord knows we're so limited in picks. And finally Vinny did nothing to address the real need of the last few years along the oline. Look at Oher tonight. He's legit. Setting up a pick trade where we got Oher in the first and then another quality olineman or DE/LB in the 2nd would be noteworthy as GM. Unfortunately Vinny has working relationships with approximately zero guys around the league to work such a deal, so he did the only thing left to him and picked the obvious BPA.

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[quote=skinster;626457]I dont mean to be a buzz-kill, but almost every sack ive seen of carter happens with some situation where the qb runs into him or has to hold on to it for a long time. And he has been playing against shitty talent.
keep in mind that since I decided the season is over, I only watch about half of every game and have only seen about 4 of his sacks.[/quote]

I don't care how you slice, 8 sacks isn't some fluke. Dude is having a very good year. I would also add he's been a monster against the run pursuing running backs from sideline to sideline.

Carter and Orakpo are beginning to be a very good combo. Can't wait to see them against Romo on Sunday. Should be a treat.

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[quote=FRPLG;626022]Yeah he was a hit. The guy is starting to make the great plays we thought he could. [B]He would be just a giant in a 3-4 I think[/B].[/quote]

For sure. He's done really well as an SLB considering he's playing a new position at the highest level, but I can't help but wonder how he'd be doing as a full time DE. I think his liabilities in coverage as an OLB are about the same as his liabilities against the run as a DE. But as a full time DE, he'd get a lot more opportunities to get pressure.

Regardless, I'm thrilled he's wearing burgundy and gold.

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Come on now - sure Orakpo has a couple of sacks -- but our defense still gives up 3rd downs and big rushing and passing plays.

I like him and I do agree he's a beast. But echo'ing the other guys on this thread:
1) He's playing next to Carter and AH, inflating his numbers.
2) [U]Our need was the O-line[/U]. Oher would have been the smarter pick.

With Oher, our team could have been a [U]playoff contender[/U] this year. We lost THREE games to the worst teams in football because we couldn't pass or run block and our O-line was a mess. I think our defense would still have been top 10 WITHOUT Orakpo, but our offense sucks without an offensive line.

Anyway, I'm hoping this new combination with Levi Jones will solidify the line and help the run game & offense for the rest of the year (although I'm halfheartedly hoping for a good draft pick as well for a QB)..

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[quote=ethat001;626471]Come on now - sure Orakpo has a couple of sacks -- but our defense still gives up 3rd downs and big rushing and passing plays.

I like him and I do agree he's a beast. But echo'ing the other guys on this thread:
1) He's playing next to Carter and AH, inflating his numbers.
2) [U]Our need was the O-line[/U]. Oher would have been the smarter pick.

With Oher, our team could have been a [U]playoff contender[/U] this year. We lost THREE games to the worst teams in football because we couldn't pass or run block and our O-line was a mess. I think our defense would still have been top 10 WITHOUT Orakpo, but our offense sucks without an offensive line.

Anyway, I'm hoping this new combination with Levi Jones will solidify the line and help the run game & offense for the rest of the year (although I'm halfheartedly hoping for a good draft pick as well for a QB)..[/quote]

orakpo was a must take at that position he should have been in the top ten

what about our remaining picks thoos should have been used for an oline instead we got barnes, glenn, and hensen, the only oline we got undrafted guys from md again

and why didn't we go after levi in the offseason instead of waiting he could have helped out alot earlier in the year

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[quote=12thMan;626461]I don't care how you slice, 8 sacks isn't some fluke. Dude is having a very good year. I would also add he's been a monster against the run pursuing running backs from sideline to sideline.

[B]Carter and Orakpo are beginning to be a very good combo[/B]. Can't wait to see them against Romo on Sunday. Should be a treat.[/quote]

Assuming Carter stays for next season, do you think it would be viable to have Orakpo line up opposite Carter? Have Orakpo play DE? Everyone's saying he'd be beast coming off the edge like that instead of LB. Because.. Well.. We know he stinks at coverage anyway. So why not let him blow up O-Lines all day?