As the new GM would you go after Ronnie Brown?
 

Supposing you are the new Redskins GM would you go after Ronnie Brown after the season? He's currently in his contract season that officially ended yesterday. It would be foolish for the Dolphins to part with such an amazing player, but the Redskins could pay more. Would you? Should we?

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NO and NO

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I'm not sure he's worth what we'd have to pay to get him. And can anyone say torn acl?

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Brown is a very good back who can do many things but i wouldnt want to pay what it would take to get him.

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no. how old is he? and isn't he injured right now?

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With a better offensive line, cheaper running backs can thrive. Unless you're talking about Adrian Peterson, you wait until the third round or later to start drafting backs. And you absolutely don't break the bank on a high priced free agent running back.

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naaahhh.

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nope

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He's had some pretty serious injuries and he was just put on IR. Besides that I'd rather look to the draft and not spend big money on a RB, again.

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Uh, is there something wrong with Betts and Rock?

I had to say that. Especially since some think they are the best. ;)

Is there something wrong with Ganther? Obviously we have not seen enough of him to call him Portis's replacement but I was excited to hear he actually blocked well, and ran well. Heard he trucked 2 people? Can we not see if he is the Portis type of back we have needed to replace him and maybe pick up a bruising back to compliment or look for a scat back if Ganther can keep trucking people?

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Nope, dont want players with injury history

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I actually wouldn't have a problem at all if we went with Betts as the #1 and Rock as the #2 next year. Neither are long term options though and we need to start thinking about that.

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hell yes we should get ronnie brown and then draft tebow, wildcat here we come!!!!!!



sike, no and no

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We probably can't get him. He falls into the same category as Campbell and Rogers, draftees with 4-5 years of NFL experience. Even though their contracts will be up, the expiring CBA and uncapped season limits their ability to become unrestricted free agents.

Any player with less than 6 years experience remains the exclusive rights of the team that drafted him. So the Dolphins will be the only team who can negotiate with him. He can only leave if the Dolphins decide they don't want him.

Same for the Redskins with Campbell and Rogers. They can't go negotiating with other teams unless we let them.

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[quote=Mattyk72;627467]I actually wouldn't have a problem at all if we went with Betts as the #1 and Rock as the #2 next year. Neither are long term options though and we need to start thinking about that.[/quote]

I'm eating a lot of crow here, I like what Betts and Rock have done in the last 2 or 3 games when they have been relied upon to move the ball. I especially like them on the field together. If we went rebuild mode I wouldn't have a problem keeping them until we found a viable replacement. Maybe it's Ganther maybe it's not but it would give the team time to aquire someone. In the past I have not liked either Betts or Rock but the good news is they don't have the wear and tear that Portis has and I don't see the need to bring in someone elses broken down backs who have a lot of miles on them.

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No. The days of RBs being important enough to commit major resources to are over. He's oldish, been injured and plays the easiest plug and play position in football. Plus his "amazingness" could be attributed to the gimmick offense they run.

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[quote=SBXVII;627479]I'm eating a lot of crow here, I like what Betts and Rock have done in the last 2 or 3 games when they have been relied upon to move the ball. I especially like them on the field together. If we went rebuild mode I wouldn't have a problem keeping them until we found a viable replacement. Maybe it's Ganther maybe it's not but it would give the team time to aquire someone. In the past I have not liked either Betts or Rock but the good news is they don't have the wear and tear that Portis has and I don't see the need to bring in someone elses broken down backs who have a lot of miles on them.[/quote]We might win a few games down the stretch because of performance by Betts and Rock, but they'll be 31 and 30 respectively next year, so we can't get roped into thinking the RB situation is okay.

They'll probably look very good down the stretch in relief of Ports, but we need to make RB a priority in the draft.

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[quote=FRPLG;627517]No. The days of RBs being important enough to commit major resources to are over. He's oldish, been injured and plays the easiest plug and play position in football. Plus his "amazingness" could be attributed to the gimmick offense they run.[/quote]Of course, his career (half) season came in 2007 on a terrible team with no offensive line and a basic offensive scheme.

Ronnie Brown is probably the best RB in the league right now (even if Chris Johnson is the top big play back in the league..and not to slight Peterson, Gore, or Jackson), but this is two out of three years that he hasn't been able to play in the second half of the season. In my mind, that's the knock on him.

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I'd like for us to spend our 4th round pick on someone like Anthony Dixon or Hardesty from Tennessee

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RB is not something we should address with a high draft pick until we have a SOLID, established, offensive line. If nothing else, we can go with a RB by committee game in 2010 with Betts getting most of the carries.

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Love R. Brown but not as a fa signing - unless of course he agree to vet min. terms! :)

While I am in 100% agreement about drafting o line w/the top picks, I love CJ Spiller & I would love to see him in b&g. It would take a 1st round pick though. If there are good O linemen in the 2nd & 4th and we get 1 or 2 via free agency, I could see the logic of drafting a dynamic speed back like Spiller w/the 1st pick. Not saying that it's the smartest pick as things stand now, just saying I would still be excited about it.

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One thing, I hate the title of this thread. If our new GM, whoever it is, does start going after high priced injured FA's, I may support bus ads.

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[quote=Beemnseven;627438]With a better offensive line, cheaper running backs can thrive. Unless you're talking about Adrian Peterson, you wait until the third round or later to start drafting backs. And you absolutely don't break the bank on a high priced free agent running back.[/quote]

yeah my thought to. i really dont want to invest heavily at the runningback position.

go skins!!

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He is not going anywhere, the Dolphins will keep him.

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[quote=Beemnseven;627438]With a better offensive line, cheaper running backs can thrive. Unless you're talking about Adrian Peterson, you wait until the third round or later to start drafting backs. And you absolutely don't break the bank on a high priced free agent running back.[/quote]This is correct. I'll say this: what the league already realizes about running backs is true about every other position as well. It just happens to be really obvious for a position with a super short shelf life.

I'm saying, you shouldn't necessarily wait until the third round. Most teams already avoid RBs in the top half of the NFL draft, but there's first round running backs, just like first round quarterbacks, and first round cornerbacks, and first round TEs. Running backs have a specific control over the outcome over the game second to only quarterbacks, so it's clearly critical that you have a good one.

Just like any other position, if you can find a "first round" talent in the fourth round, you do it obviously. Where teams tend to screw up is rewarding runners with monster second contracts (LJ, Shaun Alexander) for past performance. It's disloyal to just let them walk after having a great season, but the alternative of dead money to a player who can't produce more than justifies the decision to let an incredibly productive 27 or 28 year old RB walk.

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He's already in his mid to late twenties (cp) so no thanks

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He's only a sophmore but Ingram from Alabama. He's going to be a good one.

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I think finding an elite running back is extremely difficult in this league. A guy who, regardless of his line, still dominates at the position. A player like Barry Sanders for instance.

I also think finding a good running back is extremely easy in this league. If I'm building a football team, the last position I'd address is probably at running back.

Would I throw millions of dollars at Ronnie Brown? No. I would not.

Stay with Betts / Rock, invest in the line.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;627634]One thing, I hate the title of this thread. If our new GM, whoever it is, does start going after high priced injured FA's, I may support bus ads.[/quote]

nice

so far this year the teams leading the league in rushing all have losing records

1 jets
2 titans
3 panthers
4 dolphins

19 redskins

it's become a passing league and while you need a decent running back you don't need the best to win

if betts performs this way through the rest of the season i wouldn't mind giving him a shot with cp as a back up next year

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[quote=redsk1;627669]He's only a sophmore but Ingram from Alabama. He's going to be a good one.[/quote]

Obviously, won't be available for a couple years.

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We don't need to use a high draft pick on an RB. There are plenty of good ones out there that always go unsigned. Sadly, in the NFL, good runningbacks are a dime a dozen.

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I was just thinking...

For years, we've all been saying "Invest in the draft, stop trading our draft pics, we need to build our team from the ground up" etc. etc.

What if right now is the worst time to be investing in the draft. With an uncapped year potentially approaching. How valuable will the draft be to a team that has potentially unlimited resources?

I'm curious to the implications, even with the new FA rules, that this might have on the value of the draft itself. Anyone have any insight into this.

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[URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true"]2010: An uncapped year odyssey[/URL]

grabbed this off a thread Schneed had started a little while back.

and quoting Schneed as well.

[quote]"The same forces working to keep Campbell and Rogers with the team will be at play all throughout the league, restricting the mobility of 4th and 5th year players whose contracts are due to expire. In an uncapped year, we should expect free agency to be thin. So while Dan Snyder would have his checkbook ready and willing to instantly improve the roster, he probably won't find many players worthy of a big payday. In an uncapped world, the draft takes on even greater importance."
[/quote]So... under my understanding. Free agency will not be very valuable at first, but over time as more and more contracts expire, players will be able to test the market? This shits kinda confusing. Anyone want to take a shot at clarifying this for me?


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found this Chris Samuels thread. Good info.


[quote=Bill B]If there is no cap than as many have said the rules get changed a little - here is the big rule change:

Rules for an uncapped year — including a requirement that players need six seasons rather than four to become unrestricted free agents — would take effect in March, a year before the CBA expires. Teams also wouldn't have to spend to the salary minimum or fund player benefits.

So in effect many of the free agents will have 2 more years of mileage on them making them even more risky - remember the average lifespan of an NFL player is between 3-4 years - so if you are now signing up a bunch of players with 6 years experience you are pushing the envelope.

In my opinion is we go uncapped it would be even more reason that you go to building your team via the draft and the Skins need to get the best GM and front office money can buy. Simply thinking the free agency route will be the easy way to go will become even more of a outdated and incorrect model for building a consistent winner.[/quote]

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No...RB is one of the easiest positions to fill with a draft pick. They need young players not more older guys with injury history. Brown is not that old but he has had injury problems.

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[quote=RobH4413;627712][URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true"]2010: An uncapped year odyssey[/URL]

grabbed this off a thread Schneed had started a little while back.

and quoting Schneed as well.

So... under my understanding. Free agency will not be very valuable at first, but over time as more and more contracts expire, players will be able to test the market? This shits kinda confusing. Anyone want to take a shot at clarifying this for me?


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found this Chris Samuels thread. Good info.[/quote]

The uncapped year might not have many big names out there, but I would guess there will be a no. of starter quality vets that want to get paid & get playing time. It might allow the danny to invest in some affordable quality vets the way the pats do, and the way denver did this year. He would be able to pay those guys more & bring them in.

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Id go after Fred Jackson from buffalo ans draft a running back like Noel Devine<he might be had in early second round.

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I like the way the Colts handle the RB position. They draft them and use them up in their prime while they are young and cheap and then they let them walk when they want that big second contract that will take them past 30. They let Edge & Rhodes walk in free agency and they will do the same with Addai in a couple years. RB's are a bad investment...they are at their best when they are young and hungry. Spend your big money on QB's and lineman.

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Yes, I can't remember any RB who was as good after being traded (Portis included). Usually the reason the RB is good is 75% the offensive line (unless your name is Adrian Peterson or Barry Sanders who don't need one)..

We all know this. Everyone knows this. If we want a running game, let's get serious. [U]Draft a BIG OT and offensive line[/U]. I'm tired of seeing people break through to stop our RB in the backfield, and see Portis trying to run through a wall of people. We can draft a RB later on once we've addressed the need.

Timmy Smith had an record-breaking Super Bowl for us. People outside of Redskin Nation probably have never heard of him - because it was our O-line & run-blocking schemes that gave him those yards.. (Go Gibbs!)

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[quote=FRPLG;627517][B]No. The days of RBs being important enough to commit major resources to are over. [/B]He's oldish, been injured and plays the easiest plug and play position in football. Plus his "amazingness" could be attributed to the gimmick offense they run.[/quote]

Excellent point, but let's hope Lil' Danny and Vinny agree -- those two bozos are about five years behind the times as it is.

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I agree that Brown has had too many injuries. Check out ATL's Jerrious Norwood. He is an explosive player that has been bulking up. Could be the next Turner like guy. They should try hard to keep him, but if he hits the market he could be an asset for years.
Also, with regards to quality free agents, LT Marcus McNeil, G Chris Snee, Sean Merrimon, and Julius Peppers are all hitting the market next year. It would not surprise me if the Danny gives several FAs front loaded contracts during an uncapped season.