What If The Redskins Beat Dallas?
 

Predictions aside, let's suppose it actually happens. The expectation game, the player bashing, and even Jim Zorn's very dim future here, potentially, gets turned on it's head. But this seems to be the Redskins method of operation over the past four or five years. No sooner than the ink begins to dry on the obituary, they have a knack for finding another gear, a ninth life, a reason to keep pushing and winning until the Fat Lady sings.

A victory against the Dallas Cowboys would be the best and worst of scenerios, all in one. Of course any day the Redskins go down to Texas and whoop the Cowboys in brand new Jerryland, it's a good thing. Monday morning quarterbacking suddenly becomes fun again. Redskins fans everywhere will blow the dust off those jerseys they packed away just a few weeks and celebrate with glee as if the team just secured a playoff berth. For one week everything will be restored and back to normal in D.C.

But here's the rub, a win would put the Redskins at 4-6 and now exists a glimmer of hope that they can maybe salvage the remainder of the season and finish strong. It's beginning to be common wisdom, however, that the last thing the Redskins need is a respectable finish to the season. From the most astute pundit to the most casual fan, both tend to agree that the Redskins need to blow things up in the offseason. Even another hundred yard performance by Ladell Betts won't cure the lack of depth along the offensive line. With the exception of the kicking game, special teams has been less than desirable. And the defense, as stout as it is most of the time, still has a penchant for giving up the big play. It's one thing for the team to go out and give a spirited effort week in and week out, it's another to understand that no matter what the roster still needs to be addressed through the draft and there needs to be a shift in organizational philosophy.

Dan Snyder was once quoted as saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it. A winning streak of any sort could be the very impediment to that mentality, which has held the organization back for so long. If the Reskins beat Dallas this Sunday, let's hope Mr. Snyder decides to break it no matter what.

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sandtrapjack will go missing.

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[quote=Buster;627552]sandtrapjack will go missing.[/quote]

We can only hope.

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If they beat them this week I'm likely to enjoy the up coming few weeks and forgive the losses we will surely incur when we play the Giants, Eagles, and Saints. Not making promises but if they beat them twice I might be inclined to look forward to next season and take interest in the team during the off season.

Zorn still needs to go...Moss too...ARE needs to get it...Rogers already shot himself so no need to worry about him.

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agree on all points....still, its hard not to root for the Skins to beat Dallas and make a run... wishfull thinking I know, but thats why we're fans.

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To sit around and think we need to loose is someting I could never do and sense I have a running $100 bet with my buddy one team will sweep I need us to beat Dallas at least one game to break even. I perfer us to win the first game because at that point I cannot loose anything and the second game is easier to watch.

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Beating Dallas won't heal all wounds of the season, it will give a glimmer of hope the rest of the way but there's still a lot of football to go.

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I can never root against the Skins, even if a 3 win season would be the best way to bring Snyder to his senses that his stewardship of this franchise has been a losing formula. If we beat Dallas, it will feel great of course. If we go on a win streak, and somehow finish 7-9 with a strong 2nd half, Snyder will see that as validation that Zorn was given a playoff caliber team that he coached out of the playoffs with losses to Detroit and KC. Snyder would be missing the bigger picture - we have never been a true contender since he has owned the team, and the instability he brings is a big reason why we won't compete with the upper echelon until he changes his ways. Winning starts at the top.

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If the Redskins get to 4-6, they'll start showing up in those "on the bubble" playoff pictures. But playoffs are only possible if we sweep the remaining division games.

Regardless, if people in the front office haven't already realized that short of being the best team in the NFL in the second half, this team isn't where people thought we would be, short-term optimism is the least of our concerns.

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If / when we beat dallas , it means ... they are who we thought they were ... losers !

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I get the feeling that some people are hoping for an all out crash and burn the rest of the way so there's a chance Snyder pulls the plug on Vinny, Zorn, etc.

I can't get behind that sort of thinking.

If the team is winning despite losing key guys like Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Portis etc., perhaps we should consider that the future isn't so bleak after all, and perhaps we do have some good depth and young stars on the rise.

Of course the offensive line still needs major attention for the future, I don't think that will change win or lose.

All that said, beating Denver really didn't change my view of the team or my expectations for the rest of the season. If the team plays well again in Dallas, I might start to change my mind.

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Won't matter because we still lost to Detroit and KC...those mistakes are still there, just covered up by one win.

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I think finishing strong will ultimately make for harder offseason decision for DS; fire vinny and/or Zorn? But I don't think the offseason personel decisions will be that much different, except for qb, depending on how JC plays.

The most ironic scenario is that Vinny is fired or demoted for a new GM, but Zorn remains. I don't think it's that unrealistic IF we finish strong, say at least 7-9.

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We still need to have major changes to this team, even if the Redskins finish strongly. I will say though, maybe if the team has a strong finish (say 7-9 or 8-8) maybe we consider keeping the same coaching regime, but getting rid of vinny and getting a better eye for on the field talent. Definitely need to build the offensive line, and we need another QB.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;627581]Won't matter because we still lost to Detroit and KC...those mistakes are still there, just covered up by one win.[/quote]

Wins over some quality playoff caliber teams will cancel those out, and again it's how you finish not how you start.

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Let's add to the what if...G men & Philly lose, which is not that much a stretch.

That would put us 1 game behind nyg & philly & 2 behind dallas. With 6 games left, that's not far out of the race. We like to think the nfc east is the toughest, but it might be a couple 9-7 teams at the top at season's end.

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[quote=Mattyk72;627578]I get the feeling that some people are hoping for an all out crash and burn the rest of the way so there's a chance Snyder pulls the plug on Vinny, Zorn, etc.

I can't get behind that sort of thinking.

If the team is winning despite losing key guys like Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Portis etc., perhaps we should consider that the future isn't so bleak after all, and perhaps we do have some good depth and young stars on the rise.

Of course the offensive line still needs major attention for the future, I don't think that will change win or lose.

All that said, beating Denver really didn't change my view of the team or my expectations for the rest of the season. If the team plays well again in Dallas, I might start to change my mind.[/quote]I can never root for the Skins to lose, even after they're mathematically eliminated. I am hoping for a significant change in FO philosphy to come out of this first half disaster. Lack of O-line depth has been a HUGE factor in our offensive woes. This was no surprise, most on this board have been calling for rebuilding O-line depth through the draft for a couple years now. Until we stop tossing draft picks like confetti, and trying to fill our holes through FA, we will continue to be borderline playoff contenders in our best years, and basement dwellers of the NFC East in our worst.

Thomas and Davis are beginning to show us glimpses of potential the last couple of weeks, which gives hope that we will have playmakers when the O-line is rebuilt.

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[quote=Mattyk72;627578]I get the feeling that some people are hoping for an all out crash and burn the rest of the way so there's a chance Snyder pulls the plug on Vinny, Zorn, etc.

I can't get behind that sort of thinking.

If the team is winning despite losing key guys like Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Portis etc., perhaps we should consider that the future isn't so bleak after all, and perhaps we do have some good depth and young stars on the rise.

Of course the offensive line still needs major attention for the future, I don't think that will change win or lose.

All that said, beating Denver really didn't change my view of the team or my expectations for the rest of the season. If the team plays well again in Dallas, I might start to change my mind.[/quote]

There's something to be said about having the younger players play once the season is over which it is for all intent and purposes.

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They are who we thought they were and we didn't let them off the hook will be my first words. LOL!!!

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i always see the glass half full, especially when playing Dallas. just like you said Matty. its not how you start...

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I want them to finish respectable. That means we fill the holes again, and keep building. I am not in the blow up the roster Snyder-like mentality camp. This ain't madden and our roster is not completely broken.

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[quote=Mattyk72;627578]I get the feeling that some people are hoping for an all out crash and burn the rest of the way so there's a chance Snyder pulls the plug on Vinny, Zorn, etc.

I can't get behind that sort of thinking.

If the team is winning despite losing key guys like Cooley, Samuels, Thomas, Portis etc., perhaps we should consider that the future isn't so bleak after all, and perhaps we do have some good depth and young stars on the rise.

Of course the offensive line still needs major attention for the future, I don't think that will change win or lose.

All that said, beating Denver really didn't change my view of the team or my expectations for the rest of the season. If the team plays well again in Dallas, I might start to change my mind.[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts. I mean imagine we somehow win out, consider all the key losses to injury and the strength of the remaining teams can we really say we are headed in the wrong direction. If anything that might be what we need.

Think about it this way, if we continue to see other backs outperform Portis I would think it would be a clear sign that maybe its time to move on from him. It works the same way with many of the older players. That is the one reason these last few weeks havent sucked as much as the first few weeks, we see a lot of our younger players and what exactly they offer us.

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If we win Zorn will go down in history as beating Dallas in the last Skins-cowboys game at texas stadium, and the first game at jerryworld! Regardless of any other facts, he would have that in the record books. Heck when all is said and done, that probably would be his legacy.

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Anyway even if Portis is down we get a new young running back in draft and still keep Portis. That seems the normal way things are done.

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It's just like my Drill Instructor told me, "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all be fat mother f**kers!"

Let's cross that bridge when we get there.

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Drink a beer and move to the next game.

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Here's the thing....the team is going to win against Dallas. Betts is going to run all over them and people are going to be all on the wagon again.

The running game will hide Campbell's problems. Portis will come back and the running game is gone again, Campbell plays like normal and then everybody gets all negative again.

Sorry guys, but if we finish 9-7 or 8-8, people are gonna say that we are just a player or 2 away from making a superbowl run...we need a 3-13 or 4-12 season so that the team completley starts over....thats the only way we will get these old overpaid players out of here, and bring in guys who just want to play....

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[quote=12thMan;627550] Dan Snyder was once quoted as saying, if it ain't broke don't fix it. A winning streak of any sort could be the very impediment to that mentality, which has held the organization back for so long. If the Reskins beat Dallas this Sunday, let's hope Mr. Snyder decides to break it no matter what.[/quote]

what about marty he sure did "try to fix" that and royaly screwed this franchise up that was the begining of the fall right there

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[quote=SolidSnake84;627684]Here's the thing....the team is going to win against Dallas. Betts is going to run all over them and people are going to be all on the wagon again.

The running game will hide Campbell's problems. Portis will come back and the running game is gone again, Campbell plays like normal and then everybody gets all negative again.

Sorry guys, but if we finish 9-7 or 8-8, people are gonna say that we are just a player or 2 away from making a superbowl run...we need a 3-13 or 4-12 season so that the team completley starts over....thats the only way we will get these old overpaid players out of here, and bring in guys who just want to play....[/quote]

Loosers only hope for loosing. L

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Should we be fortunate enough to win a few more games in impressive fashion, complacency may set in and management may begin to think we're actually better than we are. Sad thing to imagine winning being anything other than a good thing.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;627642]Drink a beer and move to the next game.[/quote]
Love it.

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Portis has hurt this team all year and when he goes crying to DS that he wants his starting spot back he will hurt us once again. There is no stoping it Zorn already said he is the starter. Betts and Rock just proved that practicing with your team helps your team(PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT).Portis is this attention hugry Starlet that is loosing her popularity, he will do anything for the attention him getting that concussion was the best thing that has happened to us all year.

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[quote=firstdown;627717]Loosers only hope for loosing. L[/quote]

I agree fully with this statment

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[quote=warpaint;627737]Portis has hurt this team all year and when he goes crying to DS that he wants his starting spot back he will hurt us once again. There is no stoping it Zorn already said he is the starter. Betts and Rock just proved that practicing with your team helps your team(PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT).Portis is this attention hugry Starlet that is loosing her popularity, he will do anything for the attention him getting that concussion was the best thing that has happened to us all year.[/quote]

once again i agree, i really don't want cp coming back right now, our o is almost firing on all cylinders right now i'd like to see them keep doing what they are doing

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[quote=mlmdub130;627747]once again i agree, i really don't want cp coming back right now, our o is almost firing on all cylinders right now i'd like to see them keep doing what they are doing[/quote]

They way they are running the ball and hitting those holes. Man if we would have not relied on Portis so much this year we easily could be in first in our divison.

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I'll be one happy SOB.

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"What If The Redskins Beat Dallas?"

What do you mean, "What If?" Your question should read: "When we beat Dallas.... what will happen next?

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[quote=backrow;627757]"What If The Redskins Beat Dallas?"

What do you mean, "What If?" [B]Your question should read: "When we beat Dallas.... what will happen next[/B]?[/quote]

:woot: Tell it backrow! It's Dallas week. Let's get this party started!!!

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To me, the worst scenario is getting swept by Dallas and barely missing the playoffs resulting in getting average picks and a tough schedule the following year.

As much as I don't like getting crushed...at least when you have no shot, you don't have a heart attack and you can dream of a favorable schedule and a solid draft to create dreams of fancy for the future.

Sometimes it is better to have long term hope that to be short term desperate.
Right now, that is how I look at it.

I have always believed, if you don't make the playoffs, at least beat Dallas...it is still a successful season

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Also...
The Skins had 1 solid game in oh...about a year.
There is no way this team goes on a tear.....I said 6-10 before the season and that looks about right...the cool part is this...that still allows a SWEEP of DALLAS.

Based on momentum right now...this is the BEST time for the Skins to play dallas at their new stadium. Remember when they were inducting the cowboys at halftime on monday night?....they were having a party....then....MOSS DEEP!! total devistation!

Wonderful

The Skins are primed to pull off a dallas Upset this week....just think of how wonderful the pain will be for the Cowgirls!

I am as giddy "as a little girl" just thinking about it!!

[B][COLOR="Red"]DESTROY DALLAS!!![/COLOR][/B]
they deserve it!