Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs.Cowboys)
 

What a frustrating game that was. That was right down there with the 0-4 Redskins falling to the 0-4 Cowboys on Monday Night Football back in 2001. I think the score may have been the same, or close to it.

There are positives we can take from this game. But no one wants to hear that, especially not in this thread. So let's start smacking people down.

[B]Rocky McIntosh[/B] That was painful watching him Carlos that interception. Just brutal

[B]Injuries[/B] Feel awful for Chad Rinehart and Betts. Betts is done for the year (I believe) and Chad could be too. Welcome back Marcus Mason! And you know I'm a big Edwin Williams fan, and I thought he held up fairly well. Still, for the sake of his and the line's development, we need Chad in there.

[B]Shaun Suisham[/B] Let me be clear here, I'm only smacking him for the missed field goal at the end of the 1st half. The entire final 45 seconds of the half should get smacked-from Zorn on down to the referees it was just ugly. It was a microcosm of the game

[B]Stupid GameDay Posts[/B] Some people are ridiculous. I find myself wanting to win more so to shut up fellow Redskins fans than fans of other teams.

[B]Forcing Suisham to Attempt a 50 Yard Field Goal[/B] Notice I didn't say the miss. The problem was what happened before the miss. We're up 6-0 on the road in the 4th quarter and we're 3-6. Additionally, our QB has been perfect (I think 10-10) on 3rd down all day. You've just run it twice to force a 3 and 2. The minute Campbell handed the ball off to Rock I was against that decision. Again, we're 3-6. And we just ran it twice.

Why not show some aggression, some fire, some passion, some desire to put the game away and win (not just not lose)? Play action pass that sucker. Go 5 wide. Whatever. Just don't do another simple draw again. And I know the response is "well what about a turnover or sack?" To which I say "3-6. Take some damn chances!"

Well, it's on to Philly now. And I guess one positive is this should allay fears people had that we might start winning and Vinny and Zorn would stay

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excellent post and points!

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Should have run a play right before the half instead of kicking the FG with 15 ticks still on the clock. Go endzone, be aggressive.

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"Watching him Carlos that interception." LMAO!!

Totally agree about forcing him to kick the 50 yarder. I also don't agree with kicking the field goal with 15 seconds on 3rd down. Take a shot at the endzone. If we don't score, then kick it.

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[quote=Mattyk72;629246]Should have run a play right before the half instead of kicking the FG with 15 ticks still on the clock. Go endzone, be aggressive.[/quote]

I just don't understand it? They had time to take a shot and kick the FG?

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[quote=Mattyk72;629246]Should have run a play right before the half instead of kicking the FG with 15 ticks still on the clock. Go endzone, be aggressive.[/quote]

I never understood why teams play so safe when there pretty much eliminated from the playoffs. Show some killer instinct. I wanna see the kids play, bring on Kevin Barnes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629234]What a frustrating game that was. That was right down there with the 0-4 Redskins falling to the 0-4 Cowboys on Monday Night Football back in 2001. I think the score may have been the same, or close to it.

There are positives we can take from this game. But no one wants to hear that, especially not in this thread. So let's start smacking people down.

[B]Rocky McIntosh[/B] That was painful watching him Carlos that interception. Just brutal

[B]Injuries[/B] Feel awful for Chad Rinehart and Betts. Betts is done for the year (I believe) and Chad could be too. Welcome back Marcus Mason! And you know I'm a big Edwin Williams fan, and I thought he held up fairly well. Still, for the sake of his and the line's development, we need Chad in there.

[B]Shaun Suisham[/B] Let me be clear here, I'm only smacking him for the missed field goal at the end of the 1st half. The entire final 45 seconds of the half should get smacked-from Zorn on down to the referees it was just ugly. It was a microcosm of the game

[B]Stupid GameDay Posts[/B] Some people are ridiculous. I find myself wanting to win more so to shut up fellow Redskins fans than fans of other teams.

[B]Forcing Suisham to Attempt a 50 Yard Field Goal[/B] Notice I didn't say the miss. The problem was what happened before the miss. [B]We're up 6-0 on the road in the 4th quarter and we're 3-6. Additionally, our QB has been perfect (I think 10-10) on 3rd down all day. You've just run it twice to force a 3 and 2. The minute Campbell handed the ball off to Rock I was against that decision. Again, we're 3-6. And we just ran it twice. [/B]

Why not show some aggression, some fire, some passion, some desire to put the game away and win (not just not lose)? Play action pass that sucker. Go 5 wide. Whatever. Just don't do another simple draw again. And I know the response is "well what about a turnover or sack?" To which I say "3-6. Take some damn chances!"

Well, it's on to Philly now. And I guess one positive is this should allay fears people had that we might start winning and Vinny and Zorn would stay[/quote]

See that is pure 100% coaching and that's the kind of stuff we saw from Gibbs 2....playing not to lose. How about a play action bootleg in that situation? You must think 7 instead of 3. You can't win kicking FG's....simply a terrible call.

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I liked both the calls.On the series before the half,I absolutely did not want us to run another play.Have you seen us this yr? JC would have been sacked and the clock would have run out.On the draw play,I liked that call also,sometimes that play breaks,sometimes it doesnt.If Jc is sacked on any one of those plays,we dont even attempt a fg,and lets face it,with this patchwork off line that is a VERY real possibility on every play.Furthermore if Jc is sacked on either one of those plays your screaming "we should have just kicked it,or we should have run it" Shuisham has to make those kicks,especially the 50 yarder.Thats what you do,get paid to make game winning fgs,and 50 yrders are not that long in todays NFL,he has the leg,theres no wind and its indoors,wtf!make the kick

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How about Carter and Orakpo? Where was the pressure we got used to seeing?

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[quote=Beemnseven;629286]How about Carter and Orakpo? Where was the pressure we got used to seeing?[/quote]

No Haynesworth, no pressure

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;629248]I just don't understand it? They had time to take a shot and kick the FG?[/quote]
Seems like we never run post corner or fade , which is simple to execute , three steps - throw ball to back cone - wr catch ball= TD .

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A very enjoyable review to a lousy game! SS just coined a new term LOL at least haven't heard anyone say it before.

...today's offense looked a lot like Zorn's offense i.e. pre-Sherm Lewis.

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Oh, and those God-awful all burgundy uniforms. Enough of those, please.

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Nice post Smoot !

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[quote=htownskinfan;629285]I liked both the calls.On the series before the half,I absolutely did not want us to run another play.Have you seen us this yr? JC would have been sacked and the clock would have run out.On the draw play,I liked that call also,sometimes that play breaks,sometimes it doesnt.If Jc is sacked on any one of those plays,we dont even attempt a fg,and lets face it,with this patchwork off line that is a VERY real possibility on every play.Furthermore if Jc is sacked on either one of those plays your screaming "we should have just kicked it,or we should have run it" Shuisham has to make those kicks,especially the 50 yarder.Thats what you do,get paid to make game winning fgs,and 50 yrders are not that long in todays NFL,he has the leg,theres no wind and its indoors,wtf!make the kick[/quote]

So you're cool with coaching and calling the game scared.. Gotcha.. At some point you have to try to win games, not hope to avoid losing them.

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We are att he bottom of the div, why not go for the endzone with 15 sec left? Zorn is coaching scared and we lost from a result....that and missing 2 fg's and dropping a int. I was disguisted after the game, i had to put my newborn son down and go outside to do a couple of walks around the house. hats off to the defense and the offense did ok considering the injuries, but we have to pull that one out.

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i would rather the skins punted the ball instead of trying to kick a 50 yard fg. long missed field goals almost always lead to the other team getting points (i'd love to see some stats on that). i knew the skins would run that draw play on 3rd down (horrible and very predictable call) i also knew the skins would miss the long fg and dallas would then drive down and score. the outcome of that game was so predictable.

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I agree, i told my wife when dallas got the ball that the skins would lose 7-6. she laughed and said there was still time. I told her she was not familiar with how we do things here lately.

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[quote=Mattyk72;629246]Should have run a play right before the half instead of kicking the FG with 15 ticks still on the clock. Go endzone, be aggressive.[/quote]

Especially after the fiasco with Riveron and his band of idiots (hands down the worst team in the NFL ... I hate when I see they are calling a game and I've been saying that long before todays cluster f). Suisham had been standing on the field for what, 10 minutes? Run another play, if for no other reason than resetting the kicking unit. Even if you just throw the ball away. I guess Zorn was worried about Campbell getting quick pressure and taking a sack. That would be my guess.

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during the referee boondoggle, All i was thinking is, come on Zorn draw up the perfect play.

Actually I was thinking that Marko at the back of the endzone would be an excellent site...

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I really hope people don't start blaming Suisham for this loss. Suisham isn't the reason we lost today. When you have to pin all of your hopes on the kicker, there are some serious underlying problems.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;629296]We are att he bottom of the div, why not go for the endzone with 15 sec left? Zorn is coaching scared and we lost from a result....that and missing 2 fg's and dropping a int. I was disguisted after the game, i had to put my newborn son down and go outside to do a couple of walks around the house. hats off to the defense and the offense did ok considering the injuries, but we have to pull that one out.[/quote]

I didn't have a problem with the call at the end of the half. We're on or around the 20 yard line. What are the chances of us scoring a TD? Very very slim to none. My problem was the 3rd and 2 give up draw play.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;629300]I agree, i told my wife when dallas got the ball that the skins would lose 7-6. she laughed and said there was still time. I told her she was not familiar with how we do things here lately.[/quote]

Yep, the three guys I was watching the game with all agreed -- we would lose 7-6. Damn if it didn't happen.

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[quote=Beemnseven;629305]I really hope people don't start blaming Suisham for this loss. Suisham isn't the reason we lost today. When you have to pin all of your hopes on the kicker, there are some serious underlying problems.[/quote]

I agree. TD's win football games, not FG's. But the 39 yarder was terrible. Gotta make that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;629304]during the referee boondoggle, All i was thinking is, come on Zorn draw up the perfect play.
[B]
Actually I was thinking that Marko at the back of the endzone would be an excellent site...[/B][/quote]

That's exactly what I said to my fiancee. Throw a fade to one of our big WRs. If it doesn't work, then attempt the FG on 4th down.

I wonder if it was Sherm Lewis or Zorn making that call.

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Zorn said in his presser that he didn't want to risk a sack or catching it in bounds so he made the call to kick it. First the pass should only go in the endzone or through the endzone. it was an over cautious call by Zorn in a situation that called for "managed" risk.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;629312]Zorn said in his presser that he didn't want to risk a sack or catching it in bounds so he made the call to kick it. First the pass should only go in the endzone or through the endzone. it was an over cautious call by Zorn in a situation that called for "managed" risk.[/quote]

Newsflash: Zorn is incompetent!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;629304]during the referee boondoggle, All i was thinking is, come on Zorn draw up the perfect play.

[B]Actually I was thinking that Marko at the back of the endzone would be an excellent site.[/B]..[/quote]

was marko active? i didn't see him once today if he was

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[quote=skinsfan69;629310]I agree. TD's win football games, not FG's. But the 39 yarder was terrible. [B]Gotta make that[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

Not Suisham's fault. Danny Smith shouldn't have kept Suisham on the field for 10-15 minutes while the refs conferred. He should have called Suisham to the sidelines to kick a few into the net to stay loose.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;629248]I just don't understand it? They had time to take a shot and kick the FG?[/quote]Yeah, I was trying to explain why they would want to try to kick the FG on 3-and-1 with 15 seconds left to my sister, and mid-way through my attempt I just said "Actually, you're right. This makes NO sense."

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Somebody beat me to it, but I'd smack down the Burgundy on Burgundy unis -- 0 for 2 wearing those.

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[quote=Mattyk72;629246]Should have run a play right before the half instead of kicking the FG with 15 ticks still on the clock. Go endzone, be aggressive.[/quote]

Yep, instead of calling TO we should've spiked it. Took at shot at the end zone, then kicked it if we didn't make it. That was a Zorn decision I believe.

And on forcing Suisham to kick it, from Smoot's post, I agree.. horrible playcalling.. I was like NOOOO as soon as I saw the play start and knew what was going on. Either way.. Suish missed wide TWICE today.. and not just on a 50 yarder.. so he gets smacked on BOTH

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[quote=WaldSkins;629249]I never understood why teams play so safe when there pretty much eliminated from the playoffs. Show some killer instinct. I wanna see the kids play, bring on Kevin Barnes.[/quote]
Barnes was actually inactive.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;629336]Yeah, I was trying to explain why they would want to try to kick the FG on 3-and-1 with 15 seconds left to my sister, [B]and mid-way through my attempt I just said "Actually, you're right. This makes NO sense."[/B][/quote]

I hate when i am defending something or other, and suddenly the light goes off and i realize --- wait the action is wrong and i sound silly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;629304]during the referee boondoggle, All i was thinking is, come on Zorn draw up the perfect play.

[B]Actually I was thinking that Marko at the back of the endzone would be an excellent site[/B]...[/quote]

I was thinking the same thing. It seems like the coaching staff would think of that once in awhile. What was the point of doing it in preseason?

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Yeah field goal with 15 sec. was kinda upsetting. However, P.Manning would have been able to get 4 downs out of it.

Torn between wishing for a win or a loss. Dallas week gotta root for the win.

I'm absolutly not a fan of Rock but good job. Filled in admirably. Good job Swish, you've hit everyone until today and a 50 yrder is hard. Good job Fletcher, and the defense as a whole.

9-7 is the best we can do right now. Could we get to the play offs at 9-7? Yes. Will we? No. We would have to win out. What's the saying "6 in a row or we won't go?" LOL. So if we can agree we are not making it can we start all the young guys to give them experience? maybe bring up the 3rd string QB and bench Collins. Give the young guy 1 quarter just to see if he's worth keeping. bring up the 4th string WR. Play all the young CB's we'll need for them to step up next yr.

I think we could use Thomas as KR from now on since he did well. I guess everyone forgot about Ganther. I suppose he will have to step up. We'll finally get to see what we have in E.Williams unless there was an injury to him that I was unaware of?

and I guess there will be some new additions this week, most likely a RB, and OL.

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For once I just wish we had 3 time outs at the end of the game. We should have been left with about 1 minute left for a drive & score.

I'd rather take a delay of game and 5 yards in the 3rd quarter than LOSE because we can't stop the stupid clock with 1:45 to go.

New coach.
Top 6 draft pick.

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[quote=ethat001;629423]For once I just wish we had 3 time outs at the end of the game. We should have been left with about 1 minute left for a drive & score.

I'd rather take a delay of game and 5 yards in the 3rd quarter than LOSE because we can't stop the stupid clock with 1:45 to go.

New coach.
Top 6 draft pick.[/quote]

A drive and score? we scored 6 points all game and you think if we got the ball back with about a minute left we would drive 70 yards for the score????

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pussy playcalling will always kill ya. the coaching staff let the team down this week

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I'm still smacking Suisham... maybe its my pre-disposed biasness against him, and I understand the second one is far feild goal...but you're indoors, no wind, or any factors like that... there is no excuse for you to miss a 39 yard feild goal...

More than anything, I'm just sick of watching this guy miss every meaningful kick, ever. I feel like he starts every season off the same, booming kickoffs, doing well on feild goals, then mis year it just becomes a disaster.