Cerrato's Not (Just) Incompetent - He's Oblivious (Offensive Line / Dysfunctional Coaching Staff Related)
 

I can't even begin to describe this recount of part of Cerrato's radio show last Friday morning, so i'll just provide the link.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/11/cerrato_discusses_an_aging_off.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Cerrato discusses an aging offensive line[/url]

Cerrato needs to go. If Snyder doesn't fire him, then he's even more oblivious than Cerrato.

Oh, and if you aren't tired of shaking your head in disgust at this team, check out Steinberg's preceding bog entry entitled Zorn: "It is Bleak." Zorn has had most of his duties stripped of him, so you would think he would be really good at the few jobs he had left, right?... right?...

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This is bad humor. :doh:

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I'm not sure where Cerrato says here that the Redskins don't have similar problems. On a side note, I'm still not sure why the Redskins (Cerrato) picked up a veteran starting G/T in Jeremy Bridges and he couldn't crack the final roster. On a side to the side note, it is kind of funny to read in this forum today about how much the Redskins suffered from losing Rinehart to injury when many of those people have spent the last two years calling him a bum who shouldn't be on the team anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629623]I'm not sure where Cerrato says here that the Redskins don't have similar problems. On a side note, I'm still not sure why the Redskins (Cerrato) picked up a veteran starting G/T in Jeremy Bridges and he couldn't crack the final roster. [B]On a side to the side note, it is kind of funny to read in this forum today about how much the Redskins suffered from losing Rinehart to injury when many of those people have spent the last two years calling him a bum who shouldn't be on the team anyway.[/B][/quote]

I think the same thing when folks talk about building up the offensive line, yet they want to pick up a QB with the first round pick.

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I'm one of those who would like for the Redskins to very strongly consider taking a QB in the first round. But that doesn't mean I don't want to build the line as well.

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Actually, this interview fits perfectly because in Cerrato's mind, he apparently thought our offensive line was in great shape.

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[quote=Ruhskins;629626]I think the same thing when folks talk about building up the offensive line, yet they want to pick up a QB with the first round pick.[/quote]

^This is what baffles me? Would you rather have an excellent QB who is not getting the ball off in time before the rush gets to him or gets sacked or is running for his life or would you be willing to for go the QB position for one yr and build up the OL some so the QB, whoever is behind center, has more time to throw and not getting creamed?

I imagine JC is gone after this season. Snyder is not impressed with JC and JC is not impressed with how he was handled this off season. So I doubt he stays....unless whoever is the new HC seriously talks DS and JC into keeping JC on this team. Which I doubt will happen.

It's now painfully obvious we need young healthy talent on the O-line. Can we atleast build that up so no matter who is QBing or RBing is going to do half decent?

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Another question I have been pondering......maybe I'm crazy.....but I think we all know there's different styles to how the O-line blocks. Proven by when Levi came to us he said he would have to re-learn a blocking scheme he learned in college and took him to the pro's, but he hadn't used since college.

Is there a possibility that Buges scheme is out dated, or possibly the cause of all the O-line injuries?

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[quote=SmootSmack;629629]I'm one of those who would like for the Redskins to very strongly consider taking a QB in the first round. But that doesn't mean I don't want to build the line as well.[/quote]

Its still too early to say what we should do because we have no idea of knowing who our next coach will be or what type of offense we will run, or what players will become available in FA or by trade... but if the CBA is not extended, as much as I hate to say it, Jason Cambell will be the best QB "available." Right now i'm thinking the course of wisdom may be to get some o-linemen, retain campbell on the cheap, and let him hold down the fort for 2010 and then get a QB in 2011.

As much as I don't like Campbell in the long-term, he's played in enough systems that he should do ok at managing the game no matter what system we run in 2010.

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What do we have to gain from keeping Campbell just for one more year to hold down the fort? Either fully commit to him long-term or make the switch now (now meaning end of the season). Sure, maybe Clausen or Bradford or whoever takes his lumps in 2010. But that's fine if it means our QB is a step ahead of the curve come 2011.

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If we don't get some studs on o-line I don't think it matters who the QB is. Retain JC and draft some linemen. [B]IF[/B] JC doesn't play well next year, draft a QB in 2011 and the linemen will be in their second year. When is the "I don't mind losing for a couple of years if we're building our team to be consistently good for the future" going to happen?

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[quote=Beemnseven;629630]Actually, this interview fits perfectly because in Cerrato's mind, he apparently thought our offensive line was in great shape.[/quote]
I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him.

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[quote=firstdown;629655]I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him.[/quote]

I could see parting ways with both of them.

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I think the FO believes Buges could make anyone a servicable o-linemen. Why waste draft picks on them? I would like to see the line he puts together with some really talented guys myself.

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[quote=53Fan;629661]I think the FO believes [B]Buges could make anyone a servicable o-linemen[/B]. Why waste draft picks on them? I would like to see the line he puts together with some really talented guys myself.[/quote]

Perhaps, but that doesn't explain why they didn't get any last year in the draft. Everyone knew we had a glarring need on the O?

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[quote=SBXVII;629635]^This is what baffles me? Would you rather have an excellent QB who is not getting the ball off in time before the rush gets to him or gets sacked or is running for his life or would you be willing to for go the QB position for one yr and build up the OL some so the QB, whoever is behind center, has more time to throw and not getting creamed?

I imagine JC is gone after this season. Snyder is not impressed with JC and JC is not impressed with how he was handled this off season. So I doubt he stays....unless whoever is the new HC seriously talks DS and JC into keeping JC on this team. Which I doubt will happen.

It's now painfully obvious we need young healthy talent on the O-line. Can we atleast build that up so no matter who is QBing or RBing is going to do half decent?[/quote]

I hear you but let me be the devil's advocate for a sec. It's too early to decide on QB/OL, but just for speculation. Again, i don't know how talented any of the QB's that are coming out and i don't know where we are going to pick either. Let's just say though you have the chance to draft a QB w/ a very high ceiling. Maybe a Rivers, P Manning, Brees, Ben R, etc. I think you may have to jump on that opportunity. Do they all work out? No. Could you imagine us being the team who passed said QB?

Not saying we absolutely have to draft a QB. If ones out there that we're high on, we may want to. Don't totally just nix the QB idea.

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[B]firstdown: I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him. [/B]

Please don't make any excuses up for Cerrato. Don't give him any amunition for DS to want to retain him one more year.

[B]Trample: I could see parting ways with both of them.[/B]

As much as I have liked Buges in the past....I have to agree now. I think our O-line needs a make over with young healthy talented players with a whole different blocking scheme. Maybe the injury bug will go away.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;629665]Perhaps, but that doesn't explain why they didn't get any last year in the draft. Everyone knew we had a glarring need on the O?[/quote]

I agree. But they give Buges crap and expect him to turn it into gold. The result? Look at our line.

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[quote=redsk1;629669]I hear you but let me be the devil's advocate for a sec. It's too early to decide on QB/OL, but just for speculation. Again, i don't know how talented any of the QB's that are coming out and i don't know where we are going to pick either. Let's just say though you have the chance to draft a QB w/ a very high ceiling. Maybe a Rivers, P Manning, Brees, Ben R, etc. I think you may have to jump on that opportunity. Do they all work out? No. Could you imagine us being the team who passed said QB?

Not saying we absolutely have to draft a QB. If ones out there that we're high on, we may want to. Don't totally just nix the QB idea.[/quote]

No I haven't. The glaring need is OL but I know that if we are picking in the top 6 and a top notch QB is available we will pick them. I can't see any HC whoever comes in passing on bringing in "his" QB for "his" system. Levi I think will do well for atleast 3 more years. Heck Jansen is what? 32- 34? Levi still has some time. If not injured.

If QB is the way they will go then 2nd round pick a RT. Pick up a late round RB. Pick up some more OL, maybe a SAM, and maybe another CB. Let all the UFA's know we will conduct an OL camp to see who will be the OL in 2010. Come one come all.

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[quote=SBXVII;629670][B]firstdown: I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him. [/B]

Please don't make any excuses up for Cerrato. Don't give him any amunition for DS to want to retain him one more year.

[B]Trample: I could see parting ways with both of them.[/B]

As much as I have liked Buges in the past....I have to agree now. I think our O-line needs a make over with young healthy talented players with a whole different blocking scheme. Maybe the injury bug will go away.[/quote]

I don't make excuses for people but I do feel that buges has some role in us not addressing our line problems.

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[quote=53Fan;629674]I agree. But they give Buges crap and expect him to turn it into gold. The result? Look at our line.[/quote]

No doubt, but I don't think he should be absolved of this.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;629694]No doubt, but I don't think he should be absolved of this.[/quote]

I understand what you're saying Tramp. I just think Buges mindset is, no excuses, I'll make do with what I have. The FO knows Buges will give it his best shot but should be smart enough to know he doesn't have much to work with. Considering what he's had this year, it's amazing we're even close in any games. I'd hate to be JC playing behind these guys. Somehow he hasn't been killed yet and maybe some of that credit should go to Buges. Just a thought.

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[quote=SBXVII;629675]No I haven't. The glaring need is OL but I know that if we are picking in the top 6 and a top notch QB is available we will pick them. I can't see any HC whoever comes in passing on bringing in "his" QB for "his" system. Levi I think will do well for atleast 3 more years. Heck Jansen is what? 32- 34? Levi still has some time. If not injured.

If QB is the way they will go then 2nd round pick a RT. Pick up a late round RB. Pick up some more OL, maybe a SAM, and maybe another CB. Let all the UFA's know we will conduct an OL camp to see who will be the OL in 2010. Come one come all.[/quote]

Yea, obviously one way or another we've got to bring in some young talent on the OL. This is going to take some time. It's going to take a few years of shrewd moves by our FO to get us out of what we're in right now. That would be by our new FO guys. Hopefully..

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[quote=firstdown;629685]I don't make excuses for people but I do feel that buges has some role in us not addressing our line problems.[/quote]

If Ceratto was a good GM he would make his own decisions regardless of what his coaches tell him. Bugel is not a GM. Is Cerratto now the O-line coach?
You take your coaches player evaluations and you make your own assessment from that. Ceratto's eyes work don't they? I guess not, since he has to depend on Bugel for all of his O-line assessments.
We had just come off a 2008 season where our running game and O-line fell apart as the season wore on. Add to that our O-line is old and injury prone. That same line is now a year older (in 2009) and not getting any younger. Did he not think the same thing would happen again a year later? Which it did.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629623]I'm not sure where Cerrato says here that the Redskins don't have similar problems. On a side note, I'm still not sure why the Redskins (Cerrato) picked up a veteran starting G/T in Jeremy Bridges and he couldn't crack the final roster. On a side to the side note, it is kind of funny to read in this forum today about how much the Redskins suffered from losing Rinehart to injury when many of those people have spent the last two years calling him a bum who shouldn't be on the team anyway.[/quote]

I also thought it was odd that Bridges didn't stick here. We sure could have used him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629649]What do we have to gain from keeping Campbell just for one more year to hold down the fort? Either fully commit to him long-term or make the switch now (now meaning end of the season). Sure, maybe Clausen or Bradford or whoever takes his lumps in 2010. But that's fine if it means our QB is a step ahead of the curve come 2011.[/quote]

I agree 100% with your logic in theory - but not when it comes to our situation in 2010.

If we draft a top QB in the draft next year, there's no way we should start him behind a line as bad as this one... it would just be too much to ask of a rookie QB. Besides, none of the top QBs in this draft impress me as being "NFL-ready." There's potential there, sure - but i wouldnt be confident investing a top 10 pick in any of them. My opinion may change as the draft approaches (it always does), but at this point, thats how i feel. Sanchez seemed more NFL-ready in college than any of these guys and look how he's playing in his rookie season.

Keeping Campbell for another year wouldnt do a thing for the franchise or Campbell in 2010 - it would just allow us to remain competitive while redshirting whatever QB we draft before he took over in 2011.

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It isn't worth drafting a good QB if we're simply going to stick him behind a bad line. It's bad policy. Build a line first. We can start positive momentum and maybe even win games with a good line and a half average QB. We'll be back here again in 5 years if try to win with a bad line and a good QB. Done smartly we can rebuild our line in one year. ONE YEAR. Once that is in place we'd have a solid set of TEs and maybe one starting level WR out of the crew we currently have. Add a RB, one of the easiest spots to replace, especially with a good line, a good wr and even an average QB can score 21 a game with that. Try it the other way around and we're back to square one. Build from the line up please please please.

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ahahaha what a dumbass? I cannot believe this guy was hired, he has the iq of a piece of broccolli

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[quote=Mattyk72;629711]I also thought it was odd that Bridges didn't stick here. We sure could have used him.[/quote]If you put a face on every Redskins season since 2004, this year's face would be Mike Williams. A guy who was signed at basically no cost, and then the organization decided for some ungodly reason that it had really found something and could use this reclaimation project to help build the next great era of Redskins football.

He first started when this was a 2-2 team that could have gone either way, and started four consecutive games, all of which losses, and never really underachieved expectations, he was just what everyone thought he would be. And he played a big role on this offense, for no real good reason.

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[quote=FRPLG;629714]It isn't worth drafting a good QB if we're simply going to stick him behind a bad line. It's bad policy. Build a line first. We can start positive momentum and maybe even win games with a good line and a half average QB. We'll be back here again in 5 years if try to win with a bad line and a good QB. Done smartly we can rebuild our line in one year. ONE YEAR. Once that is in place we'd have a solid set of TEs and maybe one starting level WR out of the crew we currently have. Add a RB, one of the easiest spots to replace, especially with a good line, a good wr and even an average QB can score 21 a game with that. Try it the other way around and we're back to square one. Build from the line up please please please.[/quote]

Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?

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[quote=SmootSmack;629732]Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?[/quote]

Yeah I think talking in such absolutes, as I have and others too, isn't very realistic. It's going to come down to making the best decisions we can given the situation. If we can land a starting T and G later in the draft and there is a stud QB there for us then yeah we do it.But it's probably more likely the the least risky route is to get a good T in 1 and go from there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629732]Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?[/quote]

That depends on who's making the pick IMO. If it's Vinny, yeah we do. He only seems to be good in the first and seventh.

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[quote=firstdown;629655]I have heard Buges several times before this season and last season saying how strong we where along the O line. That leads me to believe that just maybe Buges could be part of the problem and Cerrato not persuing more lines players based of what Buges is telling him.[/quote]
Either that or he just doesn't want to publicly say that he only has scrubs to deal with.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629732]Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?[/quote]

your logic scares me, knock it off, we don't like that kinda thinkin around here

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[quote=SmootSmack;629732][B]Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line?[/B] Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?[/quote]

If we want players the caliber of Russell Okung we do. Why not try to get the best o-line we can for once?

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[quote=53Fan;629784]If we want players the caliber of Russell Okung we do. Why not try to get the best o-line we can for once?[/quote]

Especially given the success of first-round tackles over the past couple of seasons, I don't see why we can't get a franchise tackle.

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Do we want one stud or quality across the line, depth included?

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[quote=Ruhskins;629801]Especially given the success of first-round tackles over the past couple of seasons, I don't see why we can't get a franchise tackle.[/quote]

:goodjob: The tackle position is not only important, it also has a relatively high percentage of draft success, as you indicate.

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[quote=SmootSmack;629803]Do we want one stud or quality across the line, depth included?[/quote]

I think both...however, given the fact that we haven't been able to produce a tackle of the future with the young players we've brought in and that we lost our franchise tackle, I believe we need a stud tackle.

We also need management competent enough to add depth during the lower rounds and/or free agency (like what Parcells did in Miami).

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;629732]Do we need to draft an OL in the first round though to build the line? Why can't we draft OL in the 2nd round, trade for a pick in the 3rd and draft another there (RB in the 4th), OL in the 5th round?[/QUOTE]

If we only needed DEPTH along the O-line, I would agree with you. However, we don't JUST need depth. We also need multiple STARTERS along the line.

Personally, I think our best bet is to trade down (what else is new?) in the first round, pick up a 2nd rounder and then use our first 3 picks (all in rounds 1 and 2) on a starting OT, a QB who can start in 2011, and another OL. Its going to take us a couple of years to fix this thing, so we might as well do it right. Our first priorities are drafting a QB of the future (not the present) and building a solid offensive line (starters - rounds 1-2) with good depth (backups - developmental guys in rounds 3-7).