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So with another disappointing about to end and looking back at the past ten years under Mr. Snyder and all of the disappointments throughout his tenure, and despite the few good seasons, when do you see the Redskins returning to prominence?

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To be honest, after this season, I really think he's going to get his head out of his ass and actual get rid of Cerrato, find a GM and actually get a coach. I think not hiring Greg Williams has taught him a lesson, or hopefully it has.

I said we would start winning in about 5 years, this would have been in 2007 and I think I'll stand by that. Not saying we're going to be Super Bowl contenders, but I feel that we'll have the right tools and should have a QB and an offensive line by then that know the game well.

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Prominence as in winning a Super Bowl?

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prols 3 years if cerrato leaves after this season

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Magic 8 ball says reply hazy, try again

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[quote=duetsch215;633242]So with another disappointing about to end and looking back at the past ten years under Mr. Snyder and all of the disappointments throughout his tenure, and despite the few good seasons, when do you see the Redskins returning to prominence?[/quote]

Next year, but only if the OL is addressed, Campbell is brought back, Vinny is whacked and a new GM/coach are hired. These team has a lot of promising young players and a sound defense. Hell, even if Zorn is retained and the OL is fixed I believe we could win.

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[B][url=http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/12/02/riggo-and-posts-sally-jenkins-on-dan-snyder.html]Riggo and Post’s Sally Jenkins on Dan Snyder | DC Pro Sports Report[/url][/B]

Here is John Riggins discussing the future with our ever favorite Sally Jenkins.

Personally, I think heads have to roll. Snyder has a opportunity to make things right that have been wrong for ten years. In a non-capped season, this is a chance to get rid of dead weight contracts like Portis, Randle El, Randy Thomas, and others.

Hire a professional GM. Let the GM hire the HC. Let the HC hire his coaches.

Trade down in the draft. Pick up additional draft picks, go Offensive Line heavy.

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Maybe a good discussion, but who can answer with any reality, you will either get a huge dose of "With Snyder we are always failures" or "let's see what happens this off-season". I fall into the latter

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i thought coming in to this season we would be 6-10 and from the looks of things we'll end up 5-10 (oakland and dallas), i think we will improve our record next year and be right around 8-8, but we have a ways to go before we get a nfc divisional championship, that said i think we have about two seasons minimum til we have a 10 win season, i really hope it's sooner though

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;633255]Maybe a good discussion, but who can answer with any reality, you will either get a huge dose of "With Snyder we are always failures" or "let's see what happens this off-season". I fall into the latter[/quote]

I fall there as well. We are some of the harshest critics of Snyder, but I hold out hope that this year was humiliating enough that Snyder will pull the trigger on change.

Put it this way CR --- if this year does not bring change, what will it take?

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Colonel Mustard in Vinnie's office with a flame-thrower........

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[quote=mlmdub130;633257]i thought coming in to this season we would be 6-10 and from the looks of things we'll end up 5-10 (oakland and dallas), i think we will improve our record next year and be right around 8-8, but we have a ways to go before we get a nfc divisional championship, that said i think we have about two seasons minimum til we have a 10 win season, i really hope it's sooner though[/quote]

Well, there is no way in hell I can predict. We will likely have a new QB and a new OL. There has to be substantial changes, Snyder said so, so until I see those, saying we will be 10-6 in two years is a stretch. I assume you are saying that based on the status quo? If that is the case, I don't see a winning record in two years.

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It can happen rather quickly (2 years) if the team FO goes through a culture change.
1. Vinny is fired and a GM is hired.
2. Dan Snyder gives up all decisions that GMs usually make. No more personal decisions f-ing period.
We can win with DS playing the role of owner rather than football guy. This culture change also revolves around building a team through the draft and not over paying non preforming players...its really not that hard to see that is a fail.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633248]Prominence as in winning a Super Bowl?[/quote]

at least in contention like what the colts, steelers, and patriots are right now

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[quote=PennSkinsFan;633258]I fall there as well. We are some of the harshest critics of Snyder, but I hold out hope that this year was humiliating enough that Snyder will pull the trigger on change.

Put it this way CR --- if this year does not bring change, what will it take?[/quote]

IF, this year doesn't bring an obvious change - Snyder does the OC 1st-HC 2nd -then GM routine, or Vinny stays as VP of football operations, or the new GM is clearly a shell for Snyder; then we will be a bottom feeder, every year or two trying the new and improved version of the same deep poop. If a season in which you can't compete against the worst teams for 6 straight weeks, doesn't bring change, then nothing will rock Snyder's myopic view.

I don't expect those scenarios to play out. I believe Snyder sees that talent exists, and Vinny did in fact make some good choices, but he also ignored enough obvious issues that he can't remain. I hope that Snyder acknowledges his part, and brings in a real, a la Bill Parcells, football overseer. Someone he can relate to, but also has the full knowledge necessary to put a yearly contender together. I want this season to be over, and to see how the first 2 weeks go. There really should be NO delay in picking a GM from the pool of available candidates.

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[quote=Hog1;633259]Colonel Mustard in Vinnie's office with a flame-thrower........[/quote]

I think Imdub, mImpetert, Matty, and SS, should all have shotguns at the ready, and when DS comes in, I'll collect them all, and hide them a la Roadhouse!

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I think a lot depends on the upcoming draft and offseason. If we can get two to three O-lineman starters and a running back that do more than just contribute, we can be legit playoff contenders in two seasons. The problem is our draft record has shown we are not capable of getting multiple (3 or more) difference maker type players in one draft class.

Vinny must go! That is a must. But Snyder scares me about Vinny. Nothing would surprise me when it comes to Vinny and Danny. I would not be shocked if he kept Vinny on for one more season...just to try and prove everyone wrong.

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[quote=duetsch215;633263]at least in contention like what the colts, steelers, and patriots are right now[/quote]

Well then you're talking about sustained success over a period of time and that may take a little while. They can easily jump to the playoffs next year and be the darlings of the NFL but then just as easily revert to a middle of the road team. We see it all the time.

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I think we can't really answer this until January. If Snyder fires Vinny and puts compitent people in place I think we could start winning consistently within a couple years. If we simply keep the same structure and insert a new coach into it we will never win.

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^i agree , the bengals are this years playoff surprise... Next yr they could easilly be back to a 6 win team.. The pats and colts have built a great team for years and years now.

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With the way we seem to have been snakebitten lately, Snyder could bring in someone like Bill Parcells and this would be the one place where even he couldn't get it together.

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A turnaround can come quickly, if Danny hires the right people.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633248]Prominence as in winning a Super Bowl?[/quote]
frequent playoff appearances with some wins thrown in

SB would be nice though :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;633270]Well then you're talking about sustained success over a period of time and that may take a little while. They can easily jump to the playoffs next year and be the darlings of the NFL but then just as easily revert to a middle of the road team. We see it all the time.[/quote]
Yep, I was about to say there's a possibility that we hit 9-7 or 10-6 this year but we definitely see teams do that and then teeter around 7-9 again. It's going to take more than a couple of hits in the FA market and more than just a new QB.

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[quote=Mattyk72;633313]A turnaround can come quickly, if Danny hires the right people.[/quote]
2-3 years if he makes all the right moves Matty. You have to think, we have to rebuild the entire O line, try to keep the D together, and acquire 2 QBs just for depths sake at the least. JC might just decide to leave on his own accord or we might do the crazy thing and dump him. I think we need him, til we groom his successor then keep him for depth.

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looking at the way the NFC east is playing out, i could see us winning the nfc east in the next 2-3 years. i really think it will be wide open in the coming years.

philly - mcnabb has been they stud qb in the nfc east for the past ten years. this has helped philly win a ton of nfc east titles as the giants, skins and boys played carousel at the qb position. once mcnabb is gone, the phily fans are going to realize just how lucky they were.

giants - with eli, their o line and d line they are always going to be in the mix but they just dont seem to be dominant enough to sustain years in year out control of the nfc east.

boys - its a rollercoaster ride over there, like the giants they will always be in the mix but i see them having on years and off years, on months then off months.

if we can get things relatively straight as to how to assemble a competitive roster at teh important positions i like our chances of winning a nfc east title in the next 3 years since no one (including us) seems to be poised to really control this division like the eagles have the past decade. every year we could have a different division leader, hopefully one year it will be us.

go skins!

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[quote=Mattyk72;633313]A turnaround can come quickly, if Danny hires the right people.[/quote]

And Fires Vinny.

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[quote=over the mountain;633488]looking at the way the NFC east is playing out, i could see us winning the nfc east in the next 2-3 years. i really think it will be wide open in the coming years.

philly - mcnabb has been they stud qb in the nfc east for the past ten years. this has helped philly win a ton of nfc east titles as the giants, skins and boys played carousel at the qb position. once mcnabb is gone, the phily fans are going to realize just how lucky they were.

giants - with eli, their o line and d line they are always going to be in the mix but they just dont seem to be dominant enough to sustain years in year out control of the nfc east.

[B]boys - its a rollercoaster ride over there, like the giants they will always be in the mix but i see them having on years and off years, on months then off months.[/B]

if we can get things relatively straight as to how to assemble a competitive roster at teh important positions i like our chances of winning a nfc east title in the next 3 years since no one (including us) seems to be poised to really control this division like the eagles have the past decade. every year we could have a different division leader, hopefully one year it will be us.

go skins![/quote]

I'm with those who think that Shanahan does poorly with personnel issues. That said, I hope that the Boys fire Wade in January and then give Shanny full control. Then the Boys will just keep going 8-8 year after year.

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Future looks bleak. I can't say I see sunny days ahead with Snyder in charge.

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Since we've been playing tough the past 2.5 games, I honestly feel like the team could turnaround simply by focusing on the o line & rb in the offseason w/all else being the same.

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[quote=Beemnseven;633309]With the way we seem to have been snakebitten lately, Snyder could bring in someone like Bill Parcells and this would be the one place where even he couldn't get it together.[/quote]

He only got it half way turned around in Dallas before Jerry ran him out of town. I am afraid Snyder would do the same. Though a part thinks if we ever start winning Snyder will stick with whatever is working. I really do think he only really wants to win but can't figure out how and just can't get out of his own way.

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[quote=Mattyk72;633313]A turnaround can come quickly, if Danny hires the right people.[/quote]

Truer words...

It really just depends on Snyder and his ego. I mean when you put the profits aside, he's been a total failure for 10 years now at what evidently is his day job: managing the Redskins. His ego would have to be enormous to not take a much different approach i.e. hire a smart professional to piece the organization back together. I'm not holding my breath.

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all and all if we dont clean house ..were in for another 5 years of this mess we need a major league overhaul....i dont see it happening i think snyder and cerrato are gunna bring in yet another minion ..more of the same imo...how is it the bills get no grief for firing a coach mid season

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That is the dark horse, a Snyder-Parcel Marriage. It would be the ultimate one up to JJ. Especially if Snyder can be successful with Parcels when Jerry couldn't

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[quote=diehardskin2982;633699]That is the dark horse, a Snyder-Parcel Marriage. It would be the ultimate one up to JJ. Especially if Snyder can be successful with Parcels when Jerry couldn't[/quote]

I tend to think Parcells stays in Miami long enough to build a winner.

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[quote=SmootSmack;633270]Well then you're talking about sustained success over a period of time and that may take a little while. They can easily jump to the playoffs next year and be the darlings of the NFL but then just as easily revert to a middle of the road team. We see it all the time.[/quote]

I can agree and i believe vinny needs to go and they need to be smart about their personnel decisions (which is not their expertise) with whom ever follows him as well as a new coach.