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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think we all know that most rational people agree Global Warming is at best a scheme Al Gore has created to achieve notoriety (seeing failed presidential bid, and claim to have created the internet), but for obvious fraud to have occurred and major news networks to not report it is ridiculous:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]"An examination of morning and evening news programs on ABC, CBS and NBC since Nov. 20 yielded zero mentions of the scandal, even in the Nov. 25 reports about Obama going to Copenhagen to discuss the need for emissions reductions," [URL="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20091202135822.aspx"][B][COLOR=#183a52]the Institute reported Wednesday[/COLOR][/B][/URL].[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]But during that time, the Institute says, "the networks reported on pro-golfer Tiger Woods' 'minor' car accident at least 37 times. They also found time to report on an orphaned Moose and the meal selection at the president’s State Dinner."[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Media Research Center President Brent Bozell reacted to the findings saying, "To pretend this story simply doesn’t exist is damning to journalism."[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html"]Comedy Central Scoops Network News on Climate-Gate Scandal - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com[/URL]

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sci_climate_hearing"]Obama science advisers grilled over hacked e-mails - Yahoo! News[/URL]

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Or how about a week or so ago when Al was asked questions about the 9 errors found in his flim he refused to remove:

When asked by McAleer whether he would do anything to correct the errors found by the British court, Gore said he wouldn't go through each of the errors but added that the ruling was in favor of screening the film in schools.

"There's been such a long discussion of each one of those specific things," he said. "One of them for example was that polar bears really aren't endangered. Well polar bears didn't get that word." The audience laughed.

Phelim countered that the number of polar bears has increased and is increasing.

"You don't think they're endangered?" Gore asked.

"The number has increased," McAleer repeated, prompting the same question from Gore. "If the number of polar bears has increased, surely they're not in danger."

[B]Before McAleer could say anything else, he was interrupted by environmental journalists who said it wasn't a debate and shut off his microphone.[/B]

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/21/new-documentary-challenges-gores-inconvenient-truth-global-warming/"]FOXNews.com - New Documentary Challenges Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth' on Global Warming[/URL]

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You said Al Gore pushed globle warming to achieve notoriety and I say that maybe 1% of it and the other 99% was to make a millions of dollars. It does not surprise me the media has not covered this at all.

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So is the intent of this thread to somehow discredit Al Gore and Democrats on this issue, and more broadly global warming? Or is the intent to actually discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides of the argument. Because there are facts on both sides. I'm just curious.

For the record, I'm not interested in joining the debate I just want to boost my post count:)

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[quote=12thMan;633527]So is the intent of this thread to somehow discredit Al Gore and Democrats on this issue, and more broadly global warming? Or is the intent to actually discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides of the argument. Because there are facts on both sides. I'm just curious.

For the record, I'm not interested in joining the debate I just want to boost my post count:)[/quote]


My intent is not to discredit Democrats or discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides. My quesition is why is this not being reported?

I think discrediting Al Gore and taking shots at him is fair game as he is a public figure and puts himself at the head the Global Warming inuitive. There are plently of Republicans that believe in Global Warming. For the record i am neither a Republican nor a Democrat (And have a zero vote track record on all non-sga elections); however, i do not believe in man caused global warming.

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[quote=mlmpetert;633530]My intent is not to discredit Democrats or discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides. My quesition is why is this not being reported?

I think discrediting Al Gore and taking shots at him is fair game as he puts himself at the head of leading the Global Warming inuitive.[/quote]

Well let me ask you, why do you think it's not being reported?

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Didnt ski resorts in Co have their earliest openings ever -or in a long time- this year? Sorry if you posted this in a link but i didnt go through them so if you did just overlook this post.

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[quote=12thMan;633535]Well let me ask you, why do you think it's not being reported?[/quote]

For NBC, the hacked email info came out during their much publicized "Green Week", so i am guessing they had conflicts of interest with reporting it. It would have been bad for business.

I dont know why ABC or CBS has not. Obviously someone said No, lets go with the Tiger story again tonight...

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It doesn't take a genius to know that you're all [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/13/ap/cabstatepent/main5382492.shtml"]god damn filthy polluters and eco-system killers[/URL]. What do I know though, I'm just a liberal tree hugger who can't see "conservative facts."

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[quote=firstdown;633525]You said Al Gore pushed globle warming to achieve notoriety and I say that maybe 1% of it and the other 99% was to make a millions of dollars. It does not surprise me the media has not covered this at all.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I honestly dont think money is the driving force behind Gore. He married rich, he has everything he could want except the spot light. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Ive always wondered why a rich person would want to enter politics and expose themselves to constant public scrutiny and lose their privacy. Some people just need that spotlight or recognition or to prove themselves to friends/family.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]However, making a a couple bucks while you are at it is a no brainer[/FONT][/COLOR]:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Climate_Exchange]Chicago Climate Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

CCX is 10% owned by [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Goldman_Sachs"][COLOR=#0000ff]Goldman Sachs[/COLOR][/URL] (GS) and 10% owned by [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Generation_Investment_Management"][COLOR=#0000ff]Generation Investment Management[/COLOR][/URL] (GIM), an investment firm founded & chaired by [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Al_Gore"][COLOR=#0000ff]Al Gore[/COLOR][/URL].

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It's not widely reported because it's boring.

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;633548]It's not widely reported because it's boring.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont know how boring it could be compared to the rest of the monotonous crap you see on MSNBC, ABC and CNN from 5-8pm. Fox News channel decided to report it and they are the dominate News provided for the age 25-54 demographic. If they can vastly beat out the competition by reporting these issues I don’t get why other networks cant follow suite. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/november-2009-cable-news_n_378327.html"][COLOR=#670100]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/03/november-2009-cable-news_n_378327.html[/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I mean Obama is visiting the Copenhagen for the Climate Summit and they cant mention it? Just seems like poor journalism to me.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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^ LOL...if nothing else you got to admit the derangement is spectacular.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;633536]Didnt ski resorts in Co have their earliest openings ever -or in a long time- this year? Sorry if you posted this in a link but i didnt go through them so if you did just overlook this post.[/quote]

Making any kind of assumptions based on one, two, or even ten years is ridiculous, especially in a specific region.

I always find it absurd when it's a particularly cold winter and people are like, "oh ... so much for global warming." The real things to study are average global temperature and concentration of certain gasses within the entire global climate.

Problem is these things are extremely difficult to reach conclusive evidence on, and doing so is theoretical at best. It's kind of a shame that much of the science community has become so politicized because it's killed much of the credibility of the overall scientific community.

Here's an interesting read:

[URL="http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/the-superfreakonomics-global-warming-fact-quiz/"]The SuperFreakonomics Global-Warming Fact Quiz - Freakonomics Blog - NYTimes.com[/URL]

(by the way, superfreakonomics is a pretty good read...check it out)

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[quote=saden1;633543]It doesn't take a genius to know that you're all [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/13/ap/cabstatepent/main5382492.shtml"]god damn filthy polluters and eco-system killers[/URL]. What do I know though, I'm just a liberal tree hugger who can't see "conservative facts."[/quote]
That link is pretty usless now that we know that the data has been twisted to meet their needs.

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[quote=firstdown;633639]That link is pretty usless now that we know that the data has been twisted to meet their needs.[/quote]

Really? Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure the same team has been putting out all the research used by every geo-scientist.

I hear you piss in the sea when you go fishing...what impact do you think that has on the environment?

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[quote=saden1;633663]Really? Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure the same team has been putting out all the research used by every geo-scientist.

I hear you piss in the sea when you go fishing...what impact do you think that has on the environment?[/quote]
As long as Firstdown doesn't piss in a pool Im swimming in , Im fine with him pissing in a river / sea . I just hope some grandma on her little yacht doesn't see too much of first and put him on youtube :)

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[quote=mlmpetert;633513][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]agre[B]I think we all know that most rational people[/B] [B]e Global Warming is at best a scheme Al Gore has created to achieve notoriety ([/B]seeing failed presidential bid, and claim to have created the internet), but for obvious fraud to have occurred and major news networks to not report it is ridiculous:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]"An examination of morning and evening news programs on ABC, CBS and NBC since Nov. 20 yielded zero mentions of the scandal, even in the Nov. 25 reports about Obama going to Copenhagen to discuss the need for emissions reductions," [URL="http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20091202135822.aspx"][B][COLOR=#183a52]the Institute reported Wednesday[/COLOR][/B][/URL].[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]But during that time, the Institute says, "the networks reported on pro-golfer Tiger Woods' 'minor' car accident at least 37 times. They also found time to report on an orphaned Moose and the meal selection at the president’s State Dinner."[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]Media Research Center President Brent Bozell reacted to the findings saying, "To pretend this story simply doesn’t exist is damning to journalism."[/FONT][/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,578990,00.html"]Comedy Central Scoops Network News on Climate-Gate Scandal - Science News | Science & Technology | Technology News - FOXNews.com[/URL]

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/sci_climate_hearing"]Obama science advisers grilled over hacked e-mails - Yahoo! News[/URL][/quote]
this is a ridiculous statement

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[quote=saden1;633663]Really? Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure the same team has been putting out all the research used by every geo-scientist.

I hear you piss in the sea when you go fishing...what impact do you think that has on the environment?[/quote]

well if i'm fishing i'm probably on a boat, and if i'm on a boat i'm probably drinking, so i probably don't care what impact it has on the enviornment, but i will say i do recycle instead of sinkin em, cause littering causes global warming

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All I know is that since the beginning of industrial revolution all these man made polutants rising up into the ozone and the atmosphere cant be good for the planet. Just like all the poluntants flowing into the Cheasepeake bay is not good for water life. Is it to the extent of the warming the Earth that the left is wanting you to believe, probably not. But say in 500 to a thousand years from now if the pace continues there will probably be very negative effects. Over population will probably be a relative issue as well in this country in the next 200 years. I think advances in technology will help, but if we start now trying to make changes now it cant hurt, can it?

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[quote=dmek25;633665]this is a ridiculous statement[/quote]

agreed

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I really don't care if Global Warming/Climate Change is real or not. I don't have to because I generally support all the remedies anyway. I am generally against pollution so I really don't care about Global Warming.

This climategate thing is interesting ( I have also heard being called "Warmaquiddick" ). It needs to be looked into.

The problem is that it is so hard to understand what these e-mails actually mean because I am not a scientist....and most people are not. So it would be nice to have some reputable scientists take a look at it and explain what is going on to everybody.

And now it appears that there is no data... no one has been able to see the real data for years and now all the data is gone so no one can recreate the calculations anyway.

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[quote=saden1;633663]Really? Thanks for clarifying, I wasn't sure the same team has been putting out all the research used by every geo-scientist.

I hear you piss in the sea when you go fishing...what impact do you think that has on the environment?[/quote]

No different then someone at the beach taking a leak in the water. Nothing ever goes over the side of my boat but lines and a little pi$$ now and then. Nothing tics me off anymore then people throwing their trash out their windows, boat, or where erver else they toss their crap. I'm not saying that its a rep or dem thing about the reaserch its was an agenda by them to screw with the numbers. Now that we know the scientist have an agenda its what done about it that I'm concerned with. Right now on the left they are talking about going after the hacker not the scientist who screwed us.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Alright I was watching some Keith Olberman last night and MSNBC finally mentioned it. I guess Fox ran a piece that showed the John Stewart clip where he jokingly says Global Warming has been completely debunked. Well Fox convientely left out something Jon said immediately after that statement where he basically said that the whole covering up of key data just takes away some of the creditability of the “researchers”. So Olberman’s acknowledgment of the data cover up that discredits the Global Warming fundamentalist was only to call out Fox, not to mention that this is a serious current event. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Shows like O’Reilly and Hannity, or Olberman and Maddow obviously don’t break news and primarily report opinions. I would also guess most of their viewers are already well informed, or have already made up their mind supporting the ideals or values of the shows anchor, or are simply looking for a entertaining “news” program. So for Olberman to mention this doesn’t really count as reporting it, and not just because he only used it to attack Fox, but because of the style of his show (much like O’Reilly). During the 5-8 real news reporting this issue should be mentioned, because that is where true journalism is supposed to occur on the cable news networks (minus Chris Mathews). [/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=dmek25;633665]this is a ridiculous statement[/quote]

Just trying lighten it up a little

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[quote=Chico23231;633669]All I know is that since the beginning of industrial revolution all these man made polutants rising up into the ozone and the atmosphere cant be good for the planet. Just like all the poluntants flowing into the Cheasepeake bay is not good for water life. Is it to the extent of the warming the Earth that the left is wanting you to believe, probably not. But say in 500 to a thousand years from now if the pace continues there will probably be very negative effects. [B]Over population will probably be a relative issue as well in this country in the next 200 years.[/B] I think advances in technology will help, but if we start now trying to make changes now it cant hurt, can it?[/quote]


Not just this country, the world.

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[quote=budw38;633664]As long as Firstdown doesn't piss in a pool Im swimming in , Im fine with him pissing in a river / sea . I just hope some grandma on her little yacht doesn't see too much of first and put him on youtube :)[/quote]

Grandma would be laughing to hard to record anything and if she did she better have a zoom lense. I actually have a toilet on the boat but its reserved for the ladies because its nasty to deal with.

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I hear we are going to potty train Bears, cougars < the 4 leg types :) > , Racoons , Rabbits , Wolves , Cows and others ... put port-a-pottys out in the woods , to cut down on animal waste :) .

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wouldn't one be alittle naive to think we can put all of this crap into the air, water, and underground, without any consequences? im no scientist, but it seems like common sense

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[quote=saden1;]I hear you piss in the sea when you go fishing...what impact do you think that has on the environment?[/quote]


What environmentally friendly restrooms are the fish using? Where do they take a piss? Oh, that's right...

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[quote=dmek25;633851]wouldn't one be alittle naive to think we can put all of this crap into the air, water, and underground, without any consequences? im no scientist, but it seems like common sense[/quote]

it is common sense, there are impacts. But is Global Warming one of those impacts? There's no definitive proof.

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[quote=dmek25;633851]wouldn't one be alittle naive to think we can put all of this crap into the air, water, and underground, without any consequences? im no scientist, but it seems like common sense[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think there are negative consequences via the acts of modern man but i also think we need to find out if they outweigh the benefits of having a modern society. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Just like recycling. Does it make you feel good to do it, sure. But does the practice of consumer recycling outweigh the costs attributed to the act?[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url=http://www.williams.edu/HistSci/curriculum/101/garbage.html]"Recycling ... Is Garbage" by John Tierney[/url]

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[quote=12thMan;633527]So is the intent of this thread to somehow discredit Al Gore and Democrats on this issue, and more broadly global warming? Or is the intent to actually [B]discuss the scientific facts supporting both sides of the argument.[/B] Because there are facts on both sides. I'm just curious.

For the record, I'm not interested in joining the debate I just want to boost my post count:)[/quote]

The point of the thread is to expose something being ignored by the media except for Fox News...global warming has been proven to be a hoax supported by "adjusted" facts and cover-ups to avoid compliance with the equivalent of the Freedom of Information Act.

The final nail has been put in the coffin, but hardly anyone knows about it because the media has an agenda.

It appears the scientists and supporters of global warming came up with their conclusion and goal FIRST...then created the support to "prove" themselves right. It's completely backwards and a sad state of science when it is propelled by politics rather than discovery of the truth.

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[quote=dmek25;633665]this is a ridiculous statement[/quote]

Gore's bank statements say otherwise. He has turned this hoax into an industry, driven by companies looking to profit, from light bulb manufacturers to utility companies to distributors of imaginary "carbon credits". He flies around on private jets, polluting more than anyone to lecture US on limiting pollution. Government at every level places rules and restrictions on citizens based on his tales and fear tactics of global warming. He's a liar and hypocrite and finally, he's been debunked...if it's ever allowed to become common knowledge as it should.

Gore once famously screeched "HE BETRAYED OUR COUNTRY, HE PLAYED ON OUR FEARS" about the President. It appears Al Gore himself is the real perpetrator of the very claims he violently screamed.

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Global Warming Fast FactsNational Geographic News



Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

taken from a National Geo article

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the earth goes through phases it is a living entity, did man cause the ice age?

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"Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.

The report, based on the work of some 2,500 scientists in more than 130 countries, concluded that humans have caused all or most of the current planetary warming. Human-caused global warming is often called anthropogenic climate change.


• Industrialization, deforestation, and pollution have greatly increased atmospheric concentrations of water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide, all greenhouse gases that help trap heat near Earth's surface. (See an interactive feature on how global warming works.)

• Humans are pouring carbon dioxide into the atmosphere much faster than plants and oceans can absorb it.

• These gases persist in the atmosphere for years, meaning that even if such emissions were eliminated today, it would not immediately stop global warming.

• Some experts point out that natural cycles in Earth's orbit can alter the planet's exposure to sunlight, which may explain the current trend. Earth has indeed experienced warming and cooling cycles roughly every hundred thousand years due to these orbital shifts, but such changes have occurred over the span of several centuries. Today's changes have taken place over the past hundred years or less.

• Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.

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[quote=mlmdub130;633926]the earth goes through phases it is a living entity, did man cause the ice age?[/quote]
Yes , because man stopped driving cars , started making " fake " snow = for skiing ... and Firstdown drank antifreeze before pi$$ing off his boat :) . In all seriousness , I'am 100% in favor of cleaner water , air , just about anything we can use to our advantage as far as buying less oil from outside our borders .

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[quote=dmek25;633923]Global Warming Fast FactsNational Geographic News



Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.

• Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

• The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that 11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.

• The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.

• Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.

• Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting—for example, Montana's Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and freezes begin a week later.

• Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water temperature, suffered the worst bleaching—or die-off in response to stress—[SIZE=4]ever recorded in 1998,[/SIZE] with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70 percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.

• An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires, heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to climate change by some experts.

taken from a National Geo article[/quote]
What scientist provided them with that info? 2008 was the coldest in a decade. What happened to all those major hurricans we where told that would increase each year?

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[quote=firstdown;633941]What scientist provided them with that info?[/quote]

scienist that beleive in global warming :)