Trotter gone after June 1?
 

With our bringing Brandon Short in today, who thinks the likelier scenario than the Skins running a 3-4 occasionally is the Skins cutting Trotter after June 1? How much does he count against the cap this year and down the line? Is he worth what we will be paying him? My two cents is that he is a good but not great player who has not played up to what we have paid him-

I can see him leaving. I know he got hurt his first year and was adjusting to Marvin Lewis' system, but great players make great plays no matter what. He hasn't made any great plays, so I wouldn't be sad to see him go.

He's got a huge contract too. That money could be better spent.

I like him and think that if used correctly (blitz) then he could be an asset for the team. However if we can replace him for younger and cheaper, I don't see any reason to hesitate. He's not exactly a life long skin so I don't feel bad cutting him.

I think he can still be an excellent LB in the league if used correctly, and I think he could work well with Williams. I am curious to see what happens!

He counts $2.7 million against the cap this year (plus signing bonus)... next year is when his salary really spikes up to $4.5 mil (plus bonus). I could see him hanging around this year, but next year he's a goner for sure.

I don't think we'll be switching to the 3-4 and I don't think Trotter will be cut.

Williams likes his LB's and with Trotter, Arrington and Washington he'll have a heck of a threesome.

[QUOTE=EEich]He counts $2.7 million against the cap this year (plus signing bonus)... next year is when his salary really spikes up to $4.5 mil (plus bonus). I could see him hanging around this year, but next year he's a goner for sure.[/QUOTE]
i think he's gone next year too,unless he renegs his contract.but i really think he'll be a redskin in 2004.what i am curious about is what is gonna happen to brian noble?
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Was Brandon Short brought in for a visit or did he sign a contract with the Skins?
We have enough LB's, we have other greater needs. I hope we are done signing LB's.

MattyK- if we aren't switching to a 3-4, and Trotter isn't going to be cut, why are we still looking at LB's? We have Pierce and Mitchell for depth, so why bring in Short?

I don't see trortter going anywhere, he's still young and he was an animal in philli we just never used him correctly you have to have him going forward all the time he will wreck havoc in opposing team's backfield's this year because you can rest assured that william's is going to turn this guy loose.

[QUOTE=offiss]I don't see trortter going anywhere, he's still young and he was an animal in philli we just never used him correctly you have to have him going forward all the time he will wreck havoc in opposing team's backfield's this year because you can rest assured that william's is going to turn this guy loose.[/QUOTE]
I hope you're right, offiss. I don't want to see anyone fail, but up till now he's been a bust IMO.

Arrington (weak OLB), Trotter (MLB) and Washington (strong MLB) will start (if we stay 4-3) with Pierce (if he re-signs), Mitchell (if he re-signs), Short (if he signs) and/or Favors (if he signs) adding depth. Smith, Clemons, Spearman and Marshall will all be lucky to make the roster cut.

I think Trotter will at least stay with us this season. I hope Pierce re-signs too. He's a great back-up and could take Trotters place next season if they get rid of him for cap reasons. Otherwise, I can't see why we're still looking at LB's.

I calculate Trotter will count $3.86M against the cap in 2004 ($2.4M salary + $1.16M prorated bonus).

If they realease him prior to June 1st he will count $5.8M against the cap in 2004 ($1.16M * 5 yrs remaining on contract).

If they release him after June 1st he will count $1.16M against the cap in 2004, and $4.64M against the cap in 2005.

So they only save $2.7M by cutting him after June 1st, which just doesn't seem worth it. Not to mention they can save $1.3M on Moore, $900K on Trung, $660K on Chamberlain.

The fact that releasing Trotter is even up for debate is a sign that Trotter is under a BAD CAP CONTRACT (the dreaded BCC :eek: ). The contract is a 7-year deal. 2004 is only the third year. If you are debating dropping a guy in year 3 of a 7-yr contract, then you signed him to a BCC.

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]I calculate Trotter will count $3.86M against the cap in 2004 ($2.4M salary + $1.16M prorated bonus).

If they realease him prior to June 1st he will count $5.8M against the cap in 2004 ($1.16M * 5 yrs remaining on contract).

If they release him after June 1st he will count $1.16M against the cap in 2004, and $4.64M against the cap in 2005.

So they only save $2.7M by cutting him after June 1st, which just doesn't seem worth it. Not to mention they can save $1.3M on Moore, $900K on Trung, $660K on Chamberlain.

The fact that releasing Trotter is even up for debate is a sign that Trotter is under a BAD CAP CONTRACT (the dreaded BCC :eek: ). The contract is a 7-year deal. 2004 is only the third year. If you are debating dropping a guy in year 3 of a 7-yr contract, then you signed him to a BCC.[/QUOTE]

I believe we are the only one's debating it, I don't think the skin's are.

Raleighredskinfan info for you....
 

Pierce is not our for sure. You see he is a RFA and can leave if another team gives him a offer and the Redskins don't match it! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=RedskinPete]Pierce is not our for sure. You see he is a RFA and can leave if another team gives him a offer and the Redskins don't match it! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Exactly why we are looking at Short and Favors. IF we can sign them and Pierce is offered good money elsewhere, Skins will likely not match the sheet (why would you for a backup LB?).

would the signing of pierce by another team give us a draft pick? if so I'm guessing it'd be in the 5-7 range but hey that's better than nothing if we can get one of the players discussed to sign for what we'd sign Pierce too plus get a pick for Pierce signing with another team.

Yeah, we'd get a pick.

Trotter will be here this year, then re-negotiate or leave.

We are too thin on the D-line to cut Brandon Noble until summer training camp at the earliest.

Why cut Noble? Hasn't really had a chance to show his abilities in burgundy & gold yet.

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]MattyK- if we aren't switching to a 3-4, and Trotter isn't going to be cut, why are we still looking at LB's? We have Pierce and Mitchell for depth, so why bring in Short?[/QUOTE]

quite simply, depth

A little too much depth, if you ask me!

We obviously aren't going to carry Arrington, Trotter, Washington, Pierce, Mitchell, Short and Favors along with a slew of practice players. We aren't looking at Short and Favors for "depth". Somebodies getting cut or let go- as someone else pointed out earlier, maybe it's Pierce or Mitchell, but we aren't looking at both Short and Favors if we were going to keep the current crew. Now that I hear Trotter's cap number for this year is decent but balloons next year, maybe we keep him one more year, but unless he improves drastically this year, I bet he's gone. Plus, I hope we keep Pierce. He has looked good to me. Mitchell is getting old though...

I thought they just resigned Mitchell. Peirce is an RFA, so we can match if we want to. Why resign and restrict if you don't want em?

Lots of LBs, not a lot of linemen. Hmmm... sounds kinda 3-4ish.

They did just resign Mitchell, so if someone is to go it will likely be Pierce.

They will probably let them all compete at mini-camp and release/cut whoever ends up at the bottom of the list.

Hmmm...ESPN is reporting that the Giants cut Barrow, their middle linebacker. Any scouting stats on him? Might he be a possibility for the 'skins?

--Phin

[QUOTE=raleighskinsfan]We obviously aren't going to carry Arrington, Trotter, Washington, Pierce, Mitchell, Short and Favors along with a slew of practice players. We aren't looking at Short and Favors for "depth". Somebodies getting cut or let go- as someone else pointed out earlier, maybe it's Pierce or Mitchell, but we aren't looking at both Short and Favors if we were going to keep the current crew. Now that I hear Trotter's cap number for this year is decent but balloons next year, maybe we keep him one more year, but unless he improves drastically this year, I bet he's gone. Plus, I hope we keep Pierce. He has looked good to me. Mitchell is getting old though...[/QUOTE]
Who says we're going to sign both Favors and Short? Seems to be they are both being looked at but I don't think they'll both be brought in.

We aren't looking at Favors or Short as "starters" that's for sure.

Before you judge Trotter, remember...a bad Dline makes backers look terrible.

[QUOTE=SonsOfWashington]Before you judge Trotter, remember...a bad Dline makes backers look terrible.[/QUOTE]

VERY true. Not only that, a horribly inexperienced defensive coordinator like George Edwards with his 'freelancing linebacking' didn't help either.

If any other teams were looking at signing Pierce to an offer sheet wouldn't we have heard about it by now???

[QUOTE=azskinsfan2]If any other teams were looking at signing Pierce to an offer sheet wouldn't we have heard about it by now???[/QUOTE]


I would think Pierce is the last of our RFAs you need to worry about signing with another team. That said, I don't know if there's a final date for signing RFAs. I only know you have seven days to match the offer.

We should know by Friday night or Saturday morning if the Rams haven't matched the offer for Jeremetrius Butler.

[QUOTE=Phinehas]Hmmm...ESPN is reporting that the Giants cut Barrow, their middle linebacker. Any scouting stats on him? Might he be a possibility for the 'skins?

--Phin[/QUOTE]

He's gonna be 34, nuf said.

[QUOTE=Beemnseven]VERY true. Not only that, a horribly inexperienced defensive coordinator like George Edwards with his 'freelancing linebacking' didn't help either.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree, on so many plays I saw Trot getting held up by 1 or 2 olinemen or backs (guys that should have been trying to contain our dlinemen). MLB is a position that is VERY dependant upon the quality of the Dlinemen (more so than for OLBs).

It would be a big mistake to get rid of Trotter.

It takes a full year to recover from ACL/MCL tears. Trotter has also been in 3 D systems in as many years with the 'Skins (that's another reason why Arrington hasn't been as great as he should be). Cutting Trotter would also give us a sh-tload of dead money in 2005 (what $5 million? - that's two very good players or a slew of decent ones).

Finally, that's a great point re: freelancing. Before last season Edwards wanted Trotter to freelance and then he wanted to reign him in......I'm not sure Edwards knew what he wanted from Trotter & Arrington.

Keep Trotter.

Lots of linebackers and only a few DL could mean that the defensive coordinator wants to use a 3-4 defense.

[B]BUT:[/B]

The 3-4 defense demands a nose tackle that can hold his ground against the center and often with a double team block from a guard. If the nose tackle can be "pushed around", the 3-4 is much less effective.

I know that folks here like to think that anyone in the Redskins training camp is a real Hall of Fame candidate and only conspiracies by the league and jealous journalists from other cities keep them out. But can someone tell me who on the roster at the moment fits the description of the "immovable object" as the nose tackle? The first person who mentions Lionel Dalton will be assigned to write on a blackboard 500 times:

"I must stop eating hallucingenic mushrooms."

If the Skins are going to play a lot of 3-4 defense, they will have to find a "wide body" somewhere to play the nose tackle. Ted Washington might have fit that bill but he is already signed in Oakland - and he is very long in the tooth. Gilbert Brown is a free agent - I think - but he is not likely to be able to play 16 games. I did not see any college linemen who even came close to looking as if they were ready for that kind of duty next year.

This may not be an easy thing for the Skins to do in 2004.

Who do they Ravens and the Steelers have to play NT? Big Fatty could have played NT.

Curmudgeon, are you trying to tell me Jimoh's not headed for the Hall of Fame!? :D

Lionel Dal.......!.......um, where's the chalk???

How about Lavar :D