Campbell Needs To Be Cut
 

Just kidding. Seriously where did all the Campbell haters go?

Two great games, and I seriously think we dont have good QB options. Plus I am not a fan of Clausen or any other college potential bust. Bring back Campbell for another year or two.

But for all the crap JC has received this season, he at least deserves props for the last 3-4 games. Good stuff JC!:httr:

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I want Richard McDonald!

Or is it Bartel?

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...some slack. He's played very well since Sherm Lewis started calling plays.. Coincidence? I think not.

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Colt would have thrown 5 touchdowns. Just ask him.

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THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN ONE GAME TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF A PLAYER

aka shutup

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[quote=GTripp0012;639177]Colt would have thrown 5 touchdowns. Just ask him.[/quote]

in the first quarter.

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Rebuild the OL and we will be fine, keep Campbell.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;639184]Rebuild the OL and we will be fine, keep Campbell.[/quote]

agree 100%

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We should keep Campbell. With a solid O-line I think JC would do great.

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This mix seems to work to me. I'm more okay parting with Portis than I am Campbell. Please don't blow the thing up and start over!

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jason looks better he may be the answer but i'm not completely sold on him after three games, but he did throw one of his best passes yet imo when he threw that pass on the run to davis in the endzone

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[quote=Paintrain;639175]...[B]some slack[/B]. He's played very well since Sherm Lewis started calling plays.. Coincidence? I think not.[/quote]

I'll second this

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I got on here with the specific reason to bring up this topic...JC is not as bad as most want to say he is. Given a line and RB that work he is decent. Not saying he is a top Qb but I think given our other needs, Qb is low on the list and if nothing else Jason is a tough, strong-hearted QB. Imagine all of the hurdles he has ovecome from cutler, to sanchez, to our shitty record and he is out there competing play-in and play-out. JC needs to stay. Let's start a movement.

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Hey we can still go for another QB, but we always need another option. Campbell is a good one. Keep him, just because whatever else is out there, may not be that good.

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another solid game in the face of a heavy rush for campbell. he is doing very well, and i hope we extend his contract. would be a shame to get rid of him when hes just hitting his stride

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Have to admit I'm having a rethink on Campbell too. Perhaps it was just the awful playcalling by Zorn that made him look so bad.

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[quote=davy;639201]Have to admit I'm having a rethink on Campbell too. Perhaps it was just the awful playcalling by Zorn that made him look so bad.[/quote]

his accuracy doen't have much to do with play calling though

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Glad to JC playing well.

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[quote=hooskins;639197]Hey we can still go for another QB, but we always need another option. Campbell is a good one. Keep him, just because whatever else is out there, may not be that good.[/quote]

The grass isn't always greener on the other side 100% agree. JC has grown up his decision making has been great you can tell it's not a fluke he's making plays all around.

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My question to Paul Tenorio from the Washington Post...

[QUOTE]Columbia, Md.: Can you guys in the media please please do your best to convince the front office to draft a tackle with that first rounder? We need to keep Campbell and get him a good line in front of him.

Paul Tenorio: A lot of people feel this way (including myself) but I've heard the argument, including from some of my colleagues, that if a franchise-changing quarterback is available they should take them. That they'd be stupid to pass. I disagree. I think the Redskins need to go o-line, but they have scouted first-round QBs and so I wouldn't be surprised to see them go that way in April...[/QUOTE]

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They better approach Campbell about resigning before it's too late, most of the haters might think that it's a gamble, but in my opinion it will be worth it. Maybe a 3 year extension.

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There will be plenty of "franchise-changing" passers out there, but I'm not sure the Raiders model is the one we would be trying to follow.

...pauses for laughs.

Seriously, we're going to have to address the real issues at some point. And quarterback play is one of those issues, mostly because Campbell gets the crap beat out of him and no matter how tough he is, he's not very good at protecting himself as not to get injured. Right now, Todd Collins is always a run-of-the-mill hit away from playing in an NFL game, and that's unacceptable for an NFL franchise.

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[quote=mlmdub130;639204]his accuracy doen't have much to do with play calling though[/quote]

That's true.

I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults. Throwing behind his receivers still happens way too often but he looks a lot better with decent playcalling.

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This offense along with Jason Campbell can be very effective when they block and execute. The young players are finally grasping the offense and their role in it, the last two weeks are perfect examples. Jason took some hits today and still had a good outing.

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rebuild the line, and lets see what kind of qback we have. i hate all of the other options, except for Pike. and rookies take a couple of seasons to flourish

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Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year

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I'm on the "rebuild the o-line, keep Campbell" argument but it worries me everytime I hear the media giving Zorn and Campbell praise for the way they've handled things lately and then they say it's a shame neither will be here next year after everything that's gone down. I think we have much major problems than qb, and I'd hate to see him leave after it looks like everything is finally coming together after everything that went down.

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[quote=tryfuhl;639179]THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN ONE GAME TO DETERMINE THE FUTURE OF A PLAYER

aka shutup[/quote]

You should read the post before you write things like this. If you go back and read it he says Campbell's play over the last few games has been good and he should stay. It was not just talking about the game today. Read...and turn the caps lock off.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639223]Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year[/quote]

Also agree completely. I don't think any of this happens if Portis and Cooley stayed healthy for the entire season. As bad as that sounds it's given much needed opportunities for Davis, Thomas, and the RB depth to show what they've got.

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Didn't experts say it would take 3 years to successful install and grasp the WCO. Well next year will be year 3 keep JC, Zorn, & Lewis.

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[quote=mooby;639226]I'm on the "rebuild the o-line, keep Campbell" argument but it worries me everytime I hear the media giving Zorn and Campbell praise for the way they've handled things lately and then they say it's a shame neither will be here next year after everything that's gone down. I think we have much major problems than qb, and I'd hate to see him leave after it looks like everything is finally coming together after everything that went down.[/quote]

Ever since the 2nd half of the Falcons game the team has been playing like it should have all year (yes, there's been lots of screw ups, but they've been in every game). At this point I would say, keep Campbell and Zorn, rebuild the OL, promote Jerry Gray to DC and Sherm Lewis to OC and of course FIRE VINNY!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;639223]I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is [B]pre-ordained.[/B]
[/quote]I disagree. And while I agree with your point about pressure situations and that, certainly, Campbell deserves no special sense of entitlement based on a 4-game stretch where he's ultimately 1-3, I don't think he ever controlled his fate here. That is to say: it, in fact, was pre-ordained.

Ultimately, his struggles in pressure situations boil down mostly to small sample size, but it would be much easier to write them off had he gone even 1-2 in those last three games.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639223]Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup.[B] I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year[/B][/quote]

I remember when Shockey was traded it was a great help to Eli. That was for a different reason, he was demanding the ball and limiting Eli. But the point seems valid a good/great TE is a security blanket for a team, and a qb. Losing him opened up a lot of other options.

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Maybe the most indicting thing about Zorny: it does appear that Vinny built some sort of a fringe playoff team here.

Now, though that might sound like heresy, it's probably completely unfair to assume that Zorn should have known that the right moves involved not playing Portis, moving the focus of the offense away from Moss, playing Fred Davis and Devin Thomas, and not putting so much faith in a defense that we just poured even more mega bucks into. There's no coach who would have figured this out in time to start 4-2 instead of 2-4. But, again, that's not really Cerrato's fault, is it?

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[quote=SmootSmack;639223]But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year[/quote]On this point, we're in complete agreement. And there's no way this could have happened without injuries to our safety blankets, unfortunately. When he comes back, Cooley is going to have to find a new niche in this offense as starting TE, who doesn't command all the defensive attention, but still needs to produce to his contract.

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[quote=SmootSmack;639223]Still want to see Campbell step it up in more pressure situations. As in last Sunday when he ended up throwing that critical late game interception against the Saints.

I do like him though and think he can be a great QB in this league. And if it's for us then that's great, I just us want us to decide once and for all this spring. Either sign him to a long-term extension and say this is our guy. Or let him go. I don't think his fate is pre-ordained.

I think Campbell has benefited from a few things, including Sherman Lewis coming on board and Chris Meidt working more closely with him in recent weeks. Meidt the key to Campbell's success-who knew?

But what's not really being mentioned is how the team has overall benefited from a) Portis being hurt-which forces the coaches to open things up a bit instead of just handing the ball to Portis repeatedly and b) (and I think this one is the bigger one) Cooley being hurt. I don't think we're a better team w/o Cooley in the lineup. I just think that Campbell (and the coaches) finally have to use the other weapons on the team instead of just going to the comfort of Cooley every time. And that's helped not only Campbell but others like Thomas and Davis as well. Cooley's injury, in my opinion, is the best thing to happen to this offense this year[/quote]


Well said Smack. I don't see how anyone who knows anything at all about football cannot see the difference in the way this team has played since the second half of the Atlanta game. Zorn, with whatever defeciencies he may have is keeping this team together and playing hard, he deserves his share of credit for being able to acomplish that. I have been proud of the way this team has playes the last few weeks.

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I'm starting to really believe that it's imperative we sign Campbell; he's improving every game, all after Lewis became our "offense coordinator" but we definitely have to give other two coaches some credits too.. I won't be able to fathom if Vinny doesn't try to resign Campbell and draft a #1 LT; the pieces are there but we just need to adjust a little bit with an additional new lineman..

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[quote=GTripp0012;639247]On this point, we're in complete agreement. And there's no way this could have happened without injuries to our safety blankets, unfortunately. When he comes back, Cooley is going to have to find a new niche in this offense as starting TE, who doesn't command all the defensive attention, but still needs to produce to his contract.[/quote]

I'd like to see how you cover Davis and Cooley and the field at the same time. Better yet I'd like to see us be smart in the way we make that work. Davis has proven he is a starting caliber TE in this league. He is going to have to be on the field.

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[quote=GridIron26;639266]I'm starting to really believe that it's imperative we sign Campbell; he's improving every game, all after Lewis became our "offense coordinator" but we definitely have to give other two coaches some credits too.. I won't be able to fathom if Vinny doesn't try to resign Campbell and draft a #1 LT; the pieces are there but we just need to adjust a little bit with an additional new lineman..[/quote]


GridIron - I agree except for one word in your post - you needed to say linmen not lineman - this team needs a new LT, RT, C and RG. Samuels is most likely to retire and you cannot count on Randy Thomas being able to play a whole year with as many serious injuries a he has had now. Heyer is "just a guy" who does not scare any defense and Rabach is getting beat like a red headed stepchild too often. Jason Campbell is lucky he is still able to walk and the beating he is taking makes it all the more important that at least two starters if not 3 are found in the offseason. Dockery is your only mainstay on this line and he is starting to get up in years as well but we can live with him.

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draft clausen and keep jc til clausen ready or if jc can actually keep this up all the way through next season