Would Shanny prefer Dallas instead?
 

According to Jay Glazer, Shanny would take the Cowboys job over us.... WTF? I was 99% sure he would be in DC in 2 weeks..

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/20/report-snyder-offered-job-to-shanahan-in-march/]Report: Snyder offered job to Shanahan in offseason | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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It's probably because he favors Tony Romo over Jason Campbell. And doesn't want to go through the pain staking process of developing another QB if we decided to draft one. Whatever Snyder offered him in the off season will be substantially increased.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;642917]According to Jay Glazer, Shanny would take the Cowboys job over us.... WTF? I was 99% sure he would be in DC in 2 weeks..

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/20/report-snyder-offered-job-to-shanahan-in-march/]Report: Snyder offered job to Shanahan in offseason | ProFootballTalk.com[/url][/quote]

Dallas won't go after Shanny. Jones wants a younger guy and doesn't want to sign any big checks with all of that $$ tied up in the spaceship down in Dallas.

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With all of this Shanny talk going on, I would rather see Dungy or Cowher come here. I think that any one those two guys would be what this sorry-ass franchise needs to build a true contender from the ground up.

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[quote=4mrusmc;642921]With all of this Shanny talk going on, I would rather see Dungy or Cowher come here. I think that any one those two guys would be what this sorry-ass franchise needs to build a true contender from the ground up.[/quote]

Dungy won't come back, and Cowher IMO is overhyped... Only 1 SB in like 16 years... And that's after playing in a HORRIBLE division.. IDK about Shanahan going to Dallas, If the job was offered to him I bet he does there instead.

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[quote=Paintrain;642920]Dallas won't go after Shanny. Jones wants a younger guy and doesn't want to sign any big checks with all of that $$ tied up in the spaceship down in Dallas.[/quote]

Yep. According to what Glazer said on FOX, Dallas isn't even that interested in Shanny.

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He'll go to Houston before Dallas

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[quote=Paintrain;642920]Dallas won't go after Shanny. Jones wants a younger guy and doesn't want to sign any big checks with all of that $$ tied up in the spaceship down in Dallas.[/quote]

Given that Jerry is even more meddlesome with personnel than Snyder, I believe that Shanny's interest in Dallas has been overstated.

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Dallas is not interested in Shanny. They have their future coach already on their staff in Jason Garrett. This is Shanny attempt to get more coin out of Snyder or Florio attempto put a wrench in the skins plans, because earlier in the week he was taschized by the franchise for rumors that he was speading that Vinny was going to still be apart of this team behind the scenes, started by LaVar Arrington in his interview with Florio on his radio show.

However if it is true and we don't get Shanny it is okay because this job has become very desirable around the league.

No Vinny
Got Talent
High draft pick
Owner with endless money more than willing to open his wallet
Coach friendly GM
Big Market rabid fan base

We have nothing to worry about we will get a quality Coach

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;642927]He'll go to Houston before Dallas[/quote]

Him going to houston would be the equivalent of if Holmgren were to go here, because think if holmgren was pissed at the redskins for making a fool out of Zorn, then y would holmgren want to coach here? Same thing for Shanahan going to houston, if his buddy Gary Kubiak were to get fired in Houston, and they run practically the same offense, then y would he want to go there over here? I could still see dallas going after shanahan, regardless of what glazer said. I think it will be a bidding war between us and Dallas, and I think in the end he'd probably go to dallas, because they're a playoff team with a more proven QB than us.

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Lets think of this logically...take the emotion out of it and the fact that we all despise the cowboys....look at it from a neutral point of view.

Who would not prefer the Dallas job?
They have way more talent, they have an even larger fan base than we do...they have massive TV coverage. They have an owner that likes spending cash and has won superbowls. They have solid foundations on the lines...c''mon...they are better than the Skins in almost all categories at this point...that is why we needed a new GM and head coach in the first place.

The reality is the Skins are playing as good as they can right now.

The Cowboys underperform regularly...that means a solid coach could have them Superbowl contenders while a good coach for us could get us into the playoffs....think of Gibbs II...he got the most wins out of the team...then think Zorn with the same team....We needed a new GM more desperately than a new coach...the opposite is true for Dallas

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^^^ true, but that still doesn't change the fact that DALLAS BLOWS!!!! haha

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[quote=skinsnut;642943]Lets think of this logically...take the emotion out of it and the fact that we all despise the cowboys....look at it from a neutral point of view.

[B]Who would not prefer the Dallas job?[/B]
They have way more talent, they have an even larger fan base than we do...they have massive TV coverage. They have an owner that likes spending cash and has won superbowls. They have solid foundations on the lines...c''mon...they are better than the Skins in almost all categories at this point...that is why we needed a new GM and head coach in the first place.

The reality is the Skins are playing as good as they can right now.

The Cowboys underperform regularly...that means a solid coach could have them Superbowl contenders while a good coach for us could get us into the playoffs....think of Gibbs II...he got the most wins out of the team...then think Zorn with the same team....We needed a new GM more desperately than a new coach...the opposite is true for Dallas[/quote]

The obvious answer is anyone who doesn't want to deal with Jerry Jones.

People like to speculate how involved Snyder is, but the fact is in Dallas Jones is [B]very[/B] involved.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;642917]According to Jay Glazer, Shanny would take the Cowboys job over us.... WTF? I was 99% sure he would be in DC in 2 weeks..

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/20/report-snyder-offered-job-to-shanahan-in-march/"]Report: Snyder offered job to Shanahan in offseason | ProFootballTalk.com[/URL][/quote]

Smoke and mirror's bro, smoke and mirror's.

Shanny informed Buffalo that if they wanted him they would have to pick up Allen also. He told them they would be a package deal.

........:) who has Allen?

Reports out now saying Shanny told Snyder the same thing and thats why we picked up Allen. I'm telling you the deal was made back in Oct. around our bye when DS went to Denver to meet with Shanny.

I think we need to be more concerned with who Shanny will pick up as positions coach's and who he asks to be brought in as the scouting team.

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[quote=4mrusmc;642921]With all of this Shanny talk going on, I would rather see Dungy or Cowher come here. I think that any one those two guys would be what this sorry-ass franchise needs to build a true contender from the ground up.[/quote]

Dungy has already said he does not want a HCing job. Basically taking a rest from football or happily retired. Cowher has rebuffed DS several times now I think. Maybe I'm wrong. Supposedly Cowher is upset that DS is taling with Shanny. Not sure why...if it's he wanted the job finally, which I doubt cause rumors are he wants the Panthers job, or he thinks it's not polite to HC hunt while the team already has a HC in place.

In any case who cares what he and others think. Last time we waited and did due diligence and came out late with a QB coach as our HC. I think DS is making sure the new HC gets a better start at seasons end. No biggie.

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[quote=skinsnut;642943]Lets think of this logically...take the emotion out of it and the fact that we all despise the cowboys....look at it from a neutral point of view.

Who would not prefer the Dallas job?
They have way more talent, they have an even larger fan base than we do...they have massive TV coverage. They have an owner that likes spending cash and has won superbowls. They have solid foundations on the lines...c''mon...they are better than the Skins in almost all categories at this point...that is why we needed a new GM and head coach in the first place.

The reality is the Skins are playing as good as they can right now.

The Cowboys underperform regularly...that means a solid coach could have them Superbowl contenders while a good coach for us could get us into the playoffs....think of Gibbs II...he got the most wins out of the team...then think Zorn with the same team....We needed a new GM more desperately than a new coach...the opposite is true for Dallas[/quote]

Yea, take the time to think about it......Jerry would not like to give anyone any amount of control cause he likes to have total control.

trust me Dallas may be one of the teams to have contacted him but he will be a Skin at seasons end

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Shanahan had a very hands off owner in Denver. JJ says he IS the GM, and Shanahan won't go for that, JJ would not give up control to BP, or Dan Reeves - in a consulting position, I can't see Shanahan going to that environment. Further, even though DS has been meddlesome, there is every indication that he wants to get away from that model, and in the past has been willing to at least share power with head coaches he respected, JG-Marty the first year - even Spurrier at first. I see no reason why Shanahan would not consider this his first best place.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;642976]even though DS has been meddlesome, there is every indication that he wants to get away from that model [/quote]

Unfortunately, that is not the prevailing opinion of Dan Snyder.
The Danny is #1 problem with the skins...and his meddlesome ways are the reason....and everyone knows it.

At least the #2 problem is now gone

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[quote=skinsnut;642978]Unfortunately, that is not the prevailing opinion of Dan Snyder.
The Danny is #1 problem with the skins...and his meddlesome ways are the reason....and everyone knows it.

At least the #2 problem is now gone[/quote]

Well, I tend to think it is overblown, not that it is untrue, just overblown. I want to say SmootSmack has said that as well but I could be wrong. Regardless of that though, DS started to try to change that image at the press conference by stating that Bruce Allens decisions are Redskin decisions. Did he stumble, was it hard for him to say, yes and yes, but I think he is trying to impress upon Shanahan and others that he understands the concept.

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[quote=skinsnut;642978]Unfortunately, that is not the prevailing opinion of Dan Snyder.
The Danny is #1 problem with the skins...and his meddlesome ways are the reason....and everyone knows it.

At least the #2 problem is now gone[/quote]

Also if you listen to cowboys fans JJ is the #1 and #2 problem with the cowboys, from there its a 3 way tie between Wade, Garrett and JJ. so i think it is fair to ask why would Shanahan want to go into that evironment.

In terms of your comments on the quality of players. I would think Shanahan has enough ego to think he can fix any player related issue, so that would not be his deciding factor.

And media wise, Dallas and Washington have fair shares of media attention assuming any type of competitive team.

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Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen one person in this thread mention Bruce Allen. According to the insiders around the league, Shannahan and Allen were a packaged deal. Sure it's possible he may go somewhere else, but the fact of the matter is that Allen was virtually hand picked by Shannahan to run the front office.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;642990]Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen one person in this thread mention Bruce Allen. According to the insiders around the league, Shannahan and Allen were a packaged deal. Sure it's possible he may go somewhere else, but the fact of the matter is that Allen was virtually hand picked by Shannahan to run the front office.[/quote]

True! This was mentioned once earlier in the thread but I'm glad that you magnified it. This is very important. We hold the trump card, it would seem.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;642927]He'll go to Houston before Dallas[/quote]

Maybe. But then he might be getting in the way of his son's possible promotion. I don't know if a dad will compete with a son for a job.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;642990]Maybe I've missed it but I haven't seen one person in this thread mention Bruce Allen. According to the insiders around the league, Shannahan and Allen were a packaged deal. Sure it's possible he may go somewhere else, but the fact of the matter is that Allen was virtually hand picked by Shannahan to run the front office.[/quote]

There are insiders (not myself) who say that is not true, and Allen in no way guarantees Shanahan

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[quote=SmootSmack;643008]There are insiders (not myself) who say that is not true, and Allen in no way guarantees Shanahan[/quote]

Brittany Murphy?

EDIT: holy cow, I just saw that she died of a heart attack. At 32 years old. Terrible.

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[QUOTE]On December 20, 2009, celebrity news website TMZ.com reported[14] that Brittany Murphy had died in the shower of her Los Angeles home of cardiac arrest. Her mother found her, and rushed to the hospital. Mainstream media sources later confirmed the reports via the Los Angeles County Coroner's office[/QUOTE]

RIP 32 yo very sad

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Smoot, what do you think the chances are we get Shanahan? Or, put another way, what are the chances Jerry Jones DOESN'T want Shanahan?

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[quote=GMScud;643010]Brittany Murphy?

EDIT: holy cow, I just saw that she died of a heart attack. At 32 years old. Terrible.[/quote]
Would be interested in the toxicology reports.

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[quote=GMScud;643010]Brittany Murphy?

EDIT: holy cow, I just saw that she died of a heart attack. At 32 years old. Terrible.[/quote]

Drugs!!!!!! Watch and see

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I started a thread in the Parking Lot. End Hijack.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/34205-rip-brittany-murphy.html#post643024[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;643016]Smoot, what do you think the chances are we get Shanahan? Or, put another way, what are the chances Jerry Jones DOESN'T want Shanahan?[/quote]

Tough to say. San Diego is out now that they're going to (if they haven't already) give Norv Turner a contract extension. Bears are a longshot with the money they have tied to Lovie Smith and they're frugal habits. So that leaves Houston, Dallas, and DC as the most likely. And I think all have a pretty equal shot.

Dallas is closer to home for Shan Wow (Matty chose not to include my new nickname for Shanahan when he posted my text to him. That bastard-I'm adding him to my ignore list), and they already have a strong running game as well as Tony Romo (who Shanahan is a fan of, both are Eastern Illinois guys). So that's their advantage

Houston has probably the least "intrusive" owner and already has his son and many of his other former assistants on the staff. So that's their advantage.

The big question is really if JJ is willing to eat the cost of Jason Garrett or if he can convince Shanahan to keep him on the staff. Gun to my head today I'll say Shanahan ends up here. Cowboys either promote Garrett or bring back Mike Zimmer to be the head coach at a fraction of the cost they would pay someone like Shanahan. And Houston either stays with Kubiak if they make the playoffs, and if not goes after Bill Cowher (and short of that Leslie Frazier)

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Interesting. I dont think money will be an important factor for Jones. According to PFT, he was offering to pay $25MM to host a boxing match there. I think a lot of what Florio writes is total crap, but i think he was on the money when he opined that Shanahan was just using Snyder to force Jerry Jones' hand.

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Am I the only one who finds it laughable when people say that Snyder is more meddlesome than Jerry Jones? I mean JJ is the freaking GM of the team...shit, he probably tells Grimace Phillips what plays to call.

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[quote=Ruhskins;643144]Am I the only one who finds it laughable when people say that Snyder is more meddlesome than Jerry Jones? I mean JJ is the freaking GM of the team...shit, he probably tells Grimace Phillips what plays to call.[/quote]

Well one argument against Snyder is that at least Jones is up front about being General Manager, instead of hiding. But that's those that believe that Snyder is overly meddlesome, as opposed to just an involved business owner

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[quote=SmootSmack;643152]Well one argument against Snyder is that at least Jones is up front about being General Manager, instead of hiding. But that's those that believe that Snyder is overly meddlesome, as opposed to just an involved business owner[/quote]

I hear what you say. However, unless someone in here has intimate knowledge of what happens behind closed doors at Redskins Park, to our knowledge Snyder has had other people involved in the decision-making process like Vinny and Joe Gibbs. Jerry Jones doesn't have a GM, he is the GM, he makes all the decisions. Snyder is a meddlesome owner, more than any owner, except Jerry Jones.

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[quote=GMScud;643010]Brittany Murphy?

EDIT: holy cow, I just saw that she died of a heart attack. At 32 years old. Terrible.[/quote]
~~~~
I have wondered for awhile if she did not have an eating disorder, that could lead to cardiac arrest as well.

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[quote=Ruhskins;643154]I hear what you say. However, unless someone in here has intimate knowledge of what happens behind closed doors at Redskins Park, to our knowledge Snyder has had other people involved in the decision-making process like Vinny and Joe Gibbs. Jerry Jones doesn't have a GM, he is the GM, he makes all the decisions. Snyder is a meddlesome owner, more than any owner, except Jerry Jones.[/quote]

There are a lot of "meddlesome" owners, but most aren't as public as Snyder. As the years go by it's increasingly difficult for me to have direct sources inside Redskins Park and I'm no longer working down there so I'm not in the locker room or at Redskins Park like I was seven or so years ago. So yeah I don't really know the absolute extent of what is going on now. I know that Scott Campbell is very, very involved in the off-season and Mo Brown during the regular season. I know that Schar and Fred Smith have input as owners (not as much the other owners).

But anyway, yeah I think Jones is more of a "one man band" than Snyder. Won't be popular for me to say, but Jones is a sharp man. Very intelligent. Not sure he should be the GM though

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[quote=Ruhskins;643154]I hear what you say. However, unless someone in here has intimate knowledge of what happens behind closed doors at Redskins Park, to our knowledge Snyder has had other people involved in the decision-making process like Vinny and Joe Gibbs. Jerry Jones doesn't have a GM, he is the GM, he makes all the decisions. [B]Snyder is a meddlesome owner, more than any owner, except Jerry Jones[/B].[/quote]

many would think they are both too involved, but atleast jerry jones has some actual football knowledge and background, snyder knows how to run a telecomunications company

jerry jones may be medelsome but he has had enjoyed successes as a medelsome owner, snyder has not

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[quote=mlmdub130;643159]many would think they are both too involved, but atleast jerry jones has some actual football knowledge and background, snyder knows how to run a telecomunications company

jerry jones may be medelsome but he has had enjoyed successes as a medelsome owner, snyder has not[/quote]

I would put Jones first and Snyder second (in regards of being meddlesome). I'm curious to know, was JJ this involved when Jimmy Johnson was the HC? Just curious.

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[quote=Ruhskins;643163]I would put Jones first and Snyder second (in regards of being meddlesome). I'm curious to know, was JJ this involved when Jimmy Johnson was the HC? Just curious.[/quote]

I don't think so. I think that was the big thing. Jones wanted more control and thought he didn't need Johnson so they went different ways.

Al Davis, Ralph Wilson, Bud Adams, Mike Brown, Zygi Wilf, all examples of "meddlesome" owners. Though Adams seems to have only become one in recent years perhaps due to his advancing age.