Diehardskin's Theory of the 2010 Redskins
 

By all recent accounts, it looks like Mike Shannahan will be the next head coach for the Washington Redskins. I am posting my theory of what will happen in the offseason. This is based on our current roster, the exspected2010 free agent and draft class. This is a theory, not fact. I look forward to viewing and discussing your reactions. If we hire a different coach, I will do an assessment based of what I think that coach will do as well. Please post your thoughts and beliefs as well.

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Is there more to this? Or is your theory just that Shanahan will be the coach?

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there more finishing up now.

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haha okay, so this thread is to let us know you have something to say later? lol

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The first thing is everyone knows that the Oline needs to be rebuilt. Typically Shanny's lines are slinder and athletic. They implement a zone blocking scheme, under this mold currently the skins have a lot of work to change.

Free Agents possibly brought in:
I first looked at Denver, Falcons and Texans possibly moving. We will be bringing in guys that know the system. Ben Hamilton, Tyson Clabo, Harvey Dahl, Chris Kuper, Chester Pitts all come to mind.

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Hamilton is currently Denver's back up center he is a gaurd/ center combo and a long time Bronco. I believe Rabach will be replaced in the starting lineup with someone who can come in and make the calls. Chester Pitts is comming off injury and could also be brought in.

I right now would say that the line up could be like this.

LT L.Jones
LG D. Dockery
C M.Hamilton/ C.Pitts
RG C. Rabach
RT T. Williams

Mike has done well this season at gaurd, but the skins will need someone who can move. Casey also played gaurd for the Ravens. I could see us drafting an atheletic gaurd in the 2 or 3 (if we trade down in the second). Right now I'm putting rabach there.

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Draft: I believe we will get a Lineman in the first. Allen believes in addressing the line he has picked a olineman 3 times in the first two round during his tenure with the Bucs. Trent Williams come to mind because of where we pick. I wouldn't be suprised if we traded back into the 1st to pick up a lineman if we picked a Qb with our 1st pick.

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Qb Jason Campbell will be a Redskin next year. If only that its better for the record to keep him than to immediatly replace him with a rookie. I exspect Collins to be gone, and we may draft a QB. Ideally Shanny QB's can move with his feet. Quick Trigger, Big Arm. Campbell meets most of these qualifiers, but he holds the ball too long. Especially if he is under pressure, or doesn't have trust in his line.

I cant make a call on which QB we are hot on until after the bowl games The injury to Bradford helped the skins. Being a QB with a shoulder injury is not good for the player and depending on how he does on the workout he could fall to the 2nd round better for us if we want a lineman in the first.

I appologize that this is peacemill in its make up, I will be better prepared next time I will evaluate the RB and skill position later today. Thank you for reading and I look forward to your feed back.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;642964][B]Draft: I believe we will get a Lineman in the first. Allen believes in addressing the line he has picked a olineman 3 times in the first two round during his tenure with the Bucs. [/B]Trent Williams come to mind because of where we pick. I wouldn't be suprised if we traded back into the 1st to pick up a lineman if we picked a Qb with our 1st pick.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with this. I think the Defense is kinda set for the most part. I would love to see us make a run in both 1st and 2nd round picking up O-lineman but I get the feeling they will pick up a QB Shanahan will want to work with for the future.

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I think we keep Jason Campbell and focus strongly on the O-line via the draft and FA. Ideally I'd like to move our #1 pick and stockpile more selections. I'm not opposed to taking a QB, but I'd like to do it in the 2nd or 3rd round (if we can get a 3rd by trading down) with a guy like Pike, Lefevour, or Zac Robinson. We're gonna need to address the RB position as well.

Starting over with a rookie QB in a complex system like the WCO is not the way to go. I would be fine with JC starting behind a re-tooled O-line, and Colt and a rookie with potential backing him up. We have a very solid, young defensive foundation. We're not going to need to score 30 points a game to win. Our offense will regress with a rookie QB starting, and if said rookie ends up as a bust, it could set us back years. We know we have a solid player in JC. He'll never be a top 5 QB (hell, only 5 men on earth are), but with a great D and better O-line, we can win with him.

Keeping JC will make this offense better in 2010. Build the O-line, and a RB, and let the 3 redshirt pass catchers continue to develop. Two TE sets with Cooley and Davis could be really nasty.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;642969]Qb Jason Campbell will be a Redskin next year. If only that its better for the record to keep him than to immediatly replace him with a rookie. I exspect Collins to be gone, and we may draft a QB. Ideally Shanny QB's can move with his feet. Quick Trigger, Big Arm. Campbell meets most of these qualifiers, but he holds the ball too long. Especially if he is under pressure, or doesn't have trust in his line.

[B]I cant make a call on which QB we are hot on until after the bowl games [/B]The injury to Bradford helped the skins. Being a QB with a shoulder injury is not good for the player and depending on how he does on the workout he could fall to the 2nd round better for us if we want a lineman in the first.

I appologize that this is peacemill in its make up, I will be better prepared next time I will evaluate the RB and skill position later today. Thank you for reading and I look forward to your feed back.[/quote]

Kiper's take, during his slot on the Sports Reporters, is that Colt McCoy is a classic Shanny QB (in the Jake Plummer mold) and that may be why the Skins we're personally scouting him.

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This thread is unique.
That's all I got for the moment, but in the spirit of this thread I will post more thoughts as they come to me.

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Campbell stays. Davis plays. Skins make playoffs. Nuff said.

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We draft a middle linebacker on the second day.

We draft a running back on the first and second day.

We don't draft an olineman with our first pick because that would be too obvious.

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If Shanny is here, IMO the our first two picks need to be spent on a Tackle and RB. I think (and hope) Portis is gone. I think ARE is gone. Shanny is going to want a receiver, I could seriously see us bring in a vet here. Vincent Jackson, Bolden or Brandon Marshall. Would Shanny bring in Marshall who he drafted? Id like to see a true #1 receiver in here with DT on the other side and Moss in the slot.

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I see Shanahan keeping JC, maybe pursuing Marshall (RFA), drafting an OL, RB, moving up to get a FS in the 3rd. Remember, Marshall was the 4th round pick in '06 we traded in order to get JC in '05, and Marshall has respect for Shanahan and knows Synder will pay him some heavy coin.

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you're kidding with the part about Rabach starting at guard, right? and why not Williams as the starting center?

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If we got Marshall, paried with Thomas, Moss, and the TE's, this offense would be so sweet, but you need o-line first so you have time to pass it to them. I am getting so excited about next year its crazy, but I feel this way every year! GOLLY!

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[quote=LandrySlice;643079]If we got Marshall, paried with Thomas, Moss, and the TE's, this offense would be so sweet, but you need o-line first so you have time to pass it to them. I am getting so excited about next year its crazy, but I feel this way every year! GOLLY![/quote]

Yeah definetely agree with addressing the o-line first, but assuming Shanahan comes in, and [B]if[/B] Marshall's available this is the perfect spot for him. An owner willing to shell out big contracts, and he's familar w/ Shanahans scheme. Marshall does have a "me first" but so did D-hall, but we need to shore up that O-line first.

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I don't see the skins using a high draft pick on a RB if Shanny comes in as the coach. He has been very successful with late rounders and FA's in his plug-n-play running game.
A major rebuilding is in the works, and there are needs at every position, if not for starting talent then for depth.
I think Campbell stays for another year, maybe two.

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[quote=LandrySlice;643079]If we got Marshall, paried with Thomas, Moss, and the TE's, this offense would be so sweet, but you need o-line first so you have time to pass it to them. I am getting so excited about next year its crazy, but I feel this way every year! GOLLY![/quote]

I don't see Marshall leaving Denver. He's got great rapport with Orton, and Pat Bowlen already indicated Marshall has a big raise coming. They'll lock him up long term.

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If we have a running back other than Portis next year starting we will already be ahead the game.

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[quote=GMScud;642985]
Starting over with a rookie QB in a complex system like the WCO is not the way to go. [/quote]

was cutler a starter his rookie year for shanny? if so, how did he do?

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IF Mike Shanahan comes here, this is what I see happening.
-Our first pick will be a QB, because OLineman are rich in free agency especially guys who know shanahans system like mentioned before. I see us getting Sam Bradford.(If he's not available then I see us getting Okung from Oklahoma state, plus some other good OT's that are juniors are declaring this year so you know some will drop and we could get one with our second rounder)

-We make a play for Brandon Marshall for sure

-We bring in at least one offensive lineman (Logan Mankins, and Marcus McNeil are free agents)

-Portis is surprisingly kept because he knows Shanahans offense well and can teach Ganther and the RB we'll bring in through the draft (Betts is gone, possibly Cartwright)

-We also make a play for Keith Bulluck of the Titans, and Josh Cribbs for our poor return game

-Orakpo gets moved to DE, and Bob Slowik will probably be our DC after Blache retires

-Levi Jones is resigned and Rocky is signed to a long term deal. Dockery and Levi will most likely be the only guys from this current line who are on it next year. Rabach maybe gone, as well as heyer (or kept as a backup)

-Possible OL for next year Levi Jones, Dockery, Rabach?, Chris Kuper/Chester Pitts, Russell Okung
Jones, Dockery, Rabach?, Mike Iupati (rookie; Idaho), Tyson Clabo

-Antwaan Randel El, Randy Thomas, Chris Samuels, Philip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Fred Smoot, Todd Collins, and Justin Tryon gone. With Portis, Rabach, Moss, Cooley, Campbell?, Heyer, Fletcher?, Landry, Carter, Rogers all on the fence as to who stays/ goes/gets traded.

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[quote=Zerohero;643119]If we have a running back other than Portis next year starting we will already be ahead the game.[/quote]

If we have a healthy RB next year we are ahead of the game.

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We will win the Super Bowl if we sign Pacman Jones.

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no way Shanahan brings Marshall here. there were reports that he was ready to cut him, but he got fired instead. tired of his antics

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[quote=Lotus;643135]We will win the Super Bowl if we sign Pacman Jones.[/quote]

i actually had a conversation about him with a friend, and i know it will probaly get shot down, but i thought it wouldn't have been that bad for us to bring him into camp, or atleast try, just pay him dirt and if he does anything wrong kick him out, i think he would have been a better option than anyone we have beside los smoot and hall

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Are people with all these theories taking into consideration how some free agents are going to be RFAs with the uncapped year? Just asking because many sites that have list of free agents don't have this information. I think Yahoo Sports has a list of UFAs and RFAs based on an uncapped year.

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[quote=wolfeskins;643122]was cutler a starter his rookie year for shanny? if so, how did he do?[/quote]

Cutler started 5 games his rookie year at the end of the season. He had 9 tds and 7 turnovers and had a rating of 82.5. Can't really take much from that.

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[quote=GMScud;642985]I think we keep Jason Campbell and focus strongly on the O-line via the draft and FA. Ideally I'd like to move our #1 pick and stockpile more selections. I'm not opposed to taking a QB, but I'd like to do it in the 2nd or 3rd round (if we can get a 3rd by trading down) with a guy like Pike, Lefevour, or Zac Robinson. We're gonna need to address the RB position as well.

Starting over with a rookie QB in a complex system like the WCO is not the way to go. I would be fine with JC starting behind a re-tooled O-line, and Colt and a rookie with potential backing him up. We have a very solid, young defensive foundation. We're not going to need to score 30 points a game to win. Our offense will regress with a rookie QB starting, and if said rookie ends up as a bust, it could set us back years. We know we have a solid player in JC. He'll never be a top 5 QB (hell, only 5 men on earth are), but with a great D and better O-line, we can win with him.

Keeping JC will make this offense better in 2010. Build the O-line, and a RB, and let the 3 redshirt pass catchers continue to develop. Two TE sets with Cooley and Davis could be really nasty.[/quote]

Tell em.

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[quote=wilsowilso;643040]This thread is unique.
That's all I got for the moment, but in the spirit of this thread I will post more thoughts as they come to me.[/quote]

i agree with your theory on the uniqueness of the thread and will also post my thoughts

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;643416]i agree with your theory on the uniqueness of the thread and will also post my thoughts[/quote]

I really appologize guys, I ment to go all out on this but I messed up. I gonna put something fully together and post it. I let ya down, I know I usally post better stuff.

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After watching the Redskins get embarrassed on Monday night football I have to adjust my thoughts on what Allen and Shanahan will do to this team. The defense is equally as bad as the offense. There is a need for massive change on this team. I feel that we must trade back into the first round this year in the draft.


QB: Jason Campbell has all the tools to become a great NFL QB. I feel he can run the Shanahan offence, he can scramble, run the bootleg. JC has a big arm, can take a hit and is a leader. However Jason makes too many mental mistakes and for as gifted as he is physically, he has not been able to put it together mentally. I like the guy as a person but he right now he is not the answer for the Washington Redskins.

I don’t feel like this is the end for Campbell in Washington, if only for the fact that he can be a cheap body for a year to protect the rookie from playing too early. If he is truly a RFA he should be tendered that way if another team makes a run at him we will get some additional picks that we need. Right now I am in the Sam Bradford camp. Ideally in this situation Bradford can learn the Shanahan offense and heal that shoulder of his completely. Then 2011 let Campbell walk or if he does well trade him for picks.


RB: Portis will be a Redskin next year, the Giants showed the reason why. He is the best blocking running back in the industry. He has lost a step, behind the right line he can do better. We will switch to a running back by committee. Ganther has done enough to stay on the roster. Rock Cartright and Ladel Betts will be cut because of age and injury. Mason simply will not make the team. If they draft Jonathon Dwyer, Jahvid Best, Toby Gerhart, Ryan Mathews, Dexter McCluster or Javarris James. Not all of these guys will be in the first round, but each are talented enough to give a boast to this roster.

Lets also not forget who our owner is. If a player like Sproles or Reggie Bush hits the market, we may make a run at him.

FB: Mike Sellars will be let go. He has not been able to block as he did his probowl season. Mike has never been much of a runner. I believe that also The Shanahan offense implements a lot of 1 back sets. If we drafted a player like Gerhart in the second can be converted to a FB/ goal line back. I know a lot of you won’t agree with me on that conversion, but I can see Gerhart as a Mike Alstott type of player.
WR, TE and a redo of my Oline will be posted next Thanks folks and tell me what you think!

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WR: This is a position that we are pretty much set on. The roster is currently set with a great mix of speed and height. The roster consist of Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El and Marko Mitchell. I can see only a few moves made on this unit. Randle El will obviously be cut. He has disappointed as a special teams specialist, and was clearly out of position since coming to Washington. Moss, regardless of what fans feel is the undisputed leader of the WR’s and in some ways the offense overall. He will not be moved. The extra wide receiver position will go unfilled, especially if the running back that I see being drafted is a Darren Sproles type player, who can return punts and kickoffs.

TE: This is the strongest unit on the roster. Cooley is a pro bowl caliber player and when he is healthy is a top 10 TE. Davis has the potential to be a Tony Gonzalez, Antonio Gate type of tight end. Either man can be flexed out to create match-up problems for opposing defenses. We will not trade Cooley, he is a better, more polished blocker and route runner. Todd Yoder is a adequate blocker and helps in the run game. If anything Scott Wachenheim should be retained for the job he did with Davis as a pro.

T: This position has been decimated by injuries and bad play on both sides of the line. Chris Samuels may be forced into retirement by injury and Heyer is not an NFL Caliber Tackle. This is where Shanahan and Allen will have the opportunity make a mark on this team. Currently, the starters on both sides are player’s off the scrap heap of late free agency. Heyer will be gone and a first rounder has to be used on a starting caliber tackle. I wouldn’t be surprised if we target the best Tackle available in Free Agency this year to go along with the draft pick.

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[quote=Lotus;643135]We will win the Super Bowl if we sign Pacman Jones.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=Son Of Man;643009]Kiper's take, during his slot on the Sports Reporters, is that Colt McCoy is a classic Shanny QB (in the Jake Plummer mold) and that may be why the Skins we're personally scouting him.[/quote]

Yes, and think of how perfect of a fit he will be behind Levi Jones, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Whoever the hell is healthy, and Stephon Heyer...Championship!

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According to Bmitch (filling in for the Junkies on 106.7) Shannahan basically ran CP out of town because he of his work ethic.....I don't see him being here next year, especially since Shanny prefers younger backs.

IMO, the skins need to cut ties with all the "me-me"/"think they are way better than they really are guys" like CP, Landry, and Rodgers. I know they can't do it all at once, but guys like that have to go OR get a total attitude adjustment.

From listening to B. Allen speak, I think he is going to go in that direction. This team needs a total makeover.

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[quote=maroonandblack30;645112]According to Bmitch (filling in for the Junkies on 106.7) Shannahan basically ran CP out of town because he of his work ethic.....I don't see him being here next year, especially since Shanny prefers younger backs.

IMO, the skins need to cut ties with all the "me-me"/"think they are way better than they really are guys" like CP, Landry, and Rodgers. I know they can't do it all at once, but guys like that have to go OR get a total attitude adjustment.

From listening to B. Allen speak, I think he is going to go in that direction. This team needs a total makeover.[/quote]
As you say, we cannot cut them all at one time. BUT, it may be amazing to see the attitude difference in....some, as others get the ax?

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[quote=Hog1;645119]As you say, we cannot cut them all at one time. BUT, it may be amazing to see the attitude difference in....some, as others get the ax?[/quote]

absolutely agree...I think there is talent on this team (on both sides of the ball) but the team culture keeps the team from being as good as it could be.