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Well this sucked...

[B]The First Drive[/B] Pretty much set the tone for the entire game. We were out-played and out-coached in every facet on that 10 hour, 100 play (sure felt like it) drive. They even ran the same play over and over again knowing we couldn't stop it. Truly embarassing

[B]Laron Landry[/B] Anyone else notice how he struggles in pass coverage?

[B]Pass Blocking by our Running Backs[/B]The offensive line was weak of course today. No denying their performance was sub-par. But they got no help at all, not even some chip blocks, from our running backs (and that includes Sellers). I've said it before and I'll say it again what we most from Portis at this point is that he's the best blocking back in football.

[B]Anyone who actually thinks DeAngelo Hall action's justified Brandon Jacobs taking a swing at him[/B] No one here really believes that. So we don't have to worry about that

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] I know the protection was pretty putrid today. But the numbers don't lie...he threw two horrible interceptions that were his fault. Plus, how is it that Collins comes in and fires off two deep passes? I'll tell you why, because he wasn't afraid to take on 3rd string DBs, even in tight coverage. I think JC will and should be re-signed but quit playing scared. Make some throws.

[B]Santana Moss[/B] Spins more balls than Liberace. Just stop already


[B]Having to work with a bunch of Giants fans[/B] Thank goodness most people are on vacation this week

I could go on and on here. We had the chance to really show something on national television tonight...and we did. Unfortunately

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[quote=SmootSmack;644191]Well this sucked...


[B]Jason Campbell[/B] I know the protection was pretty putrid today. But the numbers don't lie...he threw two horrible interceptions that were his fault. Plus, how is it that Collins comes in and fires off two deep passes? I'll tell you why, because he wasn't afraid to take on 3rd string DBs, even in tight coverage. I think JC will and should be re-signed but quit playing scared. Make some throws.

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i completly agree. this game was all around terrible,i was expecting alot more but what can you really say

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All of the above. I don't know what to think about Jason coming back in. On one hand, no one can possibly say he's not a leader now. On the other, he definitely hurt his stock around the league in doing so. Or at least, I think he did.

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[quote=SmootSmack;644191]Well this sucked...

[B]The First Drive[/B] Pretty much set the tone for the entire game. We were out-played and out-coached in every facet on that 10 hour, 100 play (sure felt like it) drive. They even ran the same play over and over again knowing we couldn't stop it. Truly embarassing

[B]Laron Landry[/B] Anyone else notice how he struggles in pass coverage?

[B]Pass Blocking by our Running Backs[/B]The offensive line was weak of course today. No denying their performance was sub-par. But they got no help at all, not even some chip blocks, from our running backs (and that includes Sellers). I've said it before and I'll say it again what we most from Portis at this point is that he's the best blocking back in football.

[B]Anyone who actually thinks DeAngelo Hall action's justified Brandon Jacobs taking a swing at him[/B] No one here really believes that. So we don't have to worry about that

[B]Jason Campbell[/B] I know the protection was pretty putrid today. But the numbers don't lie...he threw two horrible interceptions that were his fault. Plus, how is it that Collins comes in and fires off two deep passes? I'll tell you why, because he wasn't afraid to take on 3rd string DBs, even in tight coverage. I think JC will and should be re-signed but quit playing scared. Make some throws.

[B]Santana Moss[/B] Spins more balls than Liberace. Just stop already


[B]Having to work with a bunch of Giants fans[/B] Thank goodness most people are on vacation this week

I could go on and on here. [B]We had the chance to really show something on national television tonight...and we did. Unfortunately[/B][/quote]

And that's really all there is to say. Our defense shit the bed in absolutely epic fashion, and our O-line is despicable. I'll defer to GTripp on this one, but eff Casey Rabach on his inability to call out protections. I saw more guys come free up the middle than I have since Patrick Ramsey was pitching it around the ball yard.

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I could go in depth but I'll leave it at this.

The Redskins. As a team, organization, whatever you want to call it, it was everything. Spectacular fail on Monday Night Football, in front of the entire nation. Awesome. Couldn't have picked a better night to get blown the fuck out by a hated rival.

Five words. Is the season over yet?

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Also, Blache absolutely needs to be fired before Zorn does. I don't care if it's two weeks before or five minutes before. The guy just mails it in every single week.

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In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.

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I said this during the gameday thread, but it bears repeating. The gap between the Redskins and the rest of the NFC East is overwhelming. The Giants are just flat out better than us top to bottom. And they're the third best team in the division.

If anything, this game put to rest any of the doubt we had about how bad our 4-10 team really is. The previous 4 or 5 games where we were playing "with heart" were a complete mirage.

There is so much work to do here, it's incomprehensible.

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btw i think you should have mentioned how heyer could be the worst o line man in the nfl and shold never take another snap for the redskins again

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[quote=Beemnseven;644212]I said this during the gameday thread, but it bears repeating. The gap between the Redskins and the rest of the NFC East is overwhelming. The Giants are just flat out better than us top to bottom. And they're the third best team in the division.

If anything, this game put to rest any of the doubt we had about how bad our 4-10 team really is. The previous 4 or 5 games where we were playing "with heart" were a complete mirage.

There is so much work to do here, it's incomprehensible.[/quote]You can't use the head-to-head argument, and then assert that the Giants are the 3rd best team in the division. They kick our ass every time we play them, but we always match up fine with Philadelphia and Dallas. So, really, it appears to just be a Giants gap.

I don't think you need to say that the Giants are the cream of division if their not, but we've been out-coached every time we've played them since Grilliams left. And it's more than just Blache. We could replace him, and there would still be a meaningful gap. But that seems like the easiest way to close it.

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All Burgundy Uniforms:
Everytime we wear them in prime time we get ass raped...
Last years Steelers game should've retired them forever.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;644208]In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.[/quote]

At least one guy on the team has some balls.

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[quote=GTripp0012;644217]You can't use the head-to-head argument, and then assert that the Giants are the 3rd best team in the division. They kick our ass every time we play them, but we always match up fine with Philadelphia and Dallas. So, really, it appears to just be a Giants gap.

I don't think you need to say that the Giants are the cream of division if their not, but we've been out-coached every time we've played them since Grilliams left. And it's more than just Blache. We could replace him, and there would still be a meaningful gap. But that seems like the easiest way to close it.[/quote]

Well, they're the third best team in the division right now in terms of wins.

ESPN just ran a stat: Redskins are 15-32 against the NFC East since 2002. That's a pretty big gap if you ask me.

We aren't anywhere close to threatening this division.

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Agree except I doubt jc is back

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[B]Bruce Allen[/B] - The team is worse with you then it was with Vinny. Can't believe I'm going to say this but we need to bring back Vinny ASAP. Bruce Allen has never won a game since he was named the Redskins GM. Vinny on the other hand won 12 since 2008, and that doesn't include preseason games. Face it guys, Vinny was the best thing that ever happened to this team.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;644247][B]Bruce Allen[/B] - The team is worse with you then it was with Vinny. Can't believe I'm going to say this but we need to bring back Vinny ASAP. Bruce Allen has never won a game since he was named the Redskins GM. Vinny on the other hand won 12 since 2008, and that doesn't include preseason games. Face it guys, Vinny was the best thing that ever happened to this team.[/quote]

:rofl:

Good one Dirt.

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[quote=Beemnseven;644235]Well, they're the third best team in the division right now in terms of wins.

ESPN just ran a stat: Redskins are 15-32 against the NFC East since 2002. That's a pretty big gap if you ask me.

We aren't anywhere close to threatening this division.[/quote]Well, right, we have to be better than the Giants, and the other teams. My point was that the talent between us and the Giants appears to be comparable, but they always go into the game knowing exactly how we plan to attack them. And it allows them to cover for such awful coverage deficiencies by taking our passing game out early and making our receivers quit.

No matter how badly they've beaten us, we've never changed our approach against them. Seems like the gap would be quite easy to close if our coaches weren't so arrogant. Blache has so much respect for the Eagles: he tries new stuff every time he plays them. He consistently schemes the Cowboys hard every game. Against Eli, he takes the week off and uses the same tired blitz packages, to which the Giants now have simple screen plays designed to take the yards we hand them without any risk.

I don't want to make it sound like I'm letting Zorn off here, his protection schemes, generally very sound, always get broken down to dust by the Giants. Quinton Ganther was our STARTING RUNNINGBACK this week, and had no idea who he was supposed to block ever. Ran just as hard as he normally does, but he wasn't seeing the field at all. Rabach was playing his own damn game out there, on a field where the Redskins can cover for his mental errors.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;644247][B]Bruce Allen[/B] - The team is worse with you then it was with Vinny. Can't believe I'm going to say this but we need to bring back Vinny ASAP. Bruce Allen has never won a game since he was named the Redskins GM. Vinny on the other hand won 12 since 2008, and that doesn't include preseason games. Face it guys, Vinny was the best thing that ever happened to this team.[/quote]

Vinny is that you?

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[B]The Refs[/B]: I know we're a basement team and deserve no respect, but come the fuck on. Terrible officiating. Tons of holding non-calls, Campbell getting hit 5-10 seconds after releasing the ball, and flagging Haynesworth while Hall is being pummeled into the ground (I'm sure SFREDSKINS loved that) by Jacobs and another Giant. WTF?! I know we didn't lose this because of this, but shit.

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[quote=Ruhskins;644261][B]The Refs[/B]: I know we're a basement team and deserve no respect, but come the fuck on. Terrible officiating. Tons of holding non-calls, Campbell getting hit 5-10 seconds after releasing the ball, and flagging Haynesworth while Hall is being pummeled into the ground (I'm sure SFREDSKINS loved that) by Jacobs and another Giant. WTF?! I know we didn't lose this because of this, but shit.[/quote]

Yeah, it hardly seems worth mentioning after getting shellacked like this, but the referees clearly had it out for the Skins tonight.

The Monday Night crew was incredulous that there wasn't a flag thrown on Jacobs.

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Bring back Vinny!

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The Redskins defense - - that one that is so highly ranked in the league and the one that has all those "stars" on it - - came out and allowed a 10 minute drive for the length of the field on the first possession. The Giants ran the same running play - - off tackle left - - whenever they needed yards and they got it. Not to worry, that defensive unit came out on the second Giants' possession and gave up another TD. Then they folded their tents and surrendered another one in the first half.

That defense that had played so hard and showed such fire when their "stars" [Haynesworth and Hall] were out got their "stars" back tonight and the defense stunk! How do you add two "stars" to your lineup and get significantly worse? Answer: Those "stars" are vastly over-rated.

The last home game where the defenders were so dominated was in World War II and the "team" was the French Army.

Remember, the Giants were playing most of the game without two of their five OL starters. Seems to me as if their "subs" were good enough to handle the Skins' "stars".

Can we also please put to rest any idea that there is more than one offensive lineman on the roster who is an adequate NFL offensive lineman. Derrick Dockery is OK; I doubt he could start for any other team in the NFC East, but he belongs on an OL in the NFL. Everyone else is simply insufficient. Heyer, Robinson, Batiste, Jones, Montgomery, Williams make for good cannon fodder in training camp. If more than two of them are back next year, the Skins have to pray there are zero OL injuries for the entire season.

[B]Memo to Santana Moss:[/B] Don't ever "spin the ball" when you make a first down and the score is 24-0 against you. It makes you and your whole team look like a herd of donkeys.

[B]Memo to DeAngelo Hall[/B]: If you aren't going to tackle anyone, how about providing some tight pass coverage on 90% of the pass plays?

Oh, BTW, not that it mattered tonight, but the Skins' new kicker didn't exactly cover himself in glory tonight either.

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You know, I was diappointed all around with the play of this team. For the first time though I actually watched the Comcast Post game show. In my mind Fred Davis seems to be a true professional. He came out and talked candidly and respectfully about the performance of the team this evening and throughout the whole interview I could not help but think to myself that this guy is a true but honest professional. I can see the desire in his eyes and I believe that he is going to be a leader of this team for a long time.

Who I did not see tonight, not even on the sideline was one Clinton Portis or Chris Cooley. I feel as if these guys have already packed their bags. That hurts because I really liked Cooley. I see a big turnaround comming, I just don't know if it is good or not.

As far as the defense is concerned, they did not play up to their capabilites at all from the first snap to the last. This really disturbed me because even in the wake of a possible roster blow up I felt that the one unit that should play their hearts out and have nothing to fear it should be the defense. Tonight they were uninspired though, and they even managed to play worse with AH and DH in the lineup. Yes, I do realize that AH had a sack and 5 tackles.

I cannot believe that the coaching staff was crazy enough to try for that 4th down conversion when we needed points. It didn't matter that Gano had a hurt foot or not we needed to try. The missed extra point was essentially blocked. To sign a new kicker and not use him was mind boggling. It is almost as if they decided that they were going to win the game big or not at all. After the first drive "not at all" was definately their choice.

If Bruce Allen learns nothing else from this showdown, he needs to know that he has to build us to beat the NFC East, but in particular the Giants.

Here is to getting a more physical offensive line in 2010. Hail to the Redskins and good night!

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;644208]In my opinion, every player should be on the list except for Albert Haynesworth. I was opposed to signing Haynesworth and still think he's not worth the investment. That said, tonight he played well and I liked the fire he showed. I usually blast players for drawing flags, but I make a special exception for players who draw flags while defending teammates. Haynesworth has been flagged twice for defending Hall. He's got that nasty attitude and shows loyalty to his teammates. I love it.[/quote]
I couldn't agree with this more. We need more players with this attitude. Someone said it best, "We need more thugs on this team."

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[quote=RMSkins;644356]I couldn't agree with this more. We need more players with this attitude. Someone said it best, [B]"We need more thugs on this team."[/quote][/B]


Hey, it worked for the Hurricanes when they needed a turnaround to save their program.. History repeats???

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[quote=GMScud;644204]And that's really all there is to say. Our defense shit the bed in absolutely epic fashion, and our O-line is despicable. I'll defer to GTripp on this one, but eff Casey Rabach on his inability to call out protections. I saw more guys come free up the middle than I have since Patrick Ramsey was pitching it around the ball yard.[/quote]Yeah, it's really obvious at this point. I know Bugel loves Rabach more than he loves winning, but I mean, someone has to be considering starting Edwin Williams at C next week. It's a short week, but someone on the offensive coaching staff still has a pulse...right?

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I think the one real knock on Jason Campbell at this point is that if you hit him hard enough, consistently enough, he gets very wild, starts perceiving pressure, and doesn't get through his progressions. I would imagine this is true with most NFL QBs, but it's certainly true with him.

There's an easy solution here, that I think Bruce Allen is smart enough to figure out.

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[quote=GTripp0012;644363]I think the one real knock on Jason Campbell at this point is that if you hit him hard enough, consistently enough, he gets very wild, starts perceiving pressure, and doesn't get through his progressions. I would imagine this is true with most NFL QBs, but it's certainly true with him.

There's an easy solution here, that I think Bruce Allen is smart enough to figure out.[/quote]

I just hope that he realizes that no QB could win under these circumstances and that building an offensive line is the priority.

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[quote=Ruhskins;644261][B]The Refs[/B]: I know we're a basement team and deserve no respect, but come the fuck on. Terrible officiating. Tons of holding non-calls, Campbell getting hit 5-10 seconds after releasing the ball, and flagging Haynesworth while Hall is being pummeled into the ground (I'm sure SFREDSKINS loved that) by Jacobs and another Giant. WTF?! I know we didn't lose this because of this, but shit.[/quote]
Agreed.. full on tackles well after the ball release too.. not just running into him

was there even offensive holding called on the giants ONCE? I can't recall one

the guy that ran up and knocked hall over (wtf.. small ass hall vs jacobs and you come to help jacobs?) should've drawn a flag.. jacobs for swinging twice should have earned a flag.. I'd say an ejection but sometimes these guys have to let a lil extra steam off and I'm glad that this year they're not ejecting everyone for scuffles.. for example moss and was it webster? week 1... they squashed the beef shortly thereafter

it didn't lose us the game like you said, but damn it's like the refs and us were battling to see who could perform worse

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Man I feel asleep somewhere in the 2nd qtr. due to some painpills Im taking because of dislocated shoulder/rotator cuff injury. Well from what Ive read it was a bad night. I just seen some highlights..

What in the hell was that play on Special Teams where they shifted their players left and the giants called a T.O and they did it any way whos call was that?

Why did JC leave the game and come back? Was it due to the protection? Was he benched for bad play?

Where the Refs really that bad? I caught a little of the AH scuffle ESPN said You can tell who has a fire in them and who doesnt on our team, but looks as if their should of been a flag on N.Y.

The only thing good about N.Y. winning is this puts more pressure on Dallas to win out. Hopefully we make up on Sunday and put a nice beating on Dallas. Now since their the favorites to win the Super Bowl via Sat. win. Unlike SMOOTSMACK is glad everyone is on vacation and he wont hear as much smack. My entire Family will be hear Christmas and I wont be able to get away from the We are Americas Team nonsense. But with a win Im sure that will hush the herd.

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Who was back in punt return did ARE make an appearence back there?

What was the commentating like due to us hiring B.Allen?

What did Gruden say about our sititaution if anything?

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Can anyone think of a more embarrassing lost on MNF ever? I really cant.
But we are what our record states, a f*cking horrible, pathetic team. BUT, we have gotten rid of our biggest issue Vinny so that is a plus. My smack now after being able to sleep on it:

1. Its a broken record: our offensive line is god aweful. Heyer is horrible in pass protection. We honest to god need at least 2 new starters in on the line, Tackle and either RG or the other Tackle position. Rabauch at center is bad, but Ill think we will keep him at this point but bring someone to challenge for the spot, maybe Williams but who knows.
2. Anyone stating Zorn can stay and still head coach is crazy. I just dont get the defending of such a poor coach. People like stats, look at his record, nuff said. The way he didnt get this team ready to play for a national audience last night was IMO enough to get him fired now, and put in Jerry Gray as HC. The man looked pathetic on the sidelines. Blanche probably should go based on his unit's preformance as well. Danny Smith too, yeah he called a couple fakes this year, f8ck him.
3. Free Safety is now officially a need on this team. Move Laron to his natural position of strong safety and lets throw some money at a vet in the offseason. Laron is playing with zero confidence.
4. The other thread of cut 10 starters should be taken into consideration by Bruce Allen. If we are bring in new FO, new HC, then new players should follow. To everybody stating "we are not far off", please....we are at least 2 years, maybe 3 from seriously challenging within our own division. Its going to take patience, lets start by getting some of the Gibbs, Vinny guys off the team...some immediate, some more slowly...immediate: ARE, Portis, Daniels, Rock, Randy Thomas, Wynn, Samuels (retirement due injury), more slowly: Moss, Rabauch, Carlos, Betts, Rocky.
5. JC was bad last night, BUT after seeing other vets who I would consider options for next year (Hasselbeck, Bulger, Penningtion, etc.) he is still our best option at QB by far. Several horrible throws last night, but like we have said, he is average QB and I think we get a couple games like that unfortunately with him back there.

Bruce Allen good luck, I have faith in you, and if any higher power is reading this post and other posts here, please dont let us play like that again for next week game. Amen.

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the mnf crew really got on my nerves last night, especially gruden, he was an ass i thought. i turned sonny and sam on the radio.

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F the whole team and staff. They gave up, season over.

At least now Bruce Allen doesn't have to feel bad about cleaning house.

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[quote=Mattyk;644416]F the whole team and staff. They gave up, season over.

At least now Bruce Allen doesn't have to feel bad about cleaning house.[/quote]

you know matty....i was trying to come up with something about this game and you came up with a shortened version. i like yours.

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Maybe the team is MAKING SURE the coaching staff is.........GONE?
............disgrace

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Not much else to say, right?

I turned the game off early in the 3rd quarter. Not sure I've ever done that before.

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[quote=GTripp0012;644200]All of the above. I don't know what to think about [B]Jason coming back[/B] in. On one hand, no one can possibly say he's not a leader now. On the other, he definitely hurt his stock around the league in doing so. Or at least, I think he did.[/quote]
maybe he will never be the same after the shellacking he has been taking this season. kind of like a Pat Ramsey syndrome. and whats up with people bitching about the refs? sure, they missed one on Jacobs, but during that scuffle Haynesworth threw a punch as well

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We lost to GB on MNF in 2001-2002 maybe? That was pretty awful.

Can we please never ever wear burgundy on burgundy again. They don't even look good.

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Did it start with Hall being dragged around by the facemask, or did I mis-see it?

Defense, for the first time all year, never showed up to play. Strangely, I felt we were completely out of it starting during the third Giants drive, and not because of the offense (only 2 series so far for them), but because our defense simply couldn't stop them.

Our offensive playmakers outplayed our defensive playmakers.

JC was under ridiculous pressure during the first half, recovered starting the second half, and then went downhill due to earlier pressure from the Giants and game pressure. Collins came in, however, and immediately delivered the goods. Hmmm...

The offensive line was truly offensive, earning it my Golden Goat award. The other goes to the defense.