In defense of Albert Haynesworth
 

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[QUOTE]You know, there is some stuff Pro Football Talk writes that is pretty good, and then other stuff that is down right mind boggling, and well, stupid. [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/week-16-morning-aftermath-haynesworth-must-go/"]This is the latter case[/URL].[/QUOTE]

PFT is way off base this time.

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I agree Haynesworth is a monster. We went from a bottom barrell sack team to a top ten. The combination of Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter and a healthy Jarmon is comparable to the Giants at their best in my opinion.

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Haynesworth showed on those two 4th and 1 stops just how dominating he can be

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[quote=SmootSmack;646975]Haynesworth showed on those two 4th and 1 stops just how dominating he can be[/quote]

I agree that when AH is in he's great but when they needed him to keep Dallas from going up 14-0 (they ran right over where he should have been) he was on the sideline sucking wind. He seesm to get winded so fast that I cant help but wonder if he has some kind of breathing problem.

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He doesnt have a breathing problem...he's just out of shape.

He showed up way out of shape and he has gradually been getting better, but getting in a few plays a week isn't the way to go. Next year he needs to work out like a beast in the off-season, get his cardio back up, and then he can be in there when it counts....

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I bet AH is in better shape than any 5 of us combined. He's sucking air because he has 2 OL players on him at all times. AH is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he sits down, he's out of shape. If he is on the field and not doing 100% every snap he doesn't care and is lazy. I don't think either is true. Most DL rotate because when they're in you want 100%. AH is no different. I'd rather have him play less snaps per game and be able to go 100% during those snaps.

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[quote=Daseal;646993]I bet AH is in better shape than any 5 of us combined. He's sucking air because he has 2 OL players on him at all times. [B]AH is damned if he does damned if he doesn't.[/B] If he sits down, he's out of shape. If he is on the field and not doing 100% every snap he doesn't care and is lazy. I don't think either is true. Most DL rotate because when they're in you want 100%. AH is no different. I'd rather have him play less snaps per game and be able to go 100% during those snaps.[/quote]

Excellent post.

As far as being "damned if he does...", that is what happens when you sign a huge contract and thus become a magnet for criticism.

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[quote=Daseal;646993]I bet AH is in better shape than any 5 of us combined. He's sucking air because he has 2 OL players on him at all times. AH is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. If he sits down, he's out of shape. If he is on the field and not doing 100% every snap he doesn't care and is lazy. I don't think either is true. Most DL rotate because when they're in you want 100%. AH is no different. I'd rather have him play less snaps per game and be able to go 100% during those snaps.[/quote]

I understand the need to rotate to have him at 100% for the snaps he's in but with that said he's gotta be able to go on a a goal line play that could put your team down by 14, especially when your team struggles to score points.

I do think that AH has done a good job and made others around him better.

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Love the guy I hope he retires a skin

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AH had a good year. He's a difference maker. If you're the skins, i guess you could see what you could get for him, right? What could you get for him?

If you could get a first or second would you do it? I don't know, maybe.

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Why is it that other NFL players will say publicly that Albert Haynesworth takes plays off and dogs it on the field some time? Is that just to make this "monster" even more angry when he takes the field against them? Or is it a fact and they know they can take him when he isn't going at full speed?


Since most other players do not have a death wish, my guess is that they are not "pulling the monster's tail".


If he were in good condition - - that comes from participating in ALL of the training camp drills and going hard in ALL of the training camp drills - - he might have to take off a play or three a game. But Haynesworth was not a full participant from the day he showed up in training camp, has not been ever since, and now is off the field for about 25 snaps a game and playing at less than full speed for another dozen. For $100M ($43M guaranteed) you might expect just a tad more...

Here is when you might see a tad more. The current contract goes for 7 years. In years 6 and 7 he will try to turn it on full blast again. Until then ... have a nice day whoever has to coach him

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Letting him go after one miserable season (for the entire team) would definitely be kneejerk. What we really need is a strong head coach in place who knows how to get the most out of him. Right now he's just frustrated and while his spouting off to the media wasn't a great idea, it's hardly a reason to let the guy go.

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Matty:

Agree you cannot let him go. For one thing, with that contract in existence, his trade value now is close to zero.


What the Skins need more than anything else is a coach with the authority to make Haynesworth and all the players adhere to [B]team[/B] rules that are focused on building a [B]team[/B] and not an assembly of individual players. I think it was Colinsowrth last night who said that if you wanted to spend $100M on players, you might want to spend it on a bunch of guys like London Fletcher who are always in the game and always hustling and always thinking about team success instead of personal glory. Guess what; he's right!


But as long as there is any way for Haynesworth and other players to end run the coaching staff to have "someone upstairs" intercede for them, the Redskins will never be a team. Simple as that...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647022]Matty:

Agree you cannot let him go. For one thing, with that contract in existence, his trade value now is close to zero.


What the Skins need more than anything else is a coach with the authority to make Haynesworth and all the players [B]adhere to [B]team[/B] rules that are focused on building a [B]team[/B] and not an assembly of individual players.[/B] I think it was Colinsowrth last night who said that if you wanted to spend $100M on players, you might want to spend it on a bunch of guys like London Fletcher who are always in the game and always hustling and always thinking about team success instead of personal glory. Guess what; he's right!


But as long as there is any way for Haynesworth and other players to end run the coaching staff to have "someone upstairs" intercede for them, the Redskins will never be a team. Simple as that...[/quote]

I find it interesting that both Haynesworth and J.Taylor commented specifically on how the Redskins were a bunch of individuals, not a team.

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I think Florio just doesn't like AH. He seems to make a decision about a guy and then that is it. To him AH is a thug asshat that no team should let play.

He had a post last week about how "disappointing" AH has been. That's when I realized that Florio doesn't know a lot about football. He may know a lot about the NFL but football...no. AH has been a monster. No other way to look at it.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647022]But as long as there is any way for Haynesworth and other players to end run the coaching staff to have "someone upstairs" intercede for them, the Redskins will never be a team. Simple as that...[/quote]
Truer words...truer words.

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Im actually glad that we have a guy that isnt always taking the high road and saying the "right" things all the time. He isnt afraid to call people out. I really think that he is refreshing and is going to force other players into playing with heart. The money, as of yet doesnt seem like it has effected his desire to dominate. I think he is just nasty and wants not just to win but to make you feel pain. Hopefully the new regime will allow AH to be himself. He will lift the rest of the team up and the lazy and half hearted will be exposed!

HTTR!!!!

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647022]


What the Skins need more than anything else is a coach with the authority to make Haynesworth and all the players adhere to [B]team[/B] rules that are focused on building a [B]team[/B] and not an assembly of individual players. I think it was Colinsowrth last night who said that if you wanted to spend $100M on players, you might want to spend it on a bunch of guys like London Fletcher who are always in the game and always hustling and always thinking about team success instead of personal glory. Guess what; he's right!


But as long as there is any way for Haynesworth and other players to end run the coaching staff to have "someone upstairs" intercede for them, the Redskins will never be a team. Simple as that...[/quote]


This deserves a bump

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[quote=Mattyk;647012]Letting him go after one miserable season (for the entire team) would definitely be kneejerk. What we really need is a strong head coach in place who knows how to get the most out of him. Right now he's just frustrated and while his spouting off to the media wasn't a great idea, it's hardly a reason to let the guy go.[/quote]

I agree, he admitted himself he spoke out of frustration, I share in his frustration as well. Some people just love to complain.

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I'd take an entire team of AHs in terms of attitude. Look the guy has no motive to bitch that isn't pure. He's got his contract. He doesn't like to lose. And apparently he feels like, surprise surprise, Blache has again subverted a player's abilities in the name of his f*cking scheme. At least he cares abput the damn team. It's better than listening to the likes of Rock Cartwright and Carlos Rogers constantly bitching about playing time or disrespect from the coaches.

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[quote=FRPLG;647069]I'd take an entire team of AHs in terms of attitude. Look the guy has no motive to bitch that isn't pure. He's got his contract. He doesn't like to lose. And apparently he feels like, surprise surprise, Blache has again subverted a player's abilities in the name of his f*cking scheme. At least he cares abput the damn team. It's better than listening to the likes of Rock Cartwright and Carlos Rogers constantly bitching about playing time or disrespect from the coaches.[/quote]

You bet! :food-smil

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[quote=SmootSmack;646975]Haynesworth showed on those two 4th and 1 stops just how dominating he can be[/quote]

The problem is for every good play he makes he then takes the next 4-5 plays off.

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[quote=Daseal;646993]I bet AH is in better shape than any 5 of us combined. [B]He's sucking air because he has 2 OL players on him at all times. AH is damned if he does damned if he doesn't[/B]. If he sits down, he's out of shape. If he is on the field and not doing 100% every snap he doesn't care and is lazy. I don't think either is true. Most DL rotate because when they're in you want 100%. AH is no different. I'd rather have him play less snaps per game and be able to go 100% during those snaps.[/quote]

Not true. He was rarely double teamed last night. He just needs to get in better shape. He got over on us this year so it's done. Now next year no excuses. I want this guy coming in lean and mean and ready to dominate.

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yes let's get rid of one of the few players on our team that seems to be truly pissed off by all our losses and the manner we're losing them in......... It's not like Big Al came out and said he couldnt care any less about this season because he's making his money. He's been vocal about things that in general we as fans have been vocal about!

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647022]What the Skins need more than anything else is a coach with the authority to make Haynesworth and all the players adhere to [B]team[/B] rules that are focused on building a [B]team[/B] and not an assembly of individual players.[/quote]

Did anyone else think of this, when they read the above post?

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[quote=skinsfan69;647081]Not true. He was rarely double teamed last night. He just needs to get in better shape. He got over on us this year so it's done. Now next year no excuses. I want this guy coming in lean and mean and ready to dominate.[/quote]

i'm not sure which thread it was in but ss listed ah's playing % and he was right at or above 75%, they rotate d lineman in alot in thei d scheme we have right now, and after watching it more closely i would say ah plays more snaps than any other d line man on our team

but as far as him getting his way and doing what he wants with no discipline that is all on danny boy and hopefully with some new head guys in here next year with back bone and a sack, that won't happen

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All this BS speculation is useless. We have (hopefully) a new and competant Defensive staff coming in as well as offensive. It is incumbent upon........competant coaches to....do that coaching shit, like:
maintaining unity and the TEAM first vision
positive unified front to the media
assuring adequate game preparation
promote and demand a fitness level suitable for success
etc, etc...........its they're job

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647010]Why is it that other NFL players will say publicly that Albert Haynesworth takes plays off and dogs it on the field some time? Is that just to make this "monster" even more angry when he takes the field against them? Or is it a fact and they know they can take him when he isn't going at full speed?
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The guy has spoken out saying that he's being held back from playing harder. If you don't recall the defense that you hate, lead by Blache, often uses the D-Line to occupy linemen in order to let the LBs make the play. Haynesworth wants to rush more.. how are you going to blame the man? Should he play out of scheme and get benched like Lavar?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;647022]Matty:

Agree you cannot let him go. For one thing, with that contract in existence, his trade value now is close to zero.


What the Skins need more than anything else is a coach with the authority to make Haynesworth and all the players adhere to [B]team[/B] rules that are focused on building a [B]team[/B] and not an assembly of individual players. I think it was Colinsowrth last night who said that if you wanted to spend $100M on players, you might want to spend it on a bunch of guys like London Fletcher who are always in the game and always hustling and always thinking about team success instead of personal glory. Guess what; he's right!


But as long as there is any way for Haynesworth and other players to end run the coaching staff to have "someone upstairs" intercede for them, the Redskins will never be a team. Simple as that...[/quote]
Wasn't his contract greatly front-loaded and that other 57mil or so mostly unattainable money?

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[quote=FRPLG;647069]I'd take an entire team of AHs in terms of attitude. Look the guy has no motive to bitch that isn't pure. He's got his contract. He doesn't like to lose. And apparently he feels like, surprise surprise, Blache has again subverted a player's abilities in the name of his f*cking scheme. At least he cares abput the damn team. It's better than listening to the likes of Rock Cartwright and Carlos Rogers constantly bitching about playing time or disrespect from the coaches.[/quote]

Tony Dungy predicted this back when the season started. He said it was known around the league that if things went bad for the team AH would begin complaining as the season wound to a close. Looks like he was right.

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[quote=irish;647222]Tony Dungy predicted this back when the season started. He said it was known around the league that if things went bad for the team AH would begin complaining as the season wound to a close. Looks like he was right.[/quote]

Good for him. So what?

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When AH gets carted off its definitely amusing, but his impact on the line is crazy. There is no denying it.

What the hell has A. Carter done the last 3 years? Absolutely nothing. Its not like he got younger and more talented overnight. Sure AH's conditioning isn't great, he plays a bit more than 60 percent of snaps. If we can get that to 70, I think it is worth it.

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In terms of maturity, comments, etc. I think it boils back down to the organization. The system we have in place, where the owner overrides everything, reduces the coaches authority, prevents them from having their own people, etc. breeds the environment and the behavior we see in comments from AH, Rock, Portis.

I dont justify their actions, but their really isnt any strong authority or organization which would prevent it.

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[quote=FRPLG;647241]Good for him. So what?[/quote]

So it means AH is a malcontent when times get tough. He shot his mouth off about the team needeing leadership but falling asleep in meetings and being late for practice isnt showing leadership especially when you are making $100 Mil. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and AH definitely lives in a glass house.

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[quote=irish;647256]So it means AH is a malcontent when times get tough. He shot his mouth off about the team needeing leadership but falling asleep in meetings and being late for practice isnt showing leadership especially when you are making $100 Mil. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and AH definitely lives in a glass house.[/quote]

He was falling asleep in meetings?

And are you sure that's what Dungy said?

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[quote=hooskins;647249]When AH gets carted off its definitely amusing, but his impact on the line is crazy. There is no denying it.

What the hell has A. Carter done the last 3 years? Absolutely nothing. Its not like he got younger and more talented overnight. Sure AH's conditioning isn't great, he plays a bit more than 60 percent of snaps. If we can get that to 70, I think it is worth it.[/quote]
You and the WT disagree on the amount he's playing it seems.

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He's played over 70% in the games he's played in as documented by the Times. I heard Al Michaels the other night mention he's only played 60% and I was like great, here we go again.

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[quote=irish;647256]So it means AH is a malcontent when times get tough. He shot his mouth off about the team needeing leadership but falling asleep in meetings and being late for practice isnt showing leadership especially when you are making $100 Mil. People in glass houses shouldnt throw stones and AH definitely lives in a glass house.[/quote]

I still don't get the point. So he's mouthy. So what? To me he's right...they told them they'd let him play and they aren't. That's what Blache does. He subverts players abilities in the name of his scheme. All hail the mighty scheme. "Let's sand these square pegs to fit in the round hole scheme I have". AH is right and I don't care if he's mouthy. If he starts getting mouthy about something that isn't right then I'll care. And I'll reiterate. I'll take 53 guys who get pissy when the team sucks...we haven't had enough players who get pissy when we suck.

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[quote=SmootSmack;647262]He was falling asleep in meetings?

And are you sure that's what Dungy said?[/quote]

Yes.

Yes.

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[quote=irish;647272]Yes.

Yes.[/quote]

I must have missed that about Haynesworth sleeping during meetings. Do you have any proof of either of these? Any link or anything?