Sen. Max Baucus appears drunk on Senate floor
 

Oh boy. So glad this winner is the Chairman of the Finance Committee. Example #3,472 of what's wrong with American politics.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA]YouTube - Senator Max Baucus Drunk / Intoxicated on Senate Floor - Shouts Down Wicker[/ame]

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Very true GM . Too tired to add much more .

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For the country's sake, I wish all of these guys would go on a very long recess.

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I'd be drinking too if I was forced to read some 1000 page thing of bs.

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the sad part is that nothing will be done about it. i know if i went to work drunk, my ass would get canned

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He should change his name to Max Bacchus

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Can't really find info on anything but right wing blogs, heh.

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[quote=tryfuhl;647185]Can't really find info on anything but right wing blogs, heh.[/quote]

That's because the liberal mainstream media is ignoring the truth.

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[quote=djnemo65;647207]That's because the liberal mainstream media is ignoring the truth.[/quote]

Yet when Cheney cursed on the floor it was a big story.

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Avatar 2.

Seeing how much fun the US politicians are having at the expense of their embarrassingly naive citizens, Bacchus, god of wine, takes on the form of a [B]6 term US Senator[/B] and joins in on the revelry.

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I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.

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[quote=drew54;647251]I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.[/quote]

I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.

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[quote=FRPLG;647270]I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.[/quote]

They need to just [URL="http://goooh.com/"]GOOOH[/URL]!

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[quote=724Skinsfan;647271]They need to just [URL="http://goooh.com/"]GOOOH[/URL]![/quote]
they say they are bi partisan, but all of their beliefs are radical right wing

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[quote=FRPLG;647270]I don't know that term limits are the panacea some believe. I do think they'd be better than what we have currently but not in any perfect. I'd fear that lobbyists and special interests would gain even more control since they'd be constantly running over short-timers. Now that may be offset by the lack of motivation to stay in power on the political side but who knows how the dynamics of term limits would play out? At the end of the day the magic bullet is that we as a group stop electing douche-bags. But that would take a media who didn't slant one way or the other and covered politics straight up, attention by the electorate bordering on fantasy, diligence on our part to not vote for the guys who promise to give us the most stuff, etc...

We're doomed.[/quote]

Then why not allow the president to keep running after serving two terms as well.

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This actually happened on christmas night after evryone had gone home and someone forgot to turn off the lights and camera. He had drank a fith earlier in the day and passed out in his office and woke up latter that night. Still smashed and forgetting that Pribe Care passed he got mad and wanted to speak his mind so he took the floor. As you can see the room is empty but he is still talking as if the room was full and he even point over to where he thinks the rep. are still sitting. This went on for several hours until a janitor turned off the lights and drove him home.

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[quote=drew54;647285]Then why not allow the president to keep running after serving two terms as well.[/quote]Huh??

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[quote=dmek25;647279]they say they are bi partisan, but all of their beliefs are radical right wing[/quote]

Can you provide some specifics?

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look at the questionnaire. see how those questions are phrased

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[quote=drew54;647251]I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.[/quote]

Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;647378]Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?[/quote]
Well right now most of them are rank.

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[B]Liberal Mainstream Media [/B], the mother of all conspiracy theories. You mean to tell me the milllions of people who work in the media are all aligned to a single point of view and scheme to deny any other voices?

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[quote=firstdown;647379]Well right now most of them are rank.[/quote]

Oh you answered my question, a sniff test.

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[quote=drew54;647251]I think we need Term Limits. Could you imagine how awesome it would be to see over half of the Senate and the House shown the door in the next two elections.[/quote]
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I do think we need term limits and I say this with a family member in Congress. Some of these guys get so entrenched in the bubble that is DC they forget what is really go on beyond Capitol Hill.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;647175]I'd be drinking too if I was forced to read some 1000 page thing of bs.[/quote]
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Now you are assuming these guys have actually read the crap they are trying to pass :-)

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[quote=FRPLG;647308]Huh??[/quote]

My point was that since we allow congress to keep running for life, why not let the president do the same. The argument against having a president run for life is because he would lose touch with the people of the country.

Do you think that congress is in touch with the country first, or the lobbyist?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;647378]Term limits could be dangerous. The only motivation would be their next job, lobbying. Their attitude would be, "who cares what the people think I won't be here anyway". Also, my next question is how would you determine rank?[/quote]

I doubt anyone would get that attitude of I won't be here when they are serving a 6 year term in the Senate. Maybe for the state representatives only having a two year term, this could be the case. Honestly, if you cannot get things done in two years, you will be voted out anyway. I think being in office for more than 12 years could leave one out of touch with there district, or state. Think back 12 years ago, a lot has changed.

As for determining rank, go by seniority first if possible, then go by birthday or something unbiased.

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F all them in Washington on both sides.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;647391]~~~~~~
I do think we need term limits and I say this with a family member in Congress. [B]Some of these guys get so entrenched in the bubble that is DC they forget what is really go on beyond Capitol Hill[/B].[/quote]

thats a real good point i hear time and again from people who have worked or been a part of the hill.

as to the video, is it just his kinda slurred rambling speech that make people think he is drunk? is there more too it? im at work and cut off the video after 2 mins.

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[quote=over the mountain;647533]thats a real good point i hear time and again from people who have worked or been a part of the hill.

as to the video, is it just his kinda slurred rambling speech that make people think he is drunk? is there more too it? im at work and cut off the video after 2 mins.[/quote]
Yes,
This actually happened on christmas night after evryone had gone home and someone forgot to turn off the lights and camera. He had drank a fith earlier in the day and passed out in his office and woke up latter that night. Still smashed and forgetting that Pribe Care passed he got mad and wanted to speak his mind so he took the floor. As you can see the room is empty but he is still talking as if the room was full and he even point over to where he thinks the rep. are still sitting. This went on for several hours until a janitor turned off the lights and drove him home.

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Baucus isn't drunk here. He's a tool DINO (Democrat in Name Only) and slave to the health insurance lobby like over half of our senators. But anyway he's a horrible, horrible speaker, not comfortable at all on camera or in front of a crowd. This is basically the way he speaks although he's obviously exhausted.

The funny thing is for a very long time he was the "eloquent" senator for mont. Conrad Burns sounded mentally retarded every time he opened his mouth. In his losing bid for reelection I went to a live debate and heard people constantly asking each other what he said because he just spoke nonsense.

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[quote=drew54;647509]My point was that since we allow congress to keep running for life, why not let the president do the same. The argument against having a president run for life is because he would lose touch with the people of the country.

Do you think that congress is in touch with the country first, or the lobbyist?[/quote]

Gotcha...I think our politicans are almost completely out of touch...or at least don't operate in a way that most responsible Americans do. And I mean like of the 535 we've got maybe 10 I'd trust as a mechanic. No kidding. I just don't think the issue is the terms necessarily. I think that is PART of the problem. But the solution to the term issue MAY cause worse issues. Maybe not though. My whole point is that term limits sound great but they'll very likely have unitended consequences. Politics is a game and term limits would just be a rule change that all the players would adjust to. Trust me the lobby industry isn't shutting down any time soon absent someone going Dexter on them.

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FRPLG, what do you think of the idea of restricting national elections to public funding only? Ban all contributions and disperse matching federal funds to whichever candidate each party selects. Not only is this not going to happen, it would probably require a constitutional amendment were it to actually gain any momentum in the future. Nevertheless, that's the only solution I can come up with to fix a system with problems as endemic as ours.

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[quote=djnemo65;647723]FRPLG, what do you think of the idea of restricting national elections to public funding only? Ban all contributions and disperse matching federal funds to whichever candidate each party selects. Not only is this not going to happen, it would probably require a constitutional amendment were it to actually gain any momentum in the future. Nevertheless, that's the only solution I can come up with to fix a system with problems as endemic as ours.[/quote]

I think it another magic unicorn unless it is exactly how you describe. They'll figure ways around it unless it is made law that they get no money except from the one very administered source. But then how do you stop service contributions? Or the Parties doing all the campaigning? Sounds like alogistical nightmare but at this point it can't be wrose I guess. If you can't tell I am very "the system is broken" type. I have less of a problem with individual politicians than I do with the system in general. There's a reason no one else in the world has our form of government. I have very little confidence that the two party system can "succeed" in the way that most Americans envision their gov't working.

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Viva la revolucion'

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[quote=djnemo65;647207]That's because the liberal mainstream media is ignoring the truth.[/quote]
The truth that he's drunk? He doesn't even sound halfway drunk to me, just slightly heated.

More propagandist BS -- the longer we split people by party line the longer this will go on. If you're not trying to work with the other party instead of oppose them you're part of the problem.. and that transcends parties and ideologies.

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"Democrats never do anything proactive, they just whine..."

Well here you have the opposite; I'm mostly conservative in my views but a lot of people that vote Republican make us look like wackjobs and are extremely hypocritical. Social programs aren't necessarily a bad thing, it's the lack of oversight; we're not going to become the USSR reincarnate.

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[quote=FRPLG;647243]Yet when Cheney cursed on the floor it was a big story.[/quote]
Did Baucus curse? I listened to the whole video but don't recall it.

Have you ever watched C-SPAN or coverage of a floor debate or argument? Is this type of speech new to you?

Neo-conservatives have to be the biggest sheep ever. Well, I don't know, but this guy seems like he does.. so I agree!!!!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;647850]Did Baucus curse? I listened to the whole video but don't recall it.

Have you ever watched C-SPAN or coverage of a floor debate or argument? Is this type of speech new to you?

Neo-conservatives have to be the biggest sheep ever. Well, I don't know, but this guy seems like he does.. so I agree!!!!![/quote]

huh?

You actually think a Senator delivering a speech while drunk isn't as bad as the VP cursing privately on the floor and it accidentally getting picked up by a microphone? That's cool.

I don't know if he was drunk or not but he sure sounded like it to me. And yes I have watched plenty of floor coverage...both the Senate and the House. I don't give a rat's ass what he was saying but doing it inebriated seems pretty damn reckless, irresponsible and disrespectful to me. Democrat or Republican doesn't matter, if he was drunk he should be brought up on ethics charges.

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[quote=tryfuhl;647846]The truth that he's drunk? He doesn't even sound halfway drunk to me, just slightly heated.

More propagandist BS -- the longer we split people by party line the longer this will go on. [SIZE=4]If you're not trying to work with the other party instead of oppose them you're part of the problem.[/SIZE]. and that transcends parties and ideologies.[/quote]

So if one disagrees with a bill they should just go along so they are not part of the problem? That makes no sense and then every bill ever introduced would get passed.