the great Joe Bugel
 

i saw the jim zorn appreciation thread and wanted to start a bugel one, it looks like he may retire next year which is kinda expected, if i was him i wouldn't want to start over again with a new system. and i just wanted to send a huge thanks to buges and everything he has done for the redskins over the years. he gave us the hogs which gave us multiple super bowls, and since his return he has done nothing short of work miracles, we haven't drafted any offensive lineman higher than the third round in 10 years and for the last 6 years buges had made the best o line out of what he had and the work he did this year was amazing putting together guys that hadn't played in the league in years to form a line that could at least give us a chance. i wish him nothing but the best with whatever he chooses to do with his career.

personally he is the only coach i want back next year, guess we will find out tomorrow

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I wish him the best in retirement

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[quote=SmootSmack;649947]I wish him the best in retirement[/quote]
Agreed 100%.

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He's done a lot for us, thanks Mr. Bugel!

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He did a lot considering what he had.

He's a HOF-er in my book.

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thanks to coach bugel. good luck to you in your retirement.

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Thanks for all the hard work you've done over the years. Enjoy your retirement Coach Buges. You deserve it!

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I wish he could coach forever! The best to Joe B for giving so much to the game and the team....I know he loves

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Without Buges we would not have three Lombardi trophies. Enjoy your rest, Buges.

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I know this is slightly off topic but who was Shannahan's line coach after Alex Gibbs left in 2003?

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I don't think anyone has embodied what the Redskins mean like Joe Bugel has. One of the all time greatest, I wish he was going out better than this.
Hail to Coach Bugel!

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Man, I would personally love to hear this quote from Buges, even though it would be outside the scope of something he would say publicly.

"You know I was just lucky to work with a lot of great personnel guys that helped me get the players I needed. Guys like Bobby Bethard, Charlie Caserly, and Bruce Allen."

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Joe Bugel has done a lot for this franchise, but it was past his time to go. Good luck in the future, Joe. I wish you the best of health for your remaining years.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;650023]I know this is slightly off topic but who was Shannahan's line coach after Alex Gibbs left in 2003?[/quote]

Rick Dennison I believe

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Buges will always be the Redskins' offensive line coach.

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I read about Buges retiring in the wash post & the franchise wanting to do something for him. I wish he was leaving under better circumstances, but it really may be time for him to go if for no other reason than getting a fresh start for the new staff & letting him walk away before dealing w/any more drama.

Great coach & a face of the franchise over the years. How many o line coaches have had his level of notoriety? Alex Gibbs is the only other one I can name.

Buges will always be a redskin. I look forward to seeing him in the middle of fedex field before a standing ovation in the near future. Hopefully it will be in the midst of better times for him & our Skins.

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Buges had head coaching stops in Arizona and Oakland, but he will always be remembered as a True Redskin and perhaps the greatest O-line coach ever.

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[quote=SouperMeister;650146]Buges had head coaching stops in Arizona and Oakland, but he will always be remembered as a True Redskin and perhaps the greatest O-line coach ever.[/quote]

Can't say it better than this. If your time is up, Buges...thanks for the incredible memories and Lombardis.

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Nobody was better on channel 4 on Monday evening with Sonny & George than Bugel. I hope he has a great retirement.

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Buges will always be appreciated but no longer is the top of his game. Back in the game loyalty was a great vurtue which has helped Buges be the icon of the NFL when it comes to Offensive line play!
Today with free agency it holds him back a little!

All that said Buges is a Beast!
He is up there with Joe Gibbs!

Good luck to you in retierment! Thanks for what you have done for the Redskins in the past.

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I think the team is planning a tribute to Buges but they don't want it to be overshadowed by the announcement of the new head coach. Look for something on him soon.

He and Jim Hanifan were the best to coach the o-lines here in recent times. Best of luck to him in retirement, time to go home to the wife.

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you guys have said it all. after all these years in the NFL, i have never read one bad thing about coach Buges. time to enjoy retirement

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put the man in the ring

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Just like Zorn will be remembered for his trick play on the Monday night game, Joe Bugel will be remembered as the architect of the hogs (perhaps the best OL of all time) Bugel reminds me of Burgess Meredith's character on Rocky (Micky) a tough old bird that you don't fuck with. Thanks for all the great memories and service to the team.

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Thanks for the lovely memories Bugel

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So, have we heard anything specific about his retirement? or GB's? Seems like this all came up yesterday, but nothing more official has been said.

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I wonder why they haven't announced the retiring. The team is obviously going to do something special for him, but why not announce something??

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He is one of my favorite coaches of all time! :)

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A good man and a good OL coach - - whose "fame" is based on the fact that he was the coach of an offensive line that had 3 and maybe 4 Hall of Fame players on it during his time as the coach. Let me be as kind as I can here:

[INDENT]It would be really hard to f*ck up that kind of talent. Richie Kotite may have been able to make that unit into one that should be remembered for decades after it was off the field.[/INDENT]

It's time to smell the roses, Coach. There aren't any OL here now who will ever get into the HoF without buying a ticket just like all the rest of us ordinary folks.


[B]Vaya con Dios![/B]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;650817]A good man and a good OL coach - - whose "fame" is based on the fact that he was the coach of an offensive line that had 3 and maybe 4 Hall of Fame players on it during his time as the coach. Let me be as kind as I can here:
[INDENT]It would be really hard to f*ck up that kind of talent. Richie Kotite may have been able to make that unit into one that should be remembered for decades after it was off the field.[/INDENT]It's time to smell the roses, Coach. There aren't any OL here now who will ever get into the HoF without buying a ticket just like all the rest of us ordinary folks.


[B]Vaya con Dios![/B][/quote]
There are plenty of those guys that were no-names.

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tryfuhl:

Bobby Beathard drafted and presented Joe Bugel - - and Joe Gibbs by extension - - Mark May and Russ Grimm. Beathard also signed Joe Jacoby as an undrafted free agent and when Jake arrived in camp the staff tried to put Jake on the DL until Beathard told them that Jake was signed as an OT. Those three guys - - two HoF quality players and a guy who might be considered in that class - - were handed to Bugel virtually on Day One. To his credit, Bugel did not screw that up.


Several years later as age hit "The Hogs", Beathard - - and no one else - - engineered a trade with the Chargers to acquire Jim Lachey who is another HoF caliber OT. Joe Bugel had that one land in his lap; he didn't develop anything there; Lachey was already a Pro Bowler when he arrived in DC.


Bugel is a good coach who happened to be in the right place at the right time and get a bunch of guys who would make him "famous". He has been an OL coach in other places since that run in the 80s when he had HoF quality talent under his tutelage and guess what:
[INDENT]With ordinary talent, his offensive lines have been - - "ordinary".[/INDENT]

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I like what Casserly said on WPL today. He said Buges was the best o-line coach he'd ever been around. No matter who he coached, that player got better. He also reminded people that George Stark was the only real veteran 0-lineman on our first SB winning team, the rest were 2nd year players.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;650829]tryfuhl:

Bobby Beathard drafted and presented Joe Bugel - - and Joe Gibbs by extension - - Mark May and Russ Grimm. Beathard also signed Joe Jacoby as an undrafted free agent and when Jake arrived in camp the staff tried to put Jake on the DL until Beathard told them that Jake was signed as an OT. Those three guys - - two HoF quality players and a guy who might be considered in that class - - were handed to Bugel virtually on Day One. To his credit, Bugel did not screw that up.


Several years later as age hit "The Hogs", Beathard - - and no one else - - engineered a trade with the Chargers to acquire Jim Lachey who is another HoF caliber OT. Joe Bugel had that one land in his lap; he didn't develop anything there; Lachey was already a Pro Bowler when he arrived in DC.


Bugel is a good coach who happened to be in the right place at the right time and get a bunch of guys who would make him "famous". He has been an OL coach in other places since that run in the 80s when he had HoF quality talent under his tutelage and guess what:[INDENT]With ordinary talent, his offensive lines have been - - "ordinary".[/INDENT][/quote]
Thanks for the history lesson. Do you think that Beathard really knew that he'd be getting HoF guys in the late late rounds though? I mean it's obvious Bugel didn't draft the guys. Not to discredit Beathard one bit.

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How about Mark Schlereth, Ed Simmons, McKenzie, etc. all pretty good OL.

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So talent makes a coach look better? Brilliant.

Buges did have a significant hand in making some of those diamonds in the rough sparkle.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;650829]
Bobby Beathard drafted and presented Joe Bugel - - and Joe Gibbs by extension - - Mark May and Russ Grimm. Beathard also signed Joe Jacoby as an undrafted free agent and when Jake arrived in camp the staff tried to put Jake on the DL until Beathard told them that Jake was signed as an OT. Those three guys - - two HoF quality players and a guy who might be considered in that class - - were handed to Bugel virtually on Day One. To his credit, Bugel did not screw that up.


Several years later as age hit "The Hogs", Beathard - - and no one else - - engineered a trade with the Chargers to acquire Jim Lachey who is another HoF caliber OT. Joe Bugel had that one land in his lap; he didn't develop anything there; Lachey was already a Pro Bowler when he arrived in DC.


Bugel is a good coach who happened to be in the right place at the right time and get a bunch of guys who would make him "famous". He has been an OL coach in other places since that run in the 80s when he had HoF quality talent under his tutelage and guess what:[INDENT]With ordinary talent, his offensive lines have been - - "ordinary".
[/INDENT][/quote]Go depress folks somewhere else with this nonsense. Do you actually believe this stuff or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

Reality:
1) Hogs are the greatest OL of all time consistently over a period of over 10 years, Bugel coached nine of those years.
2) May was the only 1st rounder, Grimm was a 3rd rounder, Jacoby was undrafted. Bugel's coaching played a very significant role in making that OL the Hogs. Last time I checked there were 5 positions on the OL, not to mention backups. 1st round or Pro Bowl caliber players at one position, does not make a solid OL.
3) (from wiki) Bugel's offensive line was also instrumental in the Oilers' stunning 1979 playoff upset over the high-powered [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers"][COLOR=#0000ff]San Diego Chargers[/COLOR][/URL], led by [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Dan_Fouts"][COLOR=#0000ff]Dan Fouts[/COLOR][/URL]. Working without [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Earl_Campbell"][COLOR=#0000ff]Earl Campbell[/COLOR][/URL], Bugel's line, led by All-Pro tackle [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Leon_Gray"][COLOR=#0000ff]Leon Gray[/COLOR][/URL], made one-playoff-game heroes out of the likes of Rob Carpenter, Ronnie Coleman, Gifford Neilsen and [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Boobie_Clark"][COLOR=#0000ff]Boobie Clark[/COLOR][/URL].
4) Here are some stats on Bugel's OLs. Outside of his stint in SD and 2007 & 2009 here (coming off the Spurrier debace he gets a pass for '04) his lines have been in the top third of the league in either Yard per Att or Sacks, or both.

...........Rank YPA Rank Sacks
Oilers 77 13 3.9 4 23
Oilers 78 11 4.1 1 17
Oilers 79 10 4.2 10 32
Oilers 80 1 4.6 5 27

Skins 81-89 Nuff said

Oak 95 9 4.2 17 36
Oak 96 1 4.8 24 45

SD 98 18 3.8 14 37
SD 99 30 3.0 22 46
SD 2000 31 3.0 26 53
SD 2001 21 3.9 6 27

Skins 04 28 3.7 19 38
Skins 05 10 4.2 12 31
Skins 06 8 4.5 3 19
Skins 07 24 3.8 13 29
Skins 08 7 4.4 23 38
Skins 09 29 3.9 28 46

Joe Bugel had a great career and deserves to be in the Ring of Honor. All Redskins fans should appreciate his contributions.

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i now vote SC the biggest redskin hater on this site. in his own words, how about a poll?

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I don't know about hiring Alex Gibbs to replace Bugel. For God's sake the guy is one year younger then Bugel. Personally this would be a hell of a time to extend a job offer to Ray Brown. Currently he's working for the Bills.

He (Ray Brown) was hired as assistant offensive line coach for the Buffalo Bills on January 17, 2008.

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[quote=dmek25;651388]i now vote SC the biggest redskin hater on this site. in his own words, how about a poll?[/quote]


Don't like reality much do you?

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;650983]Go depress folks somewhere else with this nonsense. Do you actually believe this stuff or are you just trying to get a rise out of people?

Reality:
1) Hogs are the greatest OL of all time consistently over a period of over 10 years, Bugel coached nine of those years.
2) May was the only 1st rounder, Grimm was a 3rd rounder, Jacoby was undrafted. Bugel's coaching played a very significant role in making that OL the Hogs. Last time I checked there were 5 positions on the OL, not to mention backups. 1st round or Pro Bowl caliber players at one position, does not make a solid OL.
3) (from wiki) Bugel's offensive line was also instrumental in the Oilers' stunning 1979 playoff upset over the high-powered [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers"][COLOR=#0000ff]San Diego Chargers[/COLOR][/URL], led by [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Dan_Fouts"][COLOR=#0000ff]Dan Fouts[/COLOR][/URL]. Working without [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Earl_Campbell"][COLOR=#0000ff]Earl Campbell[/COLOR][/URL], Bugel's line, led by All-Pro tackle [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Leon_Gray"][COLOR=#0000ff]Leon Gray[/COLOR][/URL], made one-playoff-game heroes out of the likes of Rob Carpenter, Ronnie Coleman, Gifford Neilsen and [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Boobie_Clark"][COLOR=#0000ff]Boobie Clark[/COLOR][/URL].
4) Here are some stats on Bugel's OLs. Outside of his stint in SD and 2007 & 2009 here (coming off the Spurrier debace he gets a pass for '04) his lines have been in the top third of the league in either Yard per Att or Sacks, or both.

...........Rank YPA Rank Sacks
Oilers 77 13 3.9 4 23
Oilers 78 11 4.1 1 17
Oilers 79 10 4.2 10 32
Oilers 80 1 4.6 5 27

Skins 81-89 Nuff said

Oak 95 9 4.2 17 36
Oak 96 1 4.8 24 45

SD 98 18 3.8 14 37
SD 99 30 3.0 22 46
SD 2000 31 3.0 26 53
SD 2001 21 3.9 6 27

Skins 04 28 3.7 19 38
Skins 05 10 4.2 12 31
Skins 06 8 4.5 3 19
Skins 07 24 3.8 13 29
Skins 08 7 4.4 23 38
Skins 09 29 3.9 28 46

Joe Bugel had a great career and deserves to be in the Ring of Honor. All Redskins fans should appreciate his contributions.[/quote]



Put him in the Ring of Honor if that makes you feel good. He had one great run with OLs in the 1980s and had 4 Hall of Fame level talents play most of that time on his offensive lines. I'm not saying he is a bum or a failure; I am saying that his achievements have to be measured in terms of the contributions that others handed to him. That's all.

Given really sub-standard talent to work with in 2008 and 2009, the Redskins' OL under his tutelage and his motivation were sub-standard. If that isn't obvious to you, I don't know how else to explain a combined record of 12-20 with minimal offensive output.