Defending the Danny?
 

Why not? Listen to my homeboy Skeletor make his case.

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Re: Defending the Danny?
 

I agree with the man 110%. Yes DS has made some bad decisions but he's always did everything he could as an owner to bring the best players in here possible. As I've stated before his heart has always been in the right place. It's not if we'll win a Superbowl in the Snyder era, it's when, and how many, despite the tumultuous start.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;652695]I agree with the man 110%. Yes DS has made some bad decisions but he's always did everything he could as an owner to bring the best players in here possible. As I've stated before his heart has always been in the right place. It's not if we'll win a Superbowl in the Snyder era, it's when, and how many, despite the tumultuous start.[/quote]

Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...

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makes some good points, but lets remember that this is the same guy who was having vinny go on the radio every week instead of doing his job. this is just one small example of how mindless DS can be about what it takes to have a winning football team

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Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?

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[quote=rbanerjee23;652698]Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

[B]Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...[/quote][/B]

Thankfully this is where I blame Vinny. I doubt DS sat in his cubby with a chubby and said Vinny I want this person. Go get them. To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in. It screams of Vinny when you hear that Vinny told Schottenheimer that DS maybe listening to him in preseason but during the regular season DS will be listening to him while in the box upstairs. It screamed of Vinny losing control of the power he had with or over DS. Then Marty fires him. At seasons end Marty wanted more control and DS got scared off by it and said no, so Marty walked. DS brought back the only person who he befriended and could trust to handle the contracts and team.... Vinny. If Vinny wasn't pulling all the strings he definitly was an enabler.

I'm glad Vinny's gone. I think Allen is a no BS type of guy. I think Shanahan is a no BS type of guy and treats all players equally. No favorites. I think DS realized the team has changed players in and out with out success, theyve traded HC's in and out with out success, The only thing that has not been changed has been the GM spot and owners spot. DS is not going to sell the team. It's a cash cow. He's making money. So the only thing that could be done was change GM's. In this situation not only has the GM been changed for fresh ideas to filter through the team but a new HC that has been to the big dance and knows what it takes. A HC that does not have the college to NFL questions, or the new kid on the block untested unproven OC or position coach.

I don't think anyone 2 yrs ago came out and said "hey DS and VC are doing it right they are picking up a no name QB coach to lead this team." I think most of us if not all had questions and wondered if it was going to work out. In this situation we know Shanahan worked out in Denver. His scheme works.

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This guy sounds more drunk than I on a Saturday night. Listening to him was like trying to listen to a pep talk from my father during a 1 week drinking binge.

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[quote=Angry;652712]This guy sounds more drunk than I on a Saturday night. Listening to him was like trying to listen to a pep talk from my father during a 1 week drinking binge.[/quote]

Seriously. This idiot was hammered and high at the same time. That was a bumbling rant.

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I know. It made actual analysts seem like linguists.

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So it basically takes a high/drunk moron to defend Dan Snyder lol?! Actually that sounds about right. No serious person would defend Snyder, period. Blame Vinny? Who made Vinny possible...? Snyder is the biggest failure in sports over the last decade (according to his own standard, not mine).

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i have been refraining from bashing him, but i will be damned if i will defend him, come back to me in a few years when the franchise has hopefully stabilized and we have a couple good seasons back to back

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[quote=GMScud;652714]Seriously. This idiot was hammered and high at the same time. That was a bumbling rant.[/quote]

Yep...Snyder deserves a sh*t ton of the blame...along with Vinny. It starts at the top, a common phrase that rings true. His intentions are good no doubt, but Im glad that he has faced the fact that his personel decisions, and his other football related opinions are pretty much sh*tty. Im so glad he finally has gotten it...Bruce Allen and Shanny are the right guys to be making football decisions and I think this is the best move ever by Danny Boy....sign the f8cking checks and chill with Tom Cruise thats all he needs to do.....

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[quote=mlmdub130;652736]i have been refraining from bashing him, but i will be damned if i will defend him, come back to me in a few years when the franchise has hopefully stabilized and we have a couple good seasons back to back[/quote]

Exactly...I think some of the other people in this thread have articulated it but when you are the leader of the franchise, as the saying goes...all the mistakes are yours and all the good things are because of someone else. The last 10 years were one massive mistake and that has to fall squarely on Danny's shoulders

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[quote=53Fan;652708]Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?[/quote]

We're waiting for him to finally come to the conclusion that for as much as he wants to win, he must also realize there's a process necessary to achieve that goal. Now that the plumber is gone there could be light at the new beginning.

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Seeing as this is a defend DS thread:

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[quote=SBXVII;652711][/B]....To me it seems more that Vinny thought "Oh we need a WR lets go get Lloyd. Oh we need a Safety lets get Archie" and DS said do we really need them and Vinny said yes we have holes. So DS brought them in.....[/quote]Blame for Lloyd, Arch and ARE falls on Gibbs. He approved the moves. However even more blame for those is on Al Saunders (Lloyd & ARE) and G. Williams (Arch). All DS & VC did is go get the players the Team President & HC told them to get.

There are several reasons for why things failed in the past here. Ultimately Snyder takes the blame because he's the primary owner, but prior to Gibbs departure, very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

Going forward, based on the poll and responses, for the most part people are about 90+% on board with Shanahan and Allen. If things wind up going South, I think anyone who supported these moves refrain from DS bashing (this isn't directed at you, just a general statement).

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[quote=rbanerjee23;652698]Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

[B]Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...[/quote]

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Why is Joe Gibbs given a free pass?? Wasn't he the team president when we brought in these free agents?? I just don't see how this is Snyder's fault for giving Gibbs the players he wanted.

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Here we go again...the blame game. Who cares at this point.

YES, Dan wants to win and he wants to field a good team. [B][U]That has never been in doubt.[/U][/B] So I am not sure why Skeletor is rambling on about defending Dan Snyder.
The football world and the media would love Dan if he just let the PROFESSIONALS run the team and Dan stop his almost impulsive desire to be involved in acquiring certain players...l[B]ike the Lance Briggs incident[/B]. That was ugly. If the sources and stories are to be believed, the Redskins had formalized an offer made, by all accounts, by Dan Snyder in a bar without having discussed the move with Joe Gibbs or Gregg Williams.
This type behavior and his desire to make media splashes has to stop. It is embarrassing.
My point is Dan had 10 years of running the Redskins 'his way'. Whatever 'his way' is, it failed. Some people are good at sports, others good at business, others are artists...whatever. Dan is not a Football man. It takes a rare skill to be a top GM just like it takes a diffrent rare skill to become a billionaire. Dan please stick to what you are good at. Making money.

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People in this town LOVE to blame Danny for everything. Granted, there's not much transparency within the organization, but my personal feeling on the matter is he isn't nearly as involved as he seems. He wants to know what's happening with HIS team, he wants to interview a coach before he pays him millions upon millions of dollars, I have no issues with him having a role in an organization he owns.

I think a lot of the blame that should fall on coaches and vinny has been diverted, often by the media, because he's not a very likable guy.

I could be completely wrong on this due to lack of transparency, but my feeling is the most he does is sign the checks.

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Ultimately it stops at the top and fair or not, Snyder will get criticized until and perhaps even when he brings a Super Bowl trophy back to DC. And that's fine, there are plenty of reasons to defend Snyder and there equally as many (if not more) reasons to critique him and question him. Like I've said before though, when people get into "Danny and his butt buddy Vinny" or "Snyder is friends with Jerry Jones!!!" etc. then it's like "Ok, well you may have valid concerns about Snyder but it's going to be tough to take your concerns seriously"

Snyder is involved, but he's not-to the best of my knowledge-intrusive. He's not much more involved than a lot of other owners in the league. And he's a better owner than he was 10 years ago largely because he's surrounded himself with better people

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very few of these mistakes were actually of DS or VC's doing. They take blame because they pulled the trigger but they had bad "little birds in their ear" (cough, cough Pepper Rodgers comes to mind).

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Snyder is involved, but he's not-to the best of my knowledge-intrusive. He's not much more involved than a lot of other owners in the league. And he's a better owner than he was 10 years ago largely because he's surrounded himself with better people[/quote]

"intrusive"...........lol,I like that ,so you don't call having players go behind the coachs back to the owner and him listening to them to subvert their authority..."intrusive"?

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is it bad to have an open door policy? and the subvert their authority, any examples?

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[quote=rbanerjee23;652698]Problem is that his best efforts more often than not hurt the organization...no one is saying he doesn't want to win.. [B]but newsflash, how many owners are there that don't want[/B] to win so the whole "he really wants to win" argument is bogus.

Take Lloyd + Archuleta deals for example...how did those help the Redskins in any way? answer, they did not and hurt the organization deeply (still paying salary), no defense of Snyder will be tolerated by me...[/quote]

More than you'd like to think don't care all that much. They only want to win from a business perspective.

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Snyder should definitely shoulder the blame for our struggles. He has made mistakes, lots of them.

But there seems to be this strange hatred of the man. I can't hate the guy for his football mistakes. If I thought he was cheap or didn't bust his ass to try and win then I could hate the guy. Vinny was an ass. He didn't care as much about winning as he did about looking good and staying in power->Hate. DS...not at all. People can say all they want about his football acumen and they'd be right to criticize vigorously but I just don't see all the hate.

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I think if Snyder was about 6'2 and was 55 when he bought the team rather than 5'5 and 35 there would be a very different perception of him. From the jump the media portrayed him, fairly in many cases, of being a snot nosed rich 'kid' who acted like a tyrant and threw his financial weight around. The whole 'Lil Danny moniker just stuck with him and makes him an easy target. There's also a HUGE jealousy factor in the media and from the fans because he's acquired so much at such a young age. To ignore or dispel that is completely ridiculous.

Of course the lack of success has been obvious and hasn't made it easy to defend him nor have some of the decisions he's played a role in but so many people who have worked with or for him (Gibbs, Schottenheimer, Buges just to name a couple) that are highly respected do nothing but shower the man with praise.

Bottom line, he's far from the best owner in the NFL but he's committed to exhausting all resources to win, has shown (at least to this point) a willingness to learn from his mistakes and try another path of running the team and is determined to make the Redskins the best franchise in the league.

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[quote=GMScud;652714]Seriously. This idiot was hammered and high at the same time. That was a bumbling rant.[/quote]

Funny to listen to [I]because [/I]it was a bumbling rant. And did I hear reference to Dana Stubblefield? Wasn't he a John Kent Cooke guy?

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I think I just heard (from the breakroom to my cube) that the Redskins have donated $500K to the Haiti rescue effort. Good move on DS part if so. Would make me feel a [I]little [/I]better about the outrageous amounts charged for tickets/concessions,etc..

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[quote=Coff;654598]Funny to listen to [I]because [/I]it was a bumbling rant. And did I hear reference to Dana Stubblefield? Wasn't he a John Kent Cooke guy?[/quote]

ugh I love it when people can't get things like that straight and blame Danny for Stubby

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[quote=mdt2five;654609]I think I just heard (from the breakroom to my cube) that the Redskins have donated $500K to the Haiti rescue effort. Good move on DS part if so. Would make me feel a [I]little [/I]better about the outrageous amounts charged for tickets/concessions,etc..[/quote]

My opinions are strickly related to football and always have been,I'll never question the mans heart or generosity.

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[quote=FRPLG;654590]Snyder should definitely shoulder the blame for our struggles. He has made mistakes, lots of them.

But there seems to be this strange hatred of the man. I can't hate the guy for his football mistakes. If I thought he was cheap or didn't bust his ass to try and win then I could hate the guy. Vinny was an ass. He didn't care as much about winning as he did about looking good and staying in power->Hate. DS...not at all. People can say all they want about his football acumen and they'd be right to criticize vigorously but I just don't see all the hate.[/quote]

Yeah bro I'm with ya 100%, I cant understand the whole 'hate' thing either. Plenty to criticize, plenty to love about the Danny. I believe he has learned enough hard lessons over the past 10 years and with the new FO structure and some winning seasons his public perception will change into a positive one.

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[quote=Paintrain;654592][B]I think if Snyder was about 6'2 and was 55 when he bought the team rather than 5'5 and 35 [/B]there would be a very different perception of him. From the jump the media portrayed him, fairly in many cases, of being a snot nosed rich 'kid' who acted like a tyrant and threw his financial weight around. The whole 'Lil Danny moniker just stuck with him and makes him an easy target. [B]There's also a HUGE jealousy factor in the media and from the fans because he's acquired so much at such a young age. To ignore or dispel that is completely ridiculous.[/B]

Of course the lack of success has been obvious and hasn't made it easy to defend him nor have some of the decisions he's played a role in but so many people who have worked with or for him (Gibbs, Schottenheimer, Buges just to name a couple) that are highly respected do nothing but shower the man with praise.

Bottom line, he's far from the best owner in the NFL but he's committed to exhausting all resources to win, has shown (at least to this point) a willingness to learn from his mistakes and try another path of running the team and is determined to make the Redskins the best franchise in the league.[/quote]
Excellent points. I've always felt the same way. And ofcoarse if the Skins were in a smaller market I think his reputation would'nt be as bad.

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I didn't want to start a new thread for this but, I wonder is Rooney a 'meddlesome owner' now too?

Art Rooney II tells Mike Tomlin 'We need to run the ball more.'

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"You wanna be a raiders fan? Huh? Is that what you want?" LOL

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[quote=53Fan;652708]Have you ever wanted something so bad that you tried too hard and f' up instead of being patient and taking the proper steps?[/quote]

Yeah: pussy.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;655179]Yeah: pussy.[/quote]

LOL, I don't know how long this will still be here but that's funny.

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I never heard any of Vinny's weekly radio shows but as much as yall rip the sheet out of it they must have been pretty dang bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL....Dian Stubblefield is on Snyder? Get this rambling buffoon off youtube.