Once Again Officials Take Control of the Game!!!
 

I'm sorry and I don't care what anyone else thinks. The officials gave the game to Green Bay. And I thought there was an advantage to Homefield. Brunell finally stepped up and played like he wanted to win only to have it stripped away by a "Phantom" illegal shift that no one else in the world saw. Not only that but then they missed a PI call on the next play where Coles was clearly held allowing Green Bay to get an interception to end the game. If you don't believe me, than how did his jersey get pulled down off of his shoulder pads? Not to mention the missed PI call on the defense on the throw to Portis that was missed during the Skins first drive that would have given them the ball inside the 10 and also the missed PI call on the defense when Brunell threw to Coles or Gardner who was mugged and hit well before the ball got there that would have given the Skins a first down.

I'm sorry about the rant. But I am so tired of no calls or bad calls or even "Phantom" calls being made by officials that make 2k - 7k a game. They make enough money to buy the badly needed glasses or contacts.

The NFL needs to conduct an investigation with it's officials. I don't know, maybe I missed it, but there wasn't a flag thrown on that last play until Portis was nearly in the endzone. Something just doesn't seem right to me.

My hats off to the Defense once again for keeping them in the game. Granted they didn't have a great first half but overall there performance was outstanding and it shows why they are the Number 1 Defense in the NFL and should stay there. Yes, they gave up more yardage than their average..but they still stepped up when they needed to and gave the offense the chance to win. And my opinion, the O did step up. Brunell struggled in the first half and overthrew quite a few receivers. I admit, I don't think he can throw the long ball anymore, but he did improve in the 2nd half versus the first.

All in all, I think the Skins were a MUCH improved team only to have the outcome decided by the officials. They made mistakes and overcame them. Granted the Offense didn't play as well as they should or need to. But IMO they played well enough to win which is an improvement.

Many of you won't agree with me and will say Officials don't cause teams to win or lose. I'm will just state how can you say that when it has been proven time and time again the exact opposite.

I am sorry for the long winded post and my rude comments about the officials. But I strongly feel that not only did the officials cost us the game but they may have nearly cost us the season with this games officiating and previous ones.

Once again post your thoughts or disagreements.

either way our offense sucks bad.

I was wondering if anyone else was going to mention the hold on Coles after the "phantom shift" I thought maybe I had imagined it

[QUOTE=smootsmack]I was wondering if anyone else was going to mention the hold on Coles after the "phantom shift" I thought maybe I had imagined it[/QUOTE]


Wasen't it Gardner who was held? And had his jersey pulled off his shoulder pad, which helped to aid Harris to launch himself in front of Gardner and make the INT?

I found it funny the announcer's and network didn't spend any time going over the replay to put an emphasis on the lack of a call on the illegal motion which probably decieded the game.

Well Dragon, I feel the same way as you and then some. There are several reasons for my suspiscions about the official miscalls. First of all, I didn't see a flag thrown until Portis was halfway back to the sidelines after the celebration. If this was a penalty, why did they wait until the TD was called? This is ridiculous. There are a alot of people including several officials who want to see Snyder, Gibbs and Company fall flat on their faces. These jealous hearted bastards are robbing one of the best coaches of all time with petty calls that cannot be challenged. Of course, Brunell didn't help the situation by missing a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddde open Cooley, but all things considered, we got the turnover and was in the position to win and the officials decided who would win.

They don't want to see the richest team in the NFL be as successful as their sales and marketing profits have been.

Maybe it was Gardner, I know someone was held

Well I can agree with all of you that the referees certainly helped out GB cause quite a bit today. But then again we've been seeing that all season. Remember the Dallas game and the outrageous PI call? My point here is that it's no big secret that refs seem to help out the teams with winning records and make calls that hurt the teams with losing records. But the really good teams don't have to rely on the ref calling a holding penalty here or a illegal motion there. The good teams can perform at a level where the calls really don't matter. Look at the Giants, the Steelers, and the Eagles for examples. They don't need a call to go their way to win because they can play at a level where they can dominate their opponent. I think our defense is there already but our offense is still a good distance away from that level. That has to be our goal.

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Well Dragon, I feel the same way as you and then some. There are several reasons for my suspiscions about the official miscalls. First of all, I didn't see a flag thrown until Portis was halfway back to the sidelines after the celebration. If this was a penalty, why did they wait until the TD was called? This is ridiculous. There are a alot of people including several officials who want to see Snyder, Gibbs and Company fall flat on their faces. These jealous hearted bastards are robbing one of the best coaches of all time with petty calls that cannot be challenged. Of course, Brunell didn't help the situation by missing a wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddde open Cooley, but all things considered, we got the turnover and was in the position to win and the officials decided who would win.[/QUOTE]


I was hoping someone knew when that flag was actually thrown, I only saw 1 replay and couldn't figure out who the call was on being no one moved, The very next thought in my head was I wonder when he threw the flag? Reason? I just have had a strong feeling that for 1 reason or another we are deliberately being screwed by the ref's, which in turn work for the power's that be in the NFL, to many blatent penalties not called, and plenty of non penalties called, I just think the word is out to see to it we don't do anything this year.

And I have to believe Gibb's is part of this conspiracy he keep's playing Brunell when everyone in the football world know's the guy is pathetic.

We was robbed! I really hate blamming refs and yes we had our own chances to win this game. But against a tough Green Bay team, the Packers do not need any help. That was an officiating travesty!

Any time refs take points off the board it better be a clear penalty. That was a pure BS call and not only did it take points off the board but it took a W off the board for the Skins.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]We was robbed! I really hate blamming refs and yes we had our own chances to win this game. But against a tough Green Bay team, the Packers do not need any help. That was an officiating travesty![/QUOTE]

Amen, brother. Amen. We were robbed without a gun.

[QUOTE=offiss]I was hoping someone knew when that flag was actually thrown, I only saw 1 replay and couldn't figure out who the call was on being no one moved, The very next thought in my head was I wonder when he threw the flag? Reason? I just have had a strong feeling that for 1 reason or another we are deliberately being screwed by the ref's, which in turn work for the power's that be in the NFL, to many blatent penalties not called, and plenty of non penalties called, I just think the word is out to see to it we don't do anything this year.

And I have to believe Gibb's is part of this conspiracy he keep's playing Brunell when everyone in the football world know's the guy is pathetic.[/QUOTE]

Even I called for Ramsey after the dismal second and third quarter that Brunell gave us. The camera panned down to Ramsey on the sidelines with his chinstrap snapped and this was before Brunell was injured. There will be discussions about this game, moreso than others between Gibbs and his staff about the future of Brunell. I have said in the past, that Brunell will not last here more than two seasons and that Gibbs will look for another veteran QB. Ramsey will play this year do to Brunell's reoccurring injuries. Let's hope we don't have to make another QB change back and forth.

well i'm finally able to move again. i've been absolutely NUMB for the last 3 hours after the game not able to even get up to go to the bathroom. YES, we did get beat by the refs for the second time this season, but the overall feeling of metaphorically taking it up the A has gone too effing far. Our offense, the refs, the heartbreaking losses, nothing significant going our way and always turning into a huge positive for the other team has left me feeling just a BIT dissolusioned and let down.

I'm not even sure what to say right now...

Does anyone else think this brunell guy is actually working for the devil........ um....., i mean jerry jones!

[QUOTE=SUNRA]Even I called for Ramsey after the dismal second and third quarter that Brunell gave us. The camera panned down to Ramsey on the sidelines with his chinstrap snapped and this was before Brunell was injured. There will be discussions about this game, moreso than others between Gibbs and his staff about the future of Brunell. I have said in the past, that Brunell will not last here more than two seasons and that Gibbs will look for another veteran QB. Ramsey will play this year do to Brunell's reoccurring injuries. Let's hope we don't have to make another QB change back and forth.[/QUOTE]


I didn't see Brunell get injured, but I am tired of hearing Gibb's say he fought his gut's out, he's the only one not fighting his gut's out, and the rest of the team is taking it on the chin because of his incompetency, as far as Im concerned the only guy's that are fighting their gut's out are the guy's trying to win in spite of Brunell.

So are we saying Brunell isn't playing hard and isn't doing everything he can to help us win??

I guess we're all down on the field and in the huddle seeing Brunell dogging it huh?

Brunell is the easy scapegoat, but I've got news for the Brunell haters, there are problems that go deeper than just who's under center right now.

If Ramsey was the magic wand that would turn this around, don't you think Gibbs would go to him?

The problems do run deeper than Brunell. But with the playoffs out reach, time to give Ramsey his shot. I've been for "staying the course", but we need to see if Ramsey is our future or go a different direction next year. Brunell is not the answer.

[QUOTE=redrock-skins]The problems do run deeper than Brunell. But with the playoffs out reach, time to give Ramsey his shot. I've been for "staying the course", but we need to see if Ramsey is our future or go a different direction next year. Brunell is not the answer.[/QUOTE]
I agree, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Ramsey.

By the way, did anyone notice who was hugging Brunell after he hit Portis for the "game winning TD"? Yep, it was Ramsey. I dunno I just thought it was pretty cool.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So are we saying Brunell isn't playing hard and isn't doing everything he can to help us win??

I guess we're all down on the field and in the huddle seeing Brunell dogging it huh?

Brunell is the easy scapegoat, but I've got news for the Brunell haters, there are problems that go deeper than just who's under center right now.

If Ramsey was the magic wand that would turn this around, don't you think Gibbs would go to him?[/QUOTE]


I'm not saying Brunells not playing hard, I'm sure he's playing hard, and I'm not questioning his effort. I'm questioning his skill, or lack there of. There are problems deeper than who's under center, but common, Brunell overthrew a ton of open recivers that would have resulted in points, and one time a touchdown. Brunell just dosent have it anymore, I dont know any other way to put it. He hasent done anything all year, to make me think otherwise. The only people that are saving him are Gardner and Coles who have made some AMAZING catches. To respond to the last point, I dont think Gibbs is going to go Ramsey, because hes embaressed that he made a 43 million dollar mistake. Common Matty, do you really think Ramsey could be any worse than Brunell is right now? Even if he is just as bad, at least we find that out now, so we can get another QB in the offseason rather than suffer through anohter season with a incapable QB, if Ramsey cant get it done?

I am beside myself with these awful calls. There is no more painful way to lose a game than when the officials are involved and that makes two of those games for the Skins this year. That motion penalty was complete BS and to top it off by missing the hold on Gardners jersey on the very next play is just inexcusable. I don't see how they can miss it when the guy who did it ends up with the interception. Isn't that right where they should have been looking? Awful awful awful...

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Ramsey.

By the way, did anyone notice who was hugging Brunell after he hit Portis for the "game winning TD"? Yep, it was Ramsey. I dunno I just thought it was pretty cool.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I just saw that on primetime. I heard those two were really good friends on the team, so I gotta imagine its pretty hard for Ramsey as well as Brunell. I'm glad they have a good relationship, and when Ramsey goes in, which I think is inevitable at this point, I hope Brunell shows the same support Ramsey has shown him.

Brunell is playing hard. He just can't get the job done. Time for a change. I've been patient with Gibbs' decisions, but now he needs to give Ramsey a shot. If Ramsey stinks up the joint the next few weeks, then at least we know what's on our off-season shopping list.

I just hope these things do not start getting to the players. to have one game taken away by bad calls is bad enough but two in less than half of the season. Essentially for a WR to be caught in a penalty situation like that he is going to have to hit the LOS running at the snap. That would be an instant call just like an offsides not 1 or two minutes later after a TD. Just wrong.

In my mind every call should be challengebale especially in the last 5 minutes of a game at the officials discretion. The fact that blatent things like these are not challengable is detrimental to the game in general.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I'm not saying Brunells not playing hard, I'm sure he's playing hard, and I'm not questioning his effort. I'm questioning his skill, or lack there of. There are problems deeper than who's under center, but common, Brunell overthrew a ton of open recivers that would have resulted in points, and one time a touchdown. Brunell just dosent have it anymore, I dont know any other way to put it. He hasent done anything all year, to make me think otherwise. The only people that are saving him are Gardner and Coles who have made some AMAZING catches. To respond to the last point, I dont think Gibbs is going to go Ramsey, because hes embaressed that he made a 43 million dollar mistake. Common Matty, do you really think Ramsey could be any worse than Brunell is right now? Even if he is just as bad, at least we find that out now, so we can get another QB in the offseason rather than suffer through anohter season with a incapable QB, if Ramsey cant get it done?[/QUOTE]
Gibbs will go to Ramsey soon, trust me.

He had an open competition in training camp and he would have started Ramsey from day one if he proved to be the man. Nothing has changed, a players contract isn't going to effect his decision as to who plays and who doesn't. It's just ridiculous to suggest that.

Who knows how we'd be with Ramsey playing. Probably not much better. In case anyone forgot he looked completely lost in the preseason, so lost in fact he couldn't outplay Brunell who wasn't exactly a worldbeater himself. Often he was throwing behind WR's and sometimes throwing to a spot where there wasn't even a receiver in sight.

I like Ramsey, but I just don't think he's ready in this system yet.

Those calls just hurt. I was at a bar outnumbered 20+ Packers fans to 5-6 Skins fans. Having to endure them all game to lose like that was tough. Let's just say we were booing loudly at the end of game. If they blew us out, I'd tip my cap, but I can't accept a loss like this.

I've tried looking at the "penalty" that cost the skins the game today as objectively as possible, but there was no f-ing penalty. If the score had counted there was still time left for the pack to have tried to win, but we'll never know. It's so freakin frustrating that we've had 2 games practically stolen from us by those not actually playing the game and have lost one game by coughing up the ball a bunch and another with piss-poor clockmanagement. Brunnel's play today was kinda iffy but I really want to see Ramsey given atleast a shot now since things are looking very bleak for the team.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Gibbs will go to Ramsey soon, trust me.

Who knows how we'd be with Ramsey playing. Probably not much better. In case anyone forgot he looked completely lost in the preseason, so lost in fact he couldn't outplay Brunell who wasn't exactly a worldbeater himself. Often he was throwing behind WR's and sometimes throwing to a spot where there wasn't even a receiver in sight.

I like Ramsey, but I just don't think he's ready in this system yet.[/QUOTE]

why you think he's gonna change soon Matty? Gibbs seems convinced that as limited as Brunell's arm is, everything else he has, experience, mobility etc. gives us more of a chance to win than Ramsey.

personally, i'd rather have Ramsey in too, but Gibbs practices both QB's every week, and he sees them both under center vs. one of the top defenses in the NFL. ours.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree, I think it's only a matter of time before we see Ramsey.

By the way, did anyone notice who was hugging Brunell after he hit Portis for the "game winning TD"? Yep, it was Ramsey. I dunno I just thought it was pretty cool.[/QUOTE]


I saw it on the highlight's defiently a great sign of character, class, and a winner by Ramsey.

Actually Matty, Ramsey saw the flag on the other side of the field and figured he was finally going to get his chance to play, he was thanking Brunell. :rofl:

While I agree withj just about everything said so far, the one thing that wasn't mentioned was the fact that we wouldn't even have had the chance to be in the position to win the game if it wasn't for Shawn Springs. Once again, our defense gave us the opportunity to win and our offense let us down. The call was the worst I've seen so far this season and the way the season is going for us, there might be a worse one waiting to be called. All I can say is I'm majorly frustrated.

Can anyone even somewhat explain what the officials could have possibly thrown that flag for?

[QUOTE=illdefined]why you think he's gonna change soon Matty? Gibbs seems convinced that as limited as Brunell's arm is, everything else he has, experience, mobility etc. gives us more of a chance to win than Ramsey.
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I think once the season is all but officially done we'll see a change. Or maybe not until we're mathematically eliminated, who knows. But as long as the games are close and Brunell doesn't revert back to completing less than 10 passes for 80 something yards he'll keep the job.

[QUOTE=Winskins]Can anyone even somewhat explain what the officials could have possibly thrown that flag for?[/QUOTE]

Aparrently Thrash was still in motion when the ball snapped. I've seen the replay 10 times and still don't see it.

[QUOTE=Winskins]Can anyone even somewhat explain what the officials could have possibly thrown that flag for?[/QUOTE]They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.

Can't really remember a call that was more painful as a skins fan. It was a mindblowing momentum swinging piece of bull sh**.

Unbelievable.

[QUOTE=offiss]I didn't see Brunell get injured, but I am tired of hearing Gibb's say he fought his gut's out, he's the only one not fighting his gut's out, and the rest of the team is taking it on the chin because of his incompetency, as far as Im concerned the only guy's that are fighting their gut's out are the guy's trying to win in spite of Brunell.[/QUOTE]

You bring up a very good point. A lot has been made of Gibbs' loyalty to his QBs, and that's all fine and good but as head coach Gibbs' chief loyalty should be to the team, not to any one individual player. How do you think it feels to be Lav Coles for example? Here's a guy who goes out there for every play with a hand that he can barely close because of a bad finger and a toe that needs surgery only to see passes sail over head. Then after the game he has to hear the coach say the people around Brunell have to step it up. I can't imagine he appreciates hearing that

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]They said Thrash wasn't set before the snap.

I can see their point, kinda, I guess he wasn't "set" for a full second like you're supposed to be, but that kind of stuff happens all game long in every game around the league.

It was a really, really touchy call. Not that kind of call you want to see take points off the board that's for damn sure.[/QUOTE]

It really sucks that such a key moment of the game had to be decided by a rather irrelevant penalty. I mean this isn't pass interference, roughing the passer, or a blatant holding that we're talking about here

I agree smoot. Even if it did happen, it had NO bearing on the play, and it definetly is something that happens a lot. The ref should keep the flag in his pocket.

Think of it this way....

If they hadent thrown a flag, do you think Packer fan would be " Oh my god, take that TD back there was illegal motion. That guy wasent set , that guy wasent set. Illegal Motion, Illegal motion."

Somehow I dont think Packer fan would be doing that, maybe cause it was a rediculous penalty that had no bearing on the play. Really it wasetn even a penalty. God what a rediculous call.

Matty you're right on that one. I will admit Brunell missed a couple of passes today. But once again the line play was awful. The pass he missed to Cooley he didn't have time to plant and throw.

Was the flag thrown immediately upon the snap?

[QUOTE=Dana87]Matty you're right on that one. I will admit Brunell missed a couple of passes today. But once again the line play was awful. The pass he missed to Cooley he didn't have time to plant and throw.[/QUOTE]

I saw Brunell with quite a bit of time back there, he had a heck of lot more time than I have seen Ramsey have in 2 years under SS. No he didn't have much time to throw that ball to Cooley but he had enough, he over threw it not under threw it, all he had to do is under throw it and it was 6 point's, bottom line he can't hit wide open recievers when he has time, we can't expect him to hit guy's when he has little time, I do believe the announcers are also sending subtle hint's to Gibb's, they kept harping on how brunell keep's missing wide open recievers and how he's not getting the job done, for what that's worth?