RUMOR: Trade talks between Browns (Brady Quinn) and Broncos (Brandon Marshall)
 

doesn't appear to be very solid, but there have apparently been "discussions"

[url=http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978024029]A Pro Bowl Trade? Rumors of a Brandon Marshall... | Gather[/url]

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Is Quinn really an upgrade over Orton?

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I'd say yes Orton sucks.

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not enough to justify a pro bowler( marshall) for. yes, Orton sucks

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So does this mean Kyle Orton's going to come out and demand a trade?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;659446]So does this mean Kyle Orton's going to come out and demand a trade?[/quote]


That's funny. He should be happy he has a job.

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Yes, Orton kind of sucks but so does Quinn.

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To me this seems absolutely horrible lol.. Brandon Marshall has shown that he's going to be a succesful receiver with a pro bowl QB or not. Brady Quinn on the other hand had a good college career but besides two or three games hasn't done anything for the browns in my eyes. I see Derek Anderson being a better QB and this makes me wonder what they'd do for Jason Campbell...

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Brandon Marshall really doesn't have the type of value around the league that his multiple pro bowls would suggest. If Denver traded him for picks, they would probably get a Braylon Edwards type package in return (a third and a fifth plus Jason Trusnick).

Quinn is probably worth that in a vacuum. Is he really that much better than Orton? Perhaps not, but if you saw the Broncos down the stretch, they were treating Orton (fairly or unfairly) like the Jets were treating Mark Sanchez. Only, you know, Orton is a five year veteran. He'll begin the backup portion of his career shortly.

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brady quinn's value is that he hasnt been given a legit shot yet, hence he hasnt proven to be a bust yet.

b marshall is going to be moved at a discount to someone

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;659439]I'd say yes Orton sucks.[/quote]

Not really. Brady Sucks as well.

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Just saw Mort and Schefter on ESPN and they said that they would be shocked if marshall was in a broncos uniform next year and that is playing his last game as a bronco. Also Mort said that Bradford has begun working out for the draft, and that he has put on some weight, now weighing 227lb istead of 213lb like before...more weight, more cushion to protect the fragile shoulder...

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The Broncos better get a first round pick to go alone with Marshall is all I have to say. I mean what the hell is Quinn worth? Certainly not more than a 4th round pick.

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It could be a cut your losses trade a la Randy Moss for a 4th.

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SCREW THAT! Yuck, Quinn is horrible I would rather have Orton ... Marshall won't be in Denver though.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;659466]Just saw Mort and Schefter on ESPN and they said that they would be shocked if marshall was in a broncos uniform next year and that is playing his last game as a bronco. Also Mort said that Bradford has begun working out for the draft, and that he has put on some weight, now weighing 227lb istead of 213lb like before...more weight, more cushion to protect the fragile shoulder...[/quote]

Sam is a can't miss guy.. Seriously we cant pass him up at 4.

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honestly i cant say that Quinn is horrible...due to the lack of any type of reliable receiver...and please dont say "but they had edwards" cause i used the word RELIABLE...i dont think he has touched his potential...but in the same breathe if they do that trade he would have eddie royal as his top target and thats no better than mohamad massaquoi (or however the fuck you spell it) do i think marshall for quinn is a fair deal...hell no for the fact that marshall has proved his usefulness while quinn really hasnt yet...but like it was said before this might be a cut your losses deal. plus "baby t o" is a premaddona and comes with a ton of baggage. if he can grow up like randy moss did he will be fine.

as for bradford is concerned im still concerned about the shoulder and surgeries and such...i know he didnt have anything close to what pennington had but after penn's surgery he was never the same. drafting qbs that high and paying that much is a scarey thought to me...but if he can be our matt ryan than ill be more than pleased with that. i still think okung (if hes there) is the better and safer pick.

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I really don't think there is much difference between Orton and Quinn. Neither can really push the ball downfield consistently and that's why Anderson was the starter. Quinn didn't give Clev any type of downfield presence. On the other hand Marshall is one of the top wr's in the NFL and we need to be in on those trade talks. The second he walks on the field he opens up everything...the running game, gives the 2nd wr single coverage. Denver would be stupid to make that trade straight up.

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How do i wrod this... Orton is a lot less bad than Quinn. I seriously doubt this rumor is based on anything solid. If it is, Denver is just as retarded as i thought they were when they let Shanahan go. What's the point of picking up a less good quarterback and losing his best option at WR? On th eother side, if the Browns somehow managed this, they would be better off... provided they got a better qb elsewhere. (Anderson is horrible)

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Orton has at least established himself as a decent starter. Quinn has a long way to go to reach Orton's level of mediocrity.

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I agree. Quinn certainly has "potential"... but one could also say there's a reason he hasn't had more playing time and its not because Anderson is such a great QB. Who's the coach that said if you have two starting quarterbacks on your roster, then you really have none?

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Is Marshall slated to be a RFA? I know he's been a problem for them at times, but he is a top 5, maybe top 3 WR IMO. I wouldn't let him go cheaply.

I know there is a history w/Shanny, but I hope we don't throw big $ & picks his way.

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I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.

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[quote=IrMitchell;659458]To me this seems absolutely horrible lol.. Brandon Marshall has shown that he's going to be a succesful receiver with a pro bowl QB or not. Brady Quinn on the other hand had a good college career but besides two or three games hasn't done anything for the browns in my eyes. [B]I see Derek Anderson being a better QB and this makes me wonder what they'd do for Jason Campbell..[/B].[/quote]


Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler, thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....

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[quote=mlmpetert;659612]Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler, thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....[/quote]

lol yeah i didnt want cutler either...but i mean if we could land marshall that would be great cause i really doubt that the broncos would do "self trade rape" for quinn. If i had to choose tho i would rather pick up Peppers than marshall but i wouldnt be surprised if we end up with both.

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[quote=mlmpetert;659612][B]Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell when we were trying to get Jay Cutler[/B], thats one of the main reasons they made the trade with the Bears over us. Thank God....[/quote]

Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.

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[quote=Ruhskins;659625]Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

Thank you. Everyone conveniently forgets the huge draft picks involved in the trade.

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[quote=Ruhskins;659625][B]Can we please stop using this overused cliche?[/B] Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

I wanted to say the same exact thing, but decided that those who want to see it that way, no words are going to change their opinion.

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[quote=Ruhskins;659625]Can we please stop using this overused cliche? Orton was not valued higher over Campbell, the Bears just made the Broncos a better offer. It had nothing to do with Orton being better than Campbell. I'm sure that if Snyder had given a better offer than Chicago, the trade would have happened.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its been a while now, but i thought everything i remembering hearing was that the Redskins were offering essentially the same thing (two first and a third plus their QB) for Cutler. But Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Where did you hear that the Redskins decided that the draft picks envolved where too high? I found this that seems to go along with what I remember with Orton valued over Campbell in the eyes of the Broncos, I forgot about the 3 way deal talk. But maybe something came out later with more details?[/COLOR][/FONT]


[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-Cutler-trade-42337677.html"]Cutler traded to Chicago | Washington Examiner[/URL]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver’s preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]“They had the compensation,” another NFL source said of the Redskins. “In the end they chose Orton over Campbell.”[/COLOR][/LEFT]

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Dumb trade if it happens. Brandon Marshall at least can perform and give a team good production, while Quinn is probably going to end up a major bust. He was the most overhyped college football player of all time in my opinion. I know NBC has the TV deal with ND, but come on, ND sucked with Brady Quinn.

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That artical is kind of interesting, because if the Broncos end up getting Quinn, theyll end up with the QB they supposedly “valued” highest, but likely at a much cheaper price then what Quinn would have gone for last year.

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I thought the main issue was the fact that Denver wanted a QB that they felt could be a starter...and they didn't feel sold on JC...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;659507]Sam is a can't miss guy.. Seriously we cant pass him up at 4.[/quote]


BS we can't. Sam can't take hits obviously, so why do you want him? His backup performed rather nicely during the bowl game. I will keep saying this till I am blue in the face, we need to get a guy that made his team better, ala Levefour or Kafka. Sam is a very good QB OKIE, but face it he was loaded with so much talent on offense an average QB could have made All American. The same goes for Tebow or McCoy. Lefevour had some talent on Central Michigan that helped him a bit, and Kafka was the entire NU offense. You take away Kafka from Northwestern, and the Wildcats don't win a game in '09. Both guys(Lefevour, Kafka) are good on their feet and can run when they need to.

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[quote=mlmpetert;659634][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its been a while now, but i thought everything i remembering hearing was that the Redskins were offering essentially the same thing (two first and a third plus their QB) for Cutler. But Denver valued Orton higher then Campbell.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Where did you hear that the Redskins decided that the draft picks evolved where too high? I found this that seems to go along with what I remember with Orton valued over Campbell in the eyes of the Broncos, I forgot about the 3 way deal talk. But maybe something came out later with more details?[/COLOR][/FONT]


[URL="http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/Redskins-Cutler-trade-42337677.html"]Cutler traded to Chicago | Washington Examiner[/URL]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]However, the deal involving the Browns unraveled, prompting Chicago to jump back in and offer a less-complicated deal, knowing the Broncos liked Bears quarterback Kyle Orton. The source said Denver’s preference of quarterbacks was Quinn and then Orton. They were not high on Campbell.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So, rather than do a three-way deal with Washington and another team, the Bears, according to an NFL source, called to offer Orton, two first-round draft picks, and a third-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a fifth-round pick.[/COLOR][/LEFT]

[LEFT][COLOR=#000000]“They had the compensation,” another NFL source said of the Redskins. “In the end they chose Orton over Campbell.”[/COLOR][/LEFT][/quote]

It was my understanding that the Bears had a better offer because Washington didn't want to give up a first rounder...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373]Chicago Bears acquire Jay Cutler from Denver Broncos for Kyle Orton, picks - ESPN[/url]

Even if Denver chose Campbell over Orton, it didn't have much to do about whether one QB was better than the other, and more of which QB McD felt fit his "system" better. Given what transpired in the 2009 season, it is hard to straight up determine which of these QBs is the better one, however, at that moment I think the best QB for Denver was Cutler...it's just that McD wanted his own players and dismantled the Denver offense.

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True. It would be hard for anyone, including the Denver FO, to value Orton over Campbell or vice versa head-up in any major, substantial way. It's not like we're talking about Peyton Manning vs. Quincy Carter here. To the extent that such a valuation would have occurred, it would have unraveled within the context of "best for OUR SYSTEM."

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[quote=Lotus;659643]True. It would be hard for anyone, including the Denver FO, to value Orton over Campbell or vice versa head-up in any major, substantial way. It's not like we're talking about Peyton Manning vs. Quincy Carter here. To the extent that such a valuation would have occurred, it would have unraveled within the context of "best for OUR SYSTEM."[/quote]

quincy carter lol wow its been forever since i heard that name

[quote=GusFrerotte;659636]Dumb trade if it happens. Brandon Marshall at least can perform and give a team good production, while Quinn is probably going to end up a major bust. He was the most overhyped college football player of all time in my opinion. I know NBC has the TV deal with ND, but come on, ND sucked with Brady Quinn.[/quote]

im still not on the quinn is a bust train yet...i want to see him with a decent line, with a decent running game, and some decent receivers all of which the browns have not had in awhile. i really dont think nd was that bad with him...i think he made more with less than Clausen has IMO

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[quote=SBXVII;659607]I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.[/quote]

Seriously? I could do without seeing and hearing TO everyday.

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[quote=SBXVII;659607]I would prefer we kept our draft picks and picked up T.O. with the understanding he is to help McCardell teach the WR's we have now.[/quote]

What in the world makes you think TO will teach anybody.

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Quinn hasn't had a legit shot yet. The Browns are horrible and his support has sucked. Like someone else said, even if he goes to Denver he probably won't have much to work with either, but at least it's a much better organization that typically wins. The main problem with Denver these days is that McDaniels ego is way too big and it's going to continue to cost them valuable games.

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[quote=murphy196;659712]Quinn hasn't had a legit shot yet. The Browns are horrible and his support has sucked. Like someone else said, even if he goes to Denver he probably won't have much to work with either, but at least it's a much better organization that typically wins. The main problem with Denver these days is that McDaniels ego is way too big and it's going to continue to cost them valuable games.[/quote]

nice to see that we think alike. 8) yeah i was saying that he will be pretty much in the same situation like hes in with the browns if they do that trade...except the broncos have a better line and will actually spend money on players to win. i liked mcdaniels after he beat new england...he seems down to earth but when your one win away from the playoffs and because you wanna set an example of a player, who happens to be the only pro bowler you have on offense, and proceed to lose the game you lose a little respect from me. This league is about winning and if you do dumb shit like that to make an example of Marshall and lose out on the playoffs you will not be there long. that wasnt like singletary sitting davis where they had more on offense to still be affective to set an example. marshall will not be there next year without a doubt but if we see him in a browns jersey it wont be from a trade that is him for quinn straight up. i really wanna see quinn succeed cause i actually believe he can be a good nfl qb but with a bunch of 3rd and 4th string receivers as your starters, a lackluster running game (although they started to look better with Harrison starting) and a defense that cant stop anyone he doesnt have much of a chance and will be labeled as a bust without having a true shot. Thats kinda the same reason i feel for JC but i also know that JC has had talent around him and no matter how many different systems your in it boils down to accuracy and being able to read the defense and the field which he has shown to not do on a consistant basis.