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[quote]Down in his home base of south Florida, injured Redskins TB [B]Clinton Portis[/B] [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/mike-shanahan/portis-says-he-expects-to-retu.html#comments"]spoke to[/URL] Rick Maese of The Washington Post about the new regime at Redskins Park and the quarterback he picked a fight with last season, [B]Jason Campbell[/B]. [/quote]

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Thats really some breaking new there.LOL He says he just wants to have fun so i guess that explains why he does not want to practice or workout in the off season. Also your title makes it sound like it coming from the team and not CP.

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[quote=firstdown;659847]Thats really some breaking new there.LOL He says he just wants to have fun so i guess that explains why he does not want to practice or workout in the off season. Also your title makes it sound like it coming from the team and not CP.[/quote]

Yeah, I changed expected to expects.

I just wonder how Portis will do with having to be at OTAs, training camp, and participating in pre-season. These were all strong points hit by Shanahan. Discipline. Portis and discipline don't go together.

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This is bad news for the redskins. They need to be moving forward, not backward...

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Portis is an idiot.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;659864]This is bad news for the redskins. They need to be moving forward, not backward...[/quote]

This just means CP expects to be back, not the Redskins expect him to be back. We'll see. I'll trust MS to determine if he's going to be part of the team next year.

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and the debate continues...

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/34926-portis-staying-13.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/34926-portis-staying-13.html[/URL]

:)

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No that debate was fine on its own thread until somebody had to criticise the admin...beneil called Matty dim and that was the end of it...that thread was just going around in circles though....reading from the beginning you can see where it all started going downhill lol.

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so whats the over/under on when the same thing happens here?

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This thread i dont think will do that...you should go read the other one. It was crazy with Beneil. I've since made peace with him, but man, some people can be so stubborn when proving their point.

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The poll on the DCPSR page is faulty. Regarding new uniforms, it offers a choice between "keep the B&G" and "change it up."

To my knowledge there are thoughts about new uniforms but no one is thinking of changing the team's colors.

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If Portis were to come back and do the right thing, then this new administration will prove able to do something the precious one's haven't been able to do.

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I'll take a motivated Cliton Portis on my team in a heart beat. Especially if we pick a QB of the future in the draft. CP protects against the blitz and can keep the chains moving. I do not see any reason why CP couldn't be just as effective as Thomas Jones was for the Jets, if not more. (provided we shore up the O-line).

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Well I expected Portis to be back and I'm glad that he is. He knows what to expect to from Shanny and he knows what he's getting from Clinton. Same as anyother player on this team.

I really don't get why you all hate/dislike that guy so much.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;659898]Well I expected Portis to be back and I'm glad that he is. He knows what to expect to from Shanny and he knows what he's getting from Clinton. Same as anyother player on this team.

I really don't get why you all hate/dislike that guy so much.[/quote]

I don't think anyone actually hates (strong word) dislikes Portis, they just don't like some of the things he does and says.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;659898]Well I expected Portis to be back and I'm glad that he is. He knows what to expect to from Shanny and he knows what he's getting from Clinton. Same as anyother player on this team.

[B]I really don't get why you all hate/dislike that guy so much[/B].[/quote]

i can't speak for others but the way i feel is i don't hate/dislike portis, i just hate/dislike his actions from time to time. portis the player is fine,it's portis the complainer,portis the no practice,portise the drama queen etc. that gets on my nerves. if he would just show up,practice,workout,participate in all the off season and preseason things,keep his mouth shut and play hard on sundays then everything should be fine.

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it's always about the fact that CP doesn't practice and tops that with complaining ... i think everyone agrees that CP is tough as hell (during the game) and is pure balls when he's out of the field ... it's just all the bullshit surrounding him that is the problem .. i can't even remember the last stretch of 5-6 games where he actually practiced .. even the last playoff run he was not practicing during our winning streak .. CP needs to get his ass in gear and show up at the OTA's and be a part of the team .. if so I don't see why he couldn't go nuts under Shanny just like old times..

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Portis is staying unloess a better option falls in our laps. Which is not likely since Portis is still a top 10 back with a HOF skill set. I love the guy. He's a solid performer who leabes it all on the field on Sundays. Why should I give a shit if some of the "role players" on a 4-12 team don't like his attitude or his comments on our pedestrian QB?

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[quote=Son Of Man;659933]Portis is staying unloess a better option falls in our laps. Which is not likely since Portis is still a top 10 back with a HOF skill set. I love the guy. He's a solid performer who leabes it all on the field on Sundays. Why should I give a shit if some of the "role players" on a 4-12 team don't like his attitude or his comments on our pedestrian QB?[/quote]

And you're the typical fan of a 4-12 team that is ok with a guy like Portis, who represents many things that have been wrong with our 4-12 team.

That being said, I do hope that the whole issue with Portis' attitude ends now that Shanahan is here. From what Portis has said in public, it seems that he understand that he needs to change his attitude and prove himself to the new regime.

What I'm waiting to see is how Portis reacts to a team that (hopefully) will follow the whole concept of running back by committee or the two-RB system. If Portis is fine with this concept, then I think he has a place with this team. If not, then he will need to part ways with this team sometime in the future.

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CP is reaching the end of his productive years on the field. He reached that end in the locker room some time ago.......See ya..........

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I seriously will be shocked if he's back. Since a cap free year will mean that he can be cut without penalty (I think, right?), a priveledge that may not extend past this season, CP and his ridiculous contract would likely have been out even if he was still producing at an adequate level, which of course he isn't.

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[quote=djnemo65;659959]I seriously will be shocked if he's back. Since a cap free year will mean that he can be cut without penalty (I think, right?), a priveledge that may not extend past this season, CP and his ridiculous contract would likely have been out even if he was still producing at an adequate level, which of course he isn't.[/quote]

I have heard from some ppl here that it will cost pretty much the same to cut him as it is to keep him (I could be wrong), which is why I think we should keep him. Might as well get some carries out of him. Regardless of whether he stays or goes, I would like to see a multiple back system.

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I don't see why he shouldn't be back. I told Matty, you walk the walk you can talk the talk. Not saying I agree with Clinton calling out JC, but every frustrated player talks smack at some point. He should have kept quiet, but it isn't like a constant thing like TO or Ochocinco.

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He has done well with the exception of this past year. If he can be healthy this year and put some work into it, he can probably be back into solid form.

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I'ts really about how badly he wants to be hear and participate with this team .. period point blank.

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I'm starting to come around to the thought that he will be back. I'm fine with it because I'm confident he will play the good soldier routine under Shanahan. MS isn't going to put up with his BS and he knows it.

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[quote=Mattyk;660017]I'm starting to come around to the thought that he will be back. I'm fine with it because I'm confident he will play the good soldier routine under Shanahan. MS isn't going to put up with his BS and he knows it.[/quote]


He probably knows his market value is garbage and Washington is his best chance to redeem himself.

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^ Exactly, this is money tree and he know's what to do!

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Spam thread of the year! Breaking news!

We can't financially afford him not to come back. The issue is...will we find a complementary back or hope he stays healthy? Or, will Shanahan successfully install his plug-and-play RB system here?

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He gets paid from the Skins whether he's here or somewhere else next year. He had a lot of success with Shanahan's system in the past and he knows what to expect with him, so I think he's got more than just monetary reasons to want to stay.

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[quote=Son Of Man;659933]Portis is staying unloess a better option falls in our laps. Which is not likely since Portis is still a top 10 back with a HOF skill set. I love the guy. He's a solid performer who leabes it all on the field on Sundays. Why should I give a shit if some of the "role players" on a 4-12 team don't like his attitude or his comments on our pedestrian QB?[/quote]

You should give a shit because that kind of shit that portis does on a daily basis isnt good for the team or team building. I dont agree with you on the HOF skill set. I will however say that he used to possess that skillset, but age, and a lack of training and practice has robbed him of whatever he had left. A guy who has let himself go for the last 2 years and is 30 years old isnt just gonna morph back to his old form.

Did you see pictures of him recently? I'm not exaggerating but he has a gut on him and totally looks shot....He needs training camp at this point because he has no way to get in shape if he doesnt work out or practice...and we all know that he doesnt.

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Either way we have to pay him, since economics have no bearing on him staying or going, we may as well see if we can get any more out of him. Even that is going to depend on how hard he's willing to work, to get in shape and be the ultimate team player.

If Shanahan decides to keep him here, he'll be a changed man.

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Now that I agree with. He knows this is his last chance to start in the league, because if he is cut from here, he will be a 2nd or 3rd option at best..

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i just read the article [U]portis eager to return to skins in 2010 [/U]posted by matty. here is a comment from portis that i actually agree with 100%[QUOTE] I think having a great coach like Coach [Joe] Gibbs, he installed all kinds of discipline and manhood in people, and he got the most out of them. But I think you talk about a genius in scheme, Coach Shanahan is one of the best you can find.[/QUOTE] gibbs is a excellent motivator of men but his scheme was a little out dated, i think shanny will install an up to date, effective scheme that hopefully our players will thrive in.

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[quote=Son Of Man;659892] I do not see any reason why CP couldn't be just as effective as Thomas Jones was for the Jets, if not more. (provided we shore up the O-line).[/quote]

The reason is mileage.

Jones had about 1300 carries under his belt when he signed with the Jets at age 29. Prior to joining them, he had only had one 300+ carry season in seven years in the league.

Portis will be 29 next season and has close to 2200 carries worth of mileage on him. He averaged 280 per year with Denver and has averaged close to 350 carries a season with us when he's actually played the entire season.

Maybe I'm wrong and we haven't (Earl) Campbell-ized the guy, but it's not hard to see that in the numbers, the injuries, and just in the way the guy hits the holes.

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[quote=Longtimefan;660033][B]Either way we have to pay him, since economics have no bearing on him staying or going[/B], we may as well see if we can get any more out of him. Even that is going to depend on how hard he's willing to work, to get in shape and be the ultimate team player.

If Shanahan decides to keep him here, he'll be a changed man.[/quote]

this is what i dont understand. CP is set to make over 10 mil / year for the next 3 years. if we cut him this year, his guaranteed money owed for the next 3 years will be absorbed in 2010 and he will not effect our cap past 2010.

the only downside is that dan snyder is going to have to pay a ton of money to CP this year for a player not even on our team. thats what i think gtripp was referring to i think. the benefit is CP's contract will be cleared off the books after 2010, when there will be a cap.

dont confuse CP still getting paid by dan snyder and CP's pay effecting the cap. there are two options as i see it:

1) cut CP in uncapped year, have all of his future guaranteed money paid in 2010 and he is off the books after that. sucks for dan snyder to have to pay all that money in 2010 to a player not on your team but maybe dan snyder and vinny shouldnt have restructured CPs contract so many times by converting future salary (unguarnateed) into future guaranteed money but atleast we added some cap space in '07, right.

2) dont cut CP, pay him over 10 mil for the next 3 years. this wouldnt be a problem this year with no cap but if the cap comes back in 2011 and 2012, do you really want to pay portis over 10 mil 2-3 years from now? with it counting against the cap? when you could have just taken a large hit to dan snyders pocket in the uncapped year and be done with it?

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[quote=over the mountain;660058]this is what i dont understand. CP is set to make over 10 mil / year for the next 3 years. if we cut him this year, his guaranteed money owed for the next 3 years will be absorbed in 2010 and he will not effect our cap past 2010.[/quote]

No problem, because we'll definitely be getting our [URL="http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/2009/05/17/thirty-year-old-running-backs-the-age-of-decline/"]money's[/URL] [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=nfldk2k830rbs"]worth[/URL] from him in 2011.

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@dgack:

Great post...i remember when that article first came out, and it is exactly right. After a certain age, usually 30, RB's take a massive plunge in terms of production.

Somebody else on here had a hypothesis that it wasn't so much age, as it was career carries....

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/clinton-portis/portis-says-hes-a-better-fit-f.html#more]Redskins Insider - Portis says he's a better fit for Shanahan's system[/url]

another CP article, but this time he is able to talk football without having to blame specific players on our team. he does make a good point about how our O line was asked to hold their own and go 1 on 1 last year and that next year he sees the Oline and pocket moving around more with boots and play action, etc.

our Oline talent last year was not suited to go 1 on 1 and hold their own, i think i remember seeing alot of that last year = guys getting beat 1 on 1 with no help, chips or scheme to account for when a levi jones or a heyer get predicatably beat.

if CP could talk in this general football sense more, alot of "misunderstandings" and "thing taken out of context" wouldnt happen. how the hell do your words get taken out of context when they were said on the radio and you were talking for mins at a time non-stop with no new question posed? but i digress. . . .

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CP just isnt a guy that a team is going to win with because he's a me first type player who expects a lot from others but doesnt want to give when it doesnt suit him. I think its time for the Skins to move on because he's getting older and not any better.