Gibbs Press Conference at 5pm
 

Thoughts on what Joe will be discussing today at 5pm? I read he will be commenting on the loss yesterday and status of injuries, particularly Morton and Lott.

I imagine we'll get a restarined as possible discussion of the phantom motion call as well as the obligatory "we should played better and not gotten ourselves into that situation" mantra. I'd also bet he is more impressed with our offensive effort and thinks we are real close to breaking it open. Of course the defense was great.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I imagine we'll get a restarined as possible discussion of the phantom motion call as well as the obligatory "we should played better and not gotten ourselves into that situation" mantra. I'd also bet he is more impressed with our offensive effort and thinks we are real close to breaking it open. Of course the defense was great.[/QUOTE]
yes I would tend to agree... I'm sure someone from the peanut gallery is going to ask him about the QB situation and he'll probably say something like that was decided in August and we'll stand by Mark blah blah blah

Well it's now 5:25 and I'm still waiting for Joe to address the media... the skins website said approximately 5pm but this is getting beyond fashionably late. Wake me up when the party's over boys!

[B]On Injuries:[/B]
Chad Morton and Andre Lott are out for the season.
John Hall is getting closer to returning, but he is still day to day.

[B]On Being Pleased with the Defense:[/B]
The D limited RB Green to 3.0 ypc and that was great. The Defense is simply great, especially the corners.

[B]Referring to the Portis-TD that was called back:[/B]
Gibbs said "we made a play to win the game, but calls are inconsistent." There was nothing wrong with what we did on that play. Gibbs said he sent the play into the NFL front office to appeal the ruling on the field.

[B]On fans calling for Ramsey:[/B]
He never thought for a second to put Ramsey in, the fans booing had no impact on his decision to keep Brunell in the game. He was very comfortable with Brunell's play. Everyone is frustrated including Gibbs.

[B]On Rod Gardner:[/B]
Rod Gardner is very competitive, he's a big guy, very strong.

[B]On What Has Hurt Us:[/B]
We haven't been able to get into the endzone. We haven't been getting the ball downfield.

[B]On Converting 3rd downs:[/B]
We were not very good at converting on 3rd down. We had errant throws and some bad pass protection sometimes.

[B]On Pass Protection:[/B]
We haven't been nearly as efficient as we'd like to be.

[B]On Rushing:[/B]
Anytime you're down by 17, it's hard to get a lot of rushes in. We would've liked to have been able to get more rushes in since we had a 4.2 or 4.3 ypc.

Thanks for the quick review RF. No rumblings on Ramsey playing anytime soon was there?

Just to add to what RamseyFan posted. Gibbs was pretty livid about that penalty. He said it's something they've done as long as he's been coach. It's part of the offense, the receiver goes in motion, stops and picks up the safety blitz.

He said he was sending the NFL front office three other instances on Sunday when they ran the same play and no flag was thrown

Here we go again with a league apology a few days later and nothing of substance actually happening. What if ref crews were evaluated like the MLB does with quest-tech? I bet guys wouldn't be so willing to to toss flags on ticky tack plays if they were going to be fined or pulled off post season crews. I know they have an evaluation system in place but something has to be done to stop this nonsense. The man in motion call followed by the non-call on the obvious pass interefence were a ridiculous sequence of events.
The Lott injury is going to heap a whole lot (no pun intended) of pressure on ST's shoulders. Hope his fall break helped him refocus on the task at hand.

I can't blame Gibbs for being ticked about that call, we all should be pissed about it. It was bogus. I've seen it a half dozen times now and there's no way that should have been called. We were robbed, again.

On What Has Hurt Us:
We haven't been able to get into the endzone. We haven't been getting the ball downfield.

On Converting 3rd downs:
We were not very good at converting on 3rd down. We had errant throws and some bad pass protection sometimes.


I suppose these two items weren't Brunells fault according to Gibbs, especially the "errant throws."

So are we back to the conspiracy theory that the "powers that be" in the NFL want to see Gibbs fail in his return to football?

Why do people think Gibbs doesn't know Brunell is not playing well?? He said he had some errant throws, couldn't convert on 3rd downs, couldn't get the ball in the endzone... that all sounds like problems with the QB to me.

I guess some people want him to single out Brunell each week, "Yeah Mark really sucked out there today, he's courageous but he sucked".

I guarantee once Ramsey plays he'll protect him in the media the same exact way. He's not going to throw gas on the fire by calling out his QB no matter how bad he plays, we've all seen how QB controversies go and it never ends pretty.

[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]So are we back to the conspiracy theory that the "powers that be" in the NFL want to see Gibbs fail in his return to football?[/QUOTE]
With some of the calls and non-calls we've seen this year it certainly makes you wonder. Call it karma, bad luck or whatever, it just seems anytime there's a key penalty we're on the receiving end.

It is a shame that when my wife sees that it was a bogus flag and she hardly understands the game!!!!

pretty worthless press conference... chad bowen lott and jansen out for the season, lavar and barrow still hurt... it never ends...

well, thats two more spaces to hire 40 year old Olinemen and 35 year old TEs to... ;)

Yeah Matty, I picked up on Gibbs' angry tone about the horrible call-back of Brunell and Portis' TD. I should have communicated that better, thanks.

I'm so pissed off right now about that call I can't see straight. It's probably good I'm in Wisconsin right now (even if it is Packer country) because if I were at FEDEX, I probably would've rushed the field and strangled one of the refs.

I know Gibbs is disappointed with Brunell's play and I admire his loyalty...to a certain extent. I appreciate that he's not going to throw fuel on the fire. He'll be as loyal to Ramsey or anyone else who is under center. That said, I'm still frustrated with Gibbs for keeping Brunell in. How can I not be?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]With some of the calls and non-calls we've seen this year it certainly makes you wonder. Call it karma, bad luck or whatever, it just seems anytime there's a key penalty we're on the receiving end.[/QUOTE]

And how about the non-call on that Gardner to Portis play to start the game? If the refs are not going to call that then they shouldn't have called PI on Lemar Marshall in the endzone.

By the way, I heard Brunell finished with a higher passer rating than Favre. Is that true?

[QUOTE=smootsmack]And how about the non-call on that Gardner to Portis play to start the game? If the refs are not going to call that then they shouldn't have called PI on Lemar Marshall in the endzone.

By the way, I heard Brunell finished with a higher passer rating than Favre. Is that true?[/QUOTE]
Yes you heard right, as from nfl.com Brunell 66.1 and Favre 61.3.

Yeah, Favre didnt exactly light it up either. He just chucks it up and hopes his guy gets it.

[quote]we've all seen how QB controversies go and it never ends pretty.[/quote]

Weren't you the guy that said Brunell coming in wouldn't cause a QB controversey? =p

Favre threw 3 INTs. That normally drops your rating a bit!

[QUOTE=Daseal]Favre threw 3 INTs. That normally drops your rating a bit![/QUOTE]
And that normally means the opposing team wins with that many turnovers!!!

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]And that normally means the opposing team wins with that many turnovers!!![/QUOTE]The Skins are way down on the +/- turnover stat... not that they would be likely to capitalize on it if they were getting the turnovers.

[QUOTE=EEich]not that they would be likely to capitalize on it if they were getting the turnovers.[/QUOTE]
Thats my point we get turnovers but our offense cant do anything with them, unless our d puts us at the 10yd line or so we usually just fizzel out, and punt.

Well, at least our offense *did* score 3 TDs in this game, but I agree with ya....if we get turnovers then punting is not an option.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Weren't you the guy that said Brunell coming in wouldn't cause a QB controversey? =p
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Right, and there hasn't been a QB controversy, well at least not to the extent that it could be.

There was an open competition for the job, Brunell got the nod and Gibbs has stuck with him. If he was switching back and forth that would cause a much bigger controversy and would likely divide the team.

The only QB controversy that exists is with the fans.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Right, and there hasn't been a QB controversy, well at least not to the extent that it could be.

There was an open competition for the job, Brunell got the nod and Gibbs has stuck with him. If he was switching back and forth that would cause a much bigger controversy and would likely divide the team.

The only QB controversy that exists is with the fans.[/QUOTE]

That there is no QB controversy in the locker room is wishful thinking. All the wideouts have got to be a little concerned about passes sailing over their heads, check-downs to backs constantly, and the generally poor passing game.

The O-line can't be too happy about protecting a guy that can't make the throws to wide open recievers, brings blitzing defenses who don't respect the deep ball, and who make the running game difficult because the defenses are stacking the box.

Portis sure can't be happy with Brunell.

The Defense has to be livid with the offense.

Gibbs can't be satisfied with Brunell.

Trust me, Gibbs is doing a good job of putting on a smile, but the QB controversy isn't limited to the fans.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]That there is no QB controversy in the locker room is wishful thinking. All the wideouts have got to be a little concerned about passes sailing over their heads, check-downs to backs constantly, and the generally poor passing game.

The O-line can't be too happy about protecting a guy that can't make the throws to wide open recievers, brings blitzing defenses who don't respect the deep ball, and who make the running game difficult because the defenses are stacking the box.

Portis sure can't be happy with Brunell.

The Defense has to be livid with the offense.

Gibbs can't be satisfied with Brunell.

Trust me, Gibbs is doing a good job of putting on a smile, but the QB controversy isn't limited to the fans.[/QUOTE]

I sure hope so. I'll stick by Gibbs decisions even if I disagree, but if the quote " I didnt even think about playing Ramsey. " is true, he has to seroiusly look at himself and wonder if hes doing the right thing.

Not playing Ramsey is one thing, and I will listen to the arguments and let coach do his thing. If, however, he is 100% on Brunell and isnt even contemplating Ramsey even with a 1/100th of his mind....theres somthing wrong.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]That there is no QB controversy in the locker room is wishful thinking. All the wideouts have got to be a little concerned about passes sailing over their heads, check-downs to backs constantly, and the generally poor passing game.

The O-line can't be too happy about protecting a guy that can't make the throws to wide open recievers, brings blitzing defenses who don't respect the deep ball, and who make the running game difficult because the defenses are stacking the box.

Portis sure can't be happy with Brunell.

The Defense has to be livid with the offense.

Gibbs can't be satisfied with Brunell.

Trust me, Gibbs is doing a good job of putting on a smile, but the QB controversy isn't limited to the fans.[/QUOTE]
If that's true, which we have no idea if it is, my point is at least it's not being magnified in the media which does nothing but throws fuel on the fire.

Gibbs doesn't do his dirty laundry in public and the players respect that.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I sure hope so. I'll stick by Gibbs decisions even if I disagree, but if the quote " I didnt even think about playing Ramsey. " is true, he has to seroiusly look at himself and wonder if hes doing the right thing.

Not playing Ramsey is one thing, and I will listen to the arguments and let coach do his thing. If, however, he is 100% on Brunell and isnt even contemplating Ramsey even with a 1/100th of his mind....theres somthing wrong.[/QUOTE]

How do you think people would react though if Gibbs publicly said "I have my doubts about who to play at QB. I'm really not sure. Sometimes I think Brunell should stay in, other times I wonder if Ramsey isn't the better choice. Then I start to wonder what about Timmy. It's all so confusing"

I think at least publicly Gibbs isn't going to give any indication that he's contemplating a change. Behind the scenes is another matter all together.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If that's true, which we have no idea if it is, my point is at least it's not being magnified in the media which does nothing but throws fuel on the fire.

Gibbs doesn't do his dirty laundry in public and the players respect that.[/QUOTE]

I too respect that Gibbs doesn't air his dirty laundry. But, at this point, denying that there is a QB controversy reminds me of a scene from "The Naked Gun" where Leslie Neilsen's character is standing in front of an exploding fireworks store saying "There's nothing to see here" while Chinese guys on fire are running out of the store.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I too respect that Gibbs doesn't air his dirty laundry. But, at this point, denying that there is a QB controversy reminds me of a scene from "The Naked Gun" where Leslie Neilsen's character is standing in front of an exploding fireworks store saying "There's nothing to see here" while Chinese guys on fire are running out of the store.[/QUOTE]
So now Gibbs is a bumbling idiot who has no grasp of reality?

Maybe I'm missing your analogy.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]So now Gibbs is a bumbling idiot who has no grasp of reality?

Maybe I'm missing your analogy.[/QUOTE]
I think what he is saying is, it's obvious that the QB position is a problem. It seems as if Gibbs is saying, 'Problem? What problem? There's no problem.' At some point, credentials aside, Gibbs may start to lose some credibility by refusing to admit that the situation continues to be a hinderance to the team. He can point to all other things (receivers not being open, OL not blocking, etc) but the bottom line is the QB has to make plays. He has to be a threat to the defense. When Wilbon has gone into EVERY opposing lockerroom and they have singled Brunell out as the reason the offense isn't moving the ball, when every analyst confirms that Brunell is done, at some point Gibbs needs to acknowledge the obvious that a change needs to be made.

Well like I've said repeatedly, Gibbs isn't going to call his out his QB in the press no matther who much he struggles. Whether it's Ramsey or Brunell who is struggling, he's not going to give the press anything to chew on. Let's be honest, if he gives any bit of a hint that he's wavering on his decision as to who to start, people are gonna take that and run with it and it only makes things worse. If you believe Gibbs runs the team the same way he deals with the media then I guess he has you fooled and it's mission accomplished.

Gibbs plays things with the media and public very close to the vest. From limiting media access to camps to cutting half of training camp off from the public.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Why do people think Gibbs doesn't know Brunell is not playing well?? He said he had some errant throws, couldn't convert on 3rd downs, couldn't get the ball in the endzone... that all sounds like problems with the QB to me.

I guess some people want him to single out Brunell each week, "Yeah Mark really sucked out there today, he's courageous but he sucked".

I guarantee once Ramsey plays he'll protect him in the media the same exact way. He's not going to throw gas on the fire by calling out his QB no matter how bad he plays, we've all seen how QB controversies go and it never ends pretty.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs is totally protecting Brunell. Anyone who thinks Gibbs is watching these games and the game tapes and thinks Brunell is really doing a good job is crazy. He just doesn't think Ramsey would do any better so why make a change for no reason.