ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd
 

[QUOTE][QUOTE]Jason Campbell-QB- Redskins Feb. 16 - 10:00 pm et


ESPN's John Clayton expects the Redskins to use a first- and third-round tender on restricted free agent Jason Campbell.
In other words, Clayton doesn't believe Campbell is going anywhere this offseason. E[B]ven if the team drafts Sam Bradford at No. 4, he'd likely sit for a year and develop behind Campbell. [/B]The Redskins could opt to go with an offensive tackle in the first round instead.
Source: ESPN.com[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Thats the only part Clayton is wrong about. Campbell would likely as for a trade if we draft Bradford . But this was expected that we are letting Campbell test out free agency.

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[quote=redskins202;663734]Thats the only part Clayton is wrong about. Campbell would likely ask for a trade if we draft Bradford . But this was expected that we are letting Campbell test out free agency.[/quote]

I don't think so. I think Jason has a better idea of where he stands this year. The whole asking for a trade seem to come after Vinny and Snyder did damage control with Cutler then turned around a month later and tried to land Sanchez.

This year Shanahan has pretty much told him up front theres going to be a QB competition this year in camp. If Campbell was going to demand a trade then we probably would have heard at least some sort of rumbling.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;663737]I don't think so. I think Jason has a better idea of where he stands this year. The whole asking for a trade seem to come after Vinny and Snyder did damage control with Cutler then turned around a month later and tried to land Sanchez.

This year Shanahan has pretty much told him up front theres going to be a QB competition this year in camp. If Campbell was going to demand a trade then we probably would have heard at[B] least some sort of rumbling.[[/B]/QUOTE]

If we draft a QB look for him to talk about it. Either way he wants to be a starter for more than a year. But its just me.....I just want us to draft a QB period knowing he'll be the future.

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[quote=redskins202;663738]
If we draft a QB look for him to talk about it. Either way he wants to be a starter for more than a year. But its just me.....[B]I just want us to draft a QB period knowing he'll be the future[/B].[/quote]

we already have, he was just on ir last year

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Well he'll be here because no one is going to give up a 1st and a 3rd for him. Hopefully this works out and he can become an upper echelon QB this season. My opinion of him as a QB is known but if he can get it fine then good if not oh well. On to the next guy.

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Doesn't look like this has happened yet. I assume if we tender him that high, we will keep him as Clayton said, one year, and let Shanahan's qb of the future sit for the first year. Of course if someone meets the tender we can always use the picks!

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So do you have a link on this? Or is this just speculation?

[quote=mlmdub130;663740]we already have, he was just on ir last year[/quote]

He didn't say backup QB, he said franchise QB.

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Question for any CBA guru. Can we tender JC before the uncapped year kicks in and he officially becomes restricted, in other words we can't tender him until March 5th, right?

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Updating the thread title because it's inaccurate

Smart move to tender him at the highest level...when it happens. They won't get a 1st and a 3rd for him but good starting point for trade negotiations

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Hell if we got a 1st and 3rd for him I'd vote for Obama in 2012.

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[quote=firstdown;663746]Hell if we got a 1st and 3rd for him I'd vote for Obama in 2012.[/quote]

Oh my God, quote of the year.

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[quote=firstdown;663746]Hell if we got a 1st and 3rd for him I'd vote for Obama in 2012.[/quote]

Alright alright, keep your freaking politics out of this. :postcop:

Back to the subject, I was thinking that the only way I'd be on board with drafting Bradford would be if we get a first-rounder for Campbell....or MAYBE a second-rounder.

Still, if we draft Bradford without Campbell in the roster, we would probably need to find a veteran QB, and I know the there are slim pickings out there. But I wonder how would a Marc Bulger look here in Washington?

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we would never get a 1st and 3rd for him, tender him for something we would get for him like a 3rd or 4th

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[quote=Ruhskins;663750] :postcop:
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You expect people to listen to that cruddy little emoticon!! Dude if you want people to pay attention then you need to throw in something like this.
[IMG]http://earthhopenetwork.net/police_tank_2.jpg[/IMG]

Or better yet:
[IMG]http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/political-pictures-tank-rollin-hatin-san-diego.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Ruhskins;663750]Still, if we draft Bradford without Campbell in the roster, we would probably need to find a veteran QB, and I know the there are slim pickings out there. But I wonder how would a Marc Bulger look here in Washington?[/quote]

Or perhaps Brett Favre will decide... just kidding


I'd really prefer it if campbell stayed in Washington - everyone seems to either want him out, or to just use him as a stopgap until shanny's "quarterback of the future." I know he's had his shots, but what if JC just has a monster year in 2010? Is it [I]that[/I] implausible that he could do well in shanny's offense?

I digress...Regardless of whether he plays for one year or more, I think he's too valuable to the redskins to give up right now, especially with the dearth of veteran QBs around that you mentioned. He's the only semblance of a leader we have on this offense, and I think that's overlooked a lot.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;663755]we would never get a 1st and 3rd for him, tender him for something we would get for him like a 3rd or 4th[/quote]

Yeah, because you'd be the one that would let the top QB FA (given the crop of FA QBs out there) walk away for just a 3rd or 4th rounder. :doh:

If they do tender him that high it is obvious that they want to keep him or get a good compensation if they part ways with him. No one would be dumb enough to let him walk for such low price. Good thing you're not in charge of anything Mr. Cowboy fan.

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[quote=Ruhskins;663743]So do you have a link on this? Or is this just speculation?



He didn't say backup QB, he said franchise QB.[/quote]

Well then your not talking about Campbell either then.

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[quote=WaldSkins;663760]Well then your not talking about Campbell either then.[/quote]

I wasn't, someone was talking about drafting a franchise QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;663759]Yeah, because you'd be the one that would let the top QB FA (given the crop of FA QBs out there) walk away for just a 3rd or 4th rounder. :doh:

If they do tender him that high it is obvious that they want to keep him or get a good compensation if they part ways with him. No one would be dumb enough to let him walk for such low price. Good thing you're not in charge of anything Mr. Cowboy fan.[/quote]

We're better off without him, and we'd be lucky even if we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

Again your very immature for your age with the whole Cowboy thing.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;663767]We're better off without him, and we'd be lucky even if we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

Again your very immature for your age with the whole Cowboy thing.[/quote]

Why are we better off without him, because you don't like him?

Regardless of what you think of a player, you don't want to give away any player without appropriate compensation. This is the part where your obvious anti-Campbell bias is shown when you are willing to part ways with him for a 4th rounder. You're one of those fans that hates Campbell so much that you want to get rid of him no matter what.

If they do tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd, it is obvious that the team wants to keep him or they want to make sure that they get very good compensation for him. The funny thing is that you want to get rid of Campbell for a 4th rounder, yet getting a first or second for him would pretty much guaranteed that we draft your mancrush Bradford.

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fuck that if we draft a QB i want him thrown in the fire a la sanchez...worket out pretty well for the JETS.

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[quote=tootergray34;663770]fuck that if we draft a QB i want him thrown in the fire a la sanchez...worket out pretty well for the JETS.[/quote]

Yeah, because the Jets have an offensive line that would make me look good as a QB. If Shanny can build the line, anything can happen. Two first round picks would allow us to get Bradford and a first-round tackle.

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I doubt Jason has any trade value. The tender is irrelevant so they might as well make it for a trillion $ and a toilet made of solid gold. He'll either be cut if Shanny & Co find a true starter or he'll just compete for a spot on the team.

Realistically he's a Redskin for another year; however, it's not realistic to expect him to start all season. When Jason gets out of rhythm he's totally ineffective, struggling even to complete the basic stuff. Shanny will bench him in a heartbeat.

The more I think about Jason's future it's actually easy to see him out of the league not too long from now. One thing we know is he [I]thinks[/I] he's far better than he really is...always asserting he is unquestionably a starter in this league. We also know most, if not all, franchises do not see him as a starter. If he's unwilling to meet his likely destiny on the bench somewhere I can see him just calling it good.

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Sanchez wasn't that good this year. They basically got into the playoffs with their defense and top teir running game, not to mention playing two teams that rested starters then playing two teams that couldn't kick if their life depended on it. Lucky is the word that comes to mind when I think of the Jets this year and I find it very difficult to imagine them being a playoff team next year unless Sanchez takes the next step in his development. A feat that he's certainly capable of achieving. This isn't Matt "am I sober yet" Leinart.

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[quote=The Goat;663773]
Realistically he's a Redskin for another year; however, it's not realistic to expect him to start all season. When Jason gets out of rhythm he's totally ineffective, struggling even to complete the basic stuff. Shanny will bench him in a heartbeat.
[/quote]

Usually I would disagree with you but Shanahan did bench Plummer in favor of Cutler when the Bronco's were still vying for a playoff spot. Then again Plummer regressed pretty strongly that year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;663769][B][SIZE="4"][QUOTE]Why are we better off without him, because you don't like him? [/quote][/SIZE][/B]

Regardless of what you think of a player, you don't want to give away any player without appropriate compensation. This is the part where your obvious anti-Campbell bias is shown when you are willing to part ways with him for a 4th rounder. You're one of those fans that hates Campbell so much that you want to get rid of him no matter what.

If they do tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd, [B][quote]it is obvious that the team wants to keep him [/quote][/B]or they want to make sure that they get very good compensation for him. [quote] The funny thing is that you want to get rid of Campbell for a 4th rounder, yet getting a first or second for him would pretty much guaranteed that we draft your mancrush Bradford.[/quote][/QUOTE]


1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?

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Campbell. It's Jason Campbell

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[quote=redskins202;663779]1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?[/quote]

Why do you keep calling him Jason Candle? And whats this about a 70% chance? Doesn't seem likely with Shanahan's praise of him so far. Sure maybe he's trying to bump up the trade value but [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor"]Occam's razor[/URL] dictates that it's more then likely that he wants to give JC a fair shake.

Campbell might not be a world beater but he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

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[quote=redskins202;663779]1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?[/quote]

I saw Campbell in 2009, but I also saw our offensive line's horrible play as well. I know we need a QB of the future, but as I said, I would rather us build the offensive line first and then pick that QB of the future. Best case scenario, would be to do both.

Regardless of what any fan thinks of Campbell, there are pundits out there (and not ordinary fans like you and I) who feel that Campbell is the top FA QB this offseason and has value. ESPN's Matt Williamson recently said that if the price is right, the Redskins should consider getting pick(s) for Campbell.

As I said, I know Campbell didn't play well, but I'm not as simple minded as some fans to think that he is the only reason we went 4-12. This team needs a franchise left tackle, needs a starting-caliber right tackle, possibly a new center and right guard, a new running game, and a QB of the future. All these things may not be addressed this offseason, but all of these problems are not going to be solved by getting rid of Campbell just for the hell of it. Now extra high picks would help a lot, and for once I want our team to be on the winning end of a lopsided trade and finagle a trade where we get a 1st or 2nd for Campbell.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;663781][QUOTE]Why do you keep calling him Jason Candle[/quote]? And whats this about a 70% chance? Doesn't seem likely with Shanahan's praise of him so far. Sure maybe he's trying to bump up the trade value but [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor"]Occam's razor[/URL] dictates that it's more then likely that he wants to give JC a fair shake.

[B][quote]Campbell might not be a world beater but he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be[/quote][/B].[/QUOTE]

He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd8SKfMj378]YouTube - Jason Candle (Jason Campbell) Geico Commercial[/ame]


^^^Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.

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[quote=Ruhskins;663784]I saw Campbell in 2009, but I also saw our offensive line's horrible play as well. I know we need a QB of the future, but as I said, I would rather us build the offensive line first and then pick that QB of the future. Best case scenario, would be to do both.

Regardless of what any fan thinks of Campbell, there are pundits out there (and not ordinary fans like you and I) who feel that Campbell is the top FA QB this offseason and has value. ESPN's Matt Williamson recently said that if the price is right, the Redskins should consider getting pick(s) for Campbell.

As I said, [B]I know Campbell didn't play well[/B], [B]but I'm not as simple minded as some fans to think that he is the only reason we went 4-12. [/B] This team needs a franchise left tackle, needs a starting-caliber right tackle, possibly a new center and right guard, a new running game, and a QB of the future. All these things may not be addressed this offseason, but all of these problems are not going to be solved by getting rid of Campbell just for the hell of it. Now extra high picks would help a lot, and for once I want our team to be on the winning end of a lopsided trade and finagle a trade where we get a 1st or 2nd for Campbell.[/quote]



Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

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[quote=redskins202;663785]He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?.


^^^Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.[/quote]

I'm well aware of the Geico commercial. What I want to know is why you inisist on calling him Candle.

Bills - Right now are looking at Vick, Thigpen, and Edwards as their main option. Not the sexiest lineup but it is what it is.

Rams - Looking at one of the top 3 rookie QB's and Vick.

Vikings - Even if Farve retires the more likely option ends up being Childress trading for a QB that knows his system (ie Kolb or McNabb, with Kolb being the more likely prospect to get traded).

Jaguars - They've invested a lot of money in Garrard and for a frugal franchise thats big. The only QB they're considering right now is Tebow and thats more about selling tickets.

Raiders - Poor Al Davis. Can't see the fact that JaMarcus is a bust.

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[quote=redskins202;663785]He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?

Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.[/quote]

I think you are exaggerating on Campbell's abilities, especially when you see analysts say thing like this...

[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/news/story?id=4911628]NFL: The Carolina Panthers have depth problems at wide receiver - ESPN[/url]

[quote]With Shanahan on board, Campbell finally would be fortunate enough to have some offensive stability in terms of the system, expectations and play-calling on a year-to-year basis. For once he wouldn't have to pick up a new language every offseason. [B]Physically, Campbell has what it takes. He can move well enough to execute Shanahan's scheme, has a big strong arm to drive the ball down the field and is accurate enough. The tools are there, and he just had his best year as a starter.[/B] I contend that he could use a real confidence boost and some of the responsibility off his plate;[B] he was simply asked to do way too much last year as nearly every aspect of the Redskins' offense crumbled around him. He was also sacked 43 times and was constantly under siege.[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]But the beauty of sticking with Campbell is that the Redskins could then use the resources on building a quick zone-blocking offensive line and finding a ball carrier they can trust.[/COLOR][/B] Shanahan does have an impressive history of getting first-round production from mid-round running backs. I can live with the receiving corps that is in place and the defense.[/quote]

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This is great news.. Redskins FO (Shanahan and Allen) are definitely doing right things so far; granted it's only based on rumors.. But still...

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[quote=SmootSmack;663745]Updating the thread title because it's inaccurate

[B]Smart move to tender him at the highest level...when it happens. They won't get a 1st and a 3rd for him but good starting point for trade negotiations[/B][/quote]

Totally agree.

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Can i ask a question about this? When they say they are "tendering" him, does that mean they will not let him go without getting a 1st and a 3rd?

Or is it them calling somebody's bluff because they realize that Jason will not get those picks....somebody help me out. I'm honestly confused.

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If they tender him at the 1st and 3rd level, that's just the starting off point for negotiations. It doesn't mean that he can only be dealt for a 1st and 3rd.

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[quote=redskins202;663786]Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.[/quote]

You just replaced Firstdown. Congrats.

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[quote=redskins202;663786]Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.[/quote]


Wow, my head just exploded trying to read that. I think you need a visit from the Keyboard Police, you obviously don't have the proper training to posses one.

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202 step up your game son