Unrestricted Free Agents Who Might Help
 

This is not going to be a list of restricted free agents that you can fantasize about having the Redskins go out and sign. And hopefully, this list would not put the Skins in such a salary situation that when the new CBA and the new cap rules are put in place, the Skins have to begin to dismantle the squad. [That happened to a small extent in the mid-90s when the cap first came into being.] I looked for UFAs who might be signable for a reasonable amount of money.

I avoided putting guys in their late 30s on this list. The Redskins have to get younger - - a lot younger - - so even though guys like Kevin Mawae is unrestricted, he is 39 years old. I do not have him on this list even though at age 39 he would be the best offensive lineman on the roster the day he signed.

Here are a couple of unrestricted free agents who can play a little at positions where the Skins need some help:

[B]Offensive Line:[/B]

Justin Hartwig - - started for the Steelers on their Super Bowl winning team. Would be an upgrade at Center.

Nick Kaczur - - starter for the Pats for the last several years as a tackle. And do the Redskins ever need tackles...

Bobby Williams - - liked the way he blocked on run plays for Bengals this year; has been a starter there for several years.


[B]Wide Receiver:[/B] [The Skins have "potential" at WR but not a lot of "achievement" there.]

Kevin Walter - - good possession receiver for Texans.

Antonio Bryant - - seems to have gotten past his immaturity/meathead problems from 5-6 years ago. He can play...


[B]Running Back:[/B]

Leon Washington - - leg injury in '09 could make him a bargain signing

Chester Taylor - - very good 3rd down back and someone who can spell the #1 RB capably.

Willie Parker - - lots of injuries in the last year and a half...

Larry Johnson - - Maybe he performs like Cedric Benson with a change of scenery; maybe he continues to be a pain-in-the-ass...


[B]Defensive Backs:[/B]

Dunta Robinson - - cannot believe the Texans would let him go elsewhere but...

Ryan Clark -- He won't need a map to find Redskins Park.

Leigh Bodden - - might be too costly an acquisistion.

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Lets just trade Carlos Rogers and JC for second round picks and AH and Cooley for a pair of first round picks. Then we won't have to worry about free agents. lol

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The Steelers may be using one of their tags on Ryan Clark according to Adam Schefter. They will definitely use one on Hampton, and I doubt they will tag Willie Parker, so Clark makes sense.

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Dirtbag:

Don't think you could get a 2nd rounder for Rodgers and I am confident you will not get a 1st rounder for Haynesworth with that huge contract coming along with him.

The Skins will need to upgrade via the draft AND via the free agent market. If they can make a trade along the way, that could be good too.

This is not a 4-12 team that had a bunch of bad breaks; this is a 4-12 team that needs a lot of help in several areas.

If the Redskins could sign two of the unrestricted free agents on my list, I think that would improve the team for 2010.

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Does Clark play more FS or SS? At any rate he'd be the best safety on the roster immediately and if he plays FS we get an enormous upgrade over Landry.

Outside of that position I don't see a lot of FA potential.

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I think Dirt was being sarcastic. LOL. Although...

If we were to get Dunta Robinson (theoretically), would there be a realistic chance of getting a pick for Carlos Rogers? Just curious.

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texans would basically have to franchise Dunta "Pay Me Rick" Robinson again, 12 mil.. so that's why they don't want to retain him.. not to mention he wasn't so hot this past year

He expressed some sort of desire to stick around Houston after the season, but that's likely because he won't get baller money elsewhere.. not saying he'd be a bad sign, but I don't see it happening

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[quote=The Goat;664291]Does Clark play more FS or SS? At any rate he'd be the best safety on the roster immediately and if he plays FS we get an enormous upgrade over Landry.

[B]Outside of that position I don't see a lot of FA potential[/B].[/quote]

You bring up a good point that I think about whenever I hear people say that we should be fine building the offensive line from FAs and low round picks...there aren't any marquee UFAs out there! Aside from trading picks for a Marcus McNeill (who is a Restricted FA), you basically have to hope that one of these low rounders or these older/not-so-great UFA lineman can end up being a starter.

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Kaczur would be a sweet signing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;664294]You bring up a good point that I think about whenever I hear people say that we should be fine building the offensive line from FAs and low round picks...there aren't any marquee UFAs out there! Aside from trading picks for a Marcus McNeill (who is a Restricted FA), you basically have to hope that one of these low rounders or these older/not-so-great UFA lineman can end up being a starter.[/quote]

Word. I mean the draft isn't just Okung vs. Clausen or Bradford. You have to factor into the equation who plays LT, RT, C and RG going forward if we take a QB first. And the answer...there is no answer at LT and it should be obvious. I might argue it's just as obvious at RT. Heyer will be horrid in a zone blocking scheme. He's average when the defender is right in front of him, but when Heyer has to find a target, get to him and then make the block he's almost laughable. Honestly I think we're just as bad at RT as we are at LT. I don't see how we upgrade to an NFL caliber line w/o focusing our draft board on OL talent.

[Edit] Scratch everything above, Kiper Jr has proven the Redskins must take Clausen. Thank God i'm so glad the debate is over :)

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[quote=The Goat;664300]Word. I mean the draft isn't just Okung vs. Clausen or Bradford. You have to factor into the equation who plays LT, RT, C and RG going forward if we take a QB first. And the answer...there is no answer at LT and it should be obvious. I might argue it's just as obvious at RT. Heyer will be horrid in a zone blocking scheme. He's average when the defender is right in front of him, but when Heyer has to find a target, get to him and then make the block he's almost laughable. Honestly I think we're just as bad at RT as we are at LT. I don't see how we upgrade to an NFL caliber line w/o focusing our draft board on OL talent.

[Edit] Scratch everything above, Kiper Jr has proven the Redskins must take Clausen. Thank God i'm so glad the debate is over :)[/quote]

Just started a thread about the offensive line...which will either get 20 replies and be forgotten, or somehow be turned into another QB-discussion thread.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/35269-time-to-build-an-offensive-line.html[/url]

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Good list of truly available talent. I would have liked to seen a solid UFA Center and LB that we could get at a reasonable price, but your list doesn't make that look very likely. I don't see us being competitive in bringing in any WR, mainly because there are teams with a much greater need at that position. So from your list, I would like to see the Skins make strong attempts to bring Leon Washington, Dunta Robinson, and Nick Kaczur (how old is he?) in.

If we got DR that would give us some flexibility to try and trade Carlos, and get some value for him. I think Carlos is very good, and that a change of scenery will be good for him, I just don't expect him to excel here.

And Leon Washington would be a good addition, probably releasing Betts/Cartwright and also bringing in a mid round draft RB.

Any solid Tackle ought to be looked at seriously and the Pats have had a good one for a while so Kaczur has to get a long look.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664284]This is not going to be a list of restricted free agents that you can fantasize about having the Redskins go out and sign. And hopefully, this list would not put the Skins in such a salary situation that when the new CBA and the new cap rules are put in place, the Skins have to begin to dismantle the squad. [That happened to a small extent in the mid-90s when the cap first came into being.] I looked for UFAs who might be signable for a reasonable amount of money.

I avoided putting guys in their late 30s on this list. The Redskins have to get younger - - a lot younger - - so even though guys like Kevin Mawae is unrestricted, he is 39 years old. I do not have him on this list even though at age 39 he would be the best offensive lineman on the roster the day he signed.

Here are a couple of unrestricted free agents who can play a little at positions where the Skins need some help:

[B]Offensive Line:[/B]

Justin Hartwig - - started for the Steelers on their Super Bowl winning team. Would be an upgrade at Center.

Nick Kaczur - - starter for the Pats for the last several years as a tackle. And do the Redskins ever need tackles...

Bobby Williams - - liked the way he blocked on run plays for Bengals this year; has been a starter there for several years.


[B]Wide Receiver:[/B] [The Skins have "potential" at WR but not a lot of "achievement" there.]

Kevin Walter - - good possession receiver for Texans.

Antonio Bryant - - seems to have gotten past his immaturity/meathead problems from 5-6 years ago. He can play...


[B]Running Back:[/B]

Leon Washington - - leg injury in '09 could make him a bargain signing

Chester Taylor - - very good 3rd down back and someone who can spell the #1 RB capably.

Willie Parker - - lots of injuries in the last year and a half...

Larry Johnson - - Maybe he performs like Cedric Benson with a change of scenery; maybe he continues to be a pain-in-the-ass...


[B]Defensive Backs:[/B]

Dunta Robinson - - cannot believe the Texans would let him go elsewhere but...

Ryan Clark -- He won't need a map to find Redskins Park.

Leigh Bodden - - might be too costly an acquisistion.[/quote]



No offense dude, but this is the crap that gets us in trouble with our young talent. NO WAY we need to bring in WR this year. Devin really showed some promise last year, and the way they are talking about Malcome Kelly this offseason, I am really excited about the potential he brings to the table. All the RB's you mentioned really dont seem to attractive. LJ is old, Willie isn't really very good, Leon came off big injury, Chester Taylor is getting up in years too. I'd stay with what we have before bringing in any of these guys.

Only thing I slightly agree on is maybe the tackle from NE. We need to replace both tackles, so we will mostly definately need to aquire one through FA. As far as the guards and centers, Dockery is a good guard, and I like reinhart. We can not grade the play of Dockery last season, nor anyone for that fact. The tackles,the most important, we both down to 3rd string, and hell 4th string on most teams. We fill those two positions with quality starters and Dockery will be back to his dominant run blocking self, and Reinhart will be a very productive young guy on the right side.

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[quote=#56fanatic;664347]No offense dude,[B] but this is the crap that gets us in trouble with our young talent[/B]. NO WAY we need to bring in WR this year. Devin really showed some promise last year, and the way they are talking about Malcome Kelly this offseason, I am really excited about the potential he brings to the table. All the RB's you mentioned really dont seem to attractive. LJ is old, Willie isn't really very good, Leon came off big injury, Chester Taylor is getting up in years too. I'd stay with what we have before bringing in any of these guys.

Only thing I slightly agree on is maybe the tackle from NE. We need to replace both tackles, so we will mostly definately need to aquire one through FA. As far as the guards and centers, Dockery is a good guard, and I like reinhart. We can not grade the play of Dockery last season, nor anyone for that fact. The tackles,the most important, we both down to 3rd string, and hell 4th string on most teams. We fill those two positions with quality starters and Dockery will be back to his dominant run blocking self, and Reinhart will be a very productive young guy on the right side.[/quote]

I'm not sure that we have gotten in trouble for bringing in reasonably priced productive NFL starters through free agency. This is just a list of what is really out there, so that discussions can be grounded in some real basis. That said, I agree that WR's should not be messed with. I think LW could come back and be looking to re-establish himself, if I remember right, he was outstanding with the Jets, and with rehab, he might just give us a good solution to RB, and we can wait till next year to draft a young Shanahan RB.

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Sportscurmudgeon, Just out of curiosity, why no Dansby on your list?

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I don't see WR as a huge need but I definitely like the idea of Bryant. I don't see the Jets letting Washington go. I like Chester Taylor but I'm sure the Vikes will push hard to keep him.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;664359]Sportscurmudgeon, Just out of curiosity, why no Dansby on your list?[/quote]


Simply because I don't think linebacker is anywhere near a top priority for an upgrade in this offseason. Dansby is a fine player but signing him will cost a lot - - he is out there to the highest bidder no matter what - - and I don't think that is where the Skins' emphasis needs to be just now.


That is why there are no linebackers on my list. And no tight ends either...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664395]Simply because I don't think linebacker is anywhere near a top priority for an upgrade in this offseason. Dansby is a fine player but signing him will cost a lot - - he is out there to the highest bidder no matter what - - and I don't think that is where the Skins' emphasis needs to be just now.


That is why there are no linebackers on my list. And no tight ends either...[/quote]
Ok. I guess I would have thought a solid experienced linebacker would be more in demand than us going out and getting a WR. Fletch is excellent, but he can't continue forever, and a good player there would be good for future as well as current. I would also say that I don't think one or two high cost players, ie Dansby, would put us in a bad position even if a salary cap comes back. But who knows exactly how or when that would even happen.

You know you are solid at a position when you don't even think about it, such as TE - I didn't even wonder why that wasn't included.

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[quote=#56fanatic;664347]No offense dude, but this is the crap that gets us in trouble with our young talent. NO WAY we need to bring in WR this year. Devin really showed some promise last year, and the way they are talking about Malcome Kelly this offseason, I am really excited about the potential he brings to the table. All the RB's you mentioned really dont seem to attractive. LJ is old, Willie isn't really very good, Leon came off big injury, Chester Taylor is getting up in years too. I'd stay with what we have before bringing in any of these guys.

Only thing I slightly agree on is maybe the tackle from NE. We need to replace both tackles, so we will mostly definately need to aquire one through FA. As far as the guards and centers, Dockery is a good guard, and I like reinhart. We can not grade the play of Dockery last season, nor anyone for that fact. The tackles,the most important, we both down to 3rd string, and hell 4th string on most teams. We fill those two positions with quality starters and Dockery will be back to his dominant run blocking self, and Reinhart will be a very productive young guy on the right side.[/quote]



No offense taken...

I have less devotion to "our young talent" than you do. Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly have each been here two years. Take their stats for both years and add them together. Those stats do not add up to one Pro Bowl level receiver for a single year. Like I said, lots of "potential" but no real "accomplishments". Maybe bringing in somebody to make them think they could be out of work might make them better? Can it make them worse?


The RBs on the UFA lists are not very attractive; I give you that. But with Betts coming off an injury and Portis clearly on the downside of his career - - and a pain in the ass - - finding an inexpensive UFA might not hurt. Suppose Betts can't go next year and Portis flames out after 5 games, are you satisfied with Ganther and Cartwright? That may be where the Skins are headed for 2010...


You say you like Rinehart. Fine. I think Rinehart is another example of a guy who supposedly has potential but has never done a damned thing on Sundays that anyone can point to and say "Wow!" Until I see Rinehart play effectively against starting DL from NFC East oppoenets, he is nothing more than "just a guy". If you have clips of him doing that, please post them for all to see. I have no qualms about bringing in free agent offensive guards to try to motivate the folks on the current roster to become better players. You said, "Dockery is a good guard," and I agree totally. Wouldn't it be nice if he somehow became a "very good guard"? No one else on the roster can even pretend to be a "very good guard". Wouldn't it be nice to have another candidate to earn that label?


The reason you must grade the OL from last year is simple. Those are the guys on the roster now; those are the guys that will play again next year - - unless and until new bodies show up on the roster. I would not be thrilled to see the starting OL for Game 1 in September be Heyer, M. Williams, Rabach, Dockery, L. Jones. Absent new blood, that is probably what you are looking at when they introduce "YOUR 2010 WASHINGTON REDSKINS..."

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664397]No offense taken...

I have less devotion to "our young talent" than you do. Devin Thomas and Malcom Kelly have each been here two years. Take their stats for both years and add them together. Those stats do not add up to one Pro Bowl level receiver for a single year. Like I said, lots of "potential" but no real "accomplishments". Maybe bringing in somebody to make them think they could be out of work might make them better? Can it make them worse?


The RBs on the UFA lists are not very attractive; I give you that. But with Betts coming off an injury and Portis clearly on the downside of his career - - and a pain in the ass - - finding an inexpensive UFA might not hurt. Suppose Betts can't go next year and Portis flames out after 5 games, are you satisfied with Ganther and Cartwright? That may be where the Skins are headed for 2010...


You say you like Rinehart. Fine. I think Rinehart is another example of a guy who supposedly has potential but has never done a damned thing on Sundays that anyone can point to and say "Wow!" Until I see Rinehart play effectively against starting DL from NFC East oppoenets, he is nothing more than "just a guy". If you have clips of him doing that, please post them for all to see. I have no qualms about bringing in free agent offensive guards to try to motivate the folks on the current roster to become better players. You said, "Dockery is a good guard," and I agree totally. Wouldn't it be nice if he somehow became a "very good guard"? No one else on the roster can even pretend to be a "very good guard". Wouldn't it be nice to have another candidate to earn that label?


The reason you must grade the OL from last year is simple. Those are the guys on the roster now; those are the guys that will play again next year - - unless and until new bodies show up on the roster. I would not be thrilled to see [B]the starting OL for Game 1 in September be Heyer, M. Williams, Rabach, Dockery, L. Jones. Absent new blood, that is probably what you are looking at when they introduce "YOUR 2010 WASHINGTON REDSKINS[/B]..."[/quote]
:eek: The horror.....the horror... I don't care who we have in the backfield, that line ain't gonna cut it.

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Is Demeco Ryans still doing well? What would it take to get him?

I don't think that ILB is a huge priority, just curious.

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You can cross justin hartwig off that list because the steelers re signed him a year or so ago.

And you can't give out as many franchise tags as you want, Ruhskins. You can only use one franchise, but I don't think you can use a franchise and transition tag in the same offseason.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;664602]You can cross justin hartwig off that list because the steelers re signed him a year or so ago.

And you can't give out as many franchise tags as you want, Ruhskins. You can only use one franchise, but I don't think you can use a franchise and transition tag in the same offseason.[/quote]Just in this offseason.

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You didn't mention Rex Grossman...but I think maybe you should. Not that he would help necessarily, but he might be here (strictly as a Todd Collins)

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[quote=SmootSmack;664649]You didn't mention Rex Grossman...but I think maybe you should. Not that he would help necessarily, but he might be here (strictly as a Todd Collins)[/quote]

Mea culpa! I did not mention Rex Gosssman.:spank:

I also did not mention Ryan Leaf - - who is an unrestricted free agent so long as he is not in jail on his pending charges. :pffff:

I also did not mention Jeff George - - who is an unrestricted free agent who can bring veteran presence and perspective to the team as a mentor for Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan, Todd Collins and whomever the Skins might draft in April 2010 at a QB. Those folks need to know the Jeff George philosophy:
[INDENT]Leadership is overrated. :Flush: [/INDENT]

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Yeah well Rex Grossman is actually a legit possibility to come here

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I think there are some solid lineman in fa that we can target, I would love dunta Robinson with Deangelo hall! Talk about a pretty good corner duo.. Rogers is probably done here especialy since he really wants to leave anyway

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[quote=skinsfaninok;664692]I think there are some solid lineman in fa that we can target, I would love dunta Robinson with Deangelo hall! Talk about a pretty good corner duo.. Rogers is probably done here especialy since he really wants to leave anyway[/quote]

I can't find a lot of unrestricted free agent linemen the Skins can target. And they don't have a whole lot of draft choices to surrender to go and sign restricted free agents...

My list of OL candidates at the top of this thread is hardly an exhaustive list. These are the guys I saw who I thought might be contributors here next year. I saw no "stars" on the list except for a few linemen in the mid to upper 30s who have had long and successful careers. I don't think that is what the Skins should be looking for.

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[quote=SmootSmack;664680]Yeah well Rex Grossman is actually a legit possibility to come here[/quote]


Grossman could wind up with the Redskins. If he comes here as a replacement for Todd Collins, I won't get too excited about that until and unless Jason Campbell gets hurt - - or the QB that the Skins take at #4 in the draft gets hurt.

If Grossman is here as the starter from the git-go, I think that would be a mistake. He is a journeyman; he's a decent fill-in kind of guy; he is not now nor will he ever be an elite NFL QB.

You know who Rex Grossman reminds me of? Patrick Ramsey.

Would I want Ramsey here as a starter? About as much as I would want a root canal.

Would I mind Ramsey here as a 3rd QB behind Campbell and a young draftee? Not any more or any less than I would mind Rex Grossman in the same role.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664696]I can't find a lot of unrestricted free agent linemen the Skins can target. And they don't have a whole lot of draft choices to surrender to go and sign restricted free agents...

My list of OL candidates at the top of this thread is hardly an exhaustive list. These are the guys I saw who I thought might be contributors here next year. I saw no "stars" on the list except for a few linemen in the mid to upper 30s who have had long and successful careers. I don't think that is what the Skins should be looking for.[/quote]

I could see us bringing in an older lineman or two, along with whatever rookies we bring in. While I believe that we can and should have a competitive team next year, it will take a few years to get an appropriate mixture of talented 26-30 yo linemen, and youth. With our OL roster so out of whack(having 1 maybe 2 "real" NFL talent), bringing in older, experienced stable players for 1 or at most 2 years, will allow us to shift the roster back into a proper core group.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;664655]Mea culpa! I did not mention Rex Gosssman.:spank:

I also did not mention Ryan Leaf - - who is an unrestricted free agent so long as he is not in jail on his pending charges. :pffff:

I also did not mention Jeff George - - who is an unrestricted free agent who can bring veteran presence and perspective to the team as a mentor for Jason Campbell, Colt Brennan, Todd Collins and whomever the Skins might draft in April 2010 at a QB. Those folks need to know the Jeff George philosophy:
[INDENT]Leadership is overrated. :Flush: [/INDENT][/quote]

You also didn't mention Babe Laufenberg! I think the Babe might have something left in the tank.

There are several big questions in my mind about Free Agency and the Redskins in 2010.

First, are Shanny and Bruce really serious about that "Future is Now" stuff Bruce put out or not? If they are, then I wonder if they are willing to stick their necks out enough to try to sign Dansby and a top OL in FA. When I say a top OL, I mean a top OL who is a restricted FA and who will cost big bucks and a draft pick. I'm thinking Marcus McNeil to play LT or Logan Mankins to play RG.

Second, are the Skins going to bring in some OL's, as FA's, who are familiar with Shanny's system who the coaches know and trust? I'm thinking of players like G/C Ben Hamilton (Denver), OT Tony Pashos (SF), or OG Chester Pitts (Texans). These type of players might be able to help us in the short term.

Thirdly, are the Skins going to try to put square pegs (4-3 players) in round holes (3-4 positions) in the new defense or are they going to bring in some round pegs via FA? Dansby would be the first round peg. I feel that we really need another ILB to play beside London Fletcher if we're going to convert to a 3-4. As for the DL in a 3-4, I just don't feel comfortable with the personnel we have other than AH. Hopefully, we'll try to sign either Dwan Edwards or Justin Bannan from the Ravens to help at either DE or NT.

Leon washington would be an excellent pickup as a third down back and KR, as long as the Skins are willing to wait for him to fully recover from his broken leg.

Also, I hope we re-sign Hunter Smith.

That's about all I've got on Free Agents.

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I'll say it again. There are positions that are in major need of upgrade some just need 1 or 2 pieces and then theres positions that can wait for next yr. We can't pick up everything in one year and expect SB quality. I don't care what the team calls it I'm in "Rebuild" mode thought process. This way I don't get my hopes up too high and as long as the team grows and gets better then 4-12 I'll be happy.

[B][I]Positions of need Offensively:[/I][/B]
[B]OL[/B]- Take any decent talent in FA that can help out for a year or two plus draft as many as we can. Then look at all UFA's in summer camp.

[B]QB[/B]- I "like" JC but I don't see a Franchise QB in him. I don't care about the stats. Yes he's safe with the ball. I'm talking the whole package. He won't be a Manning, Favre, or Breese. Too many complaints as to why he won't to list and has been talked about at nauseum so .... Draft a Franchise QB.

[B]RB[/B]- Portis, Betts, and Rock are almost 30. Way too old, we need to get younger. If Portis is cleared and committed get rid of Betts and Rock. Keep Ganther, Mason, and Alridge. Pick up a mid to late round draft pick. If CP is not cleared cut him and his big contract as well as Rock and keep Betts. Keep the others and still draft a RB.

[B]WR[/B]- As much as I want to wait and see the young guys step up I have to ask.... how long do we wait? The Giants and Eagles started Rookie WR's the past 2 yrs and got production. We got limited production out of our 2 Rookies even though Thomas did step up more last yr and I'd love to see more of Mitchell. Moss is not producing like he did roughly 5 yrs ago when we brought him in. ARE has not lived up to his contract yet. I'd think about keeping Moss, cutting ARE and bringing in Walter, Bryant, or dare I say it T.O. only cause we won't have to give up a draft pick to get them.

[B]TE[/B]- Set.

[B][I]Positions of need Defensively:[/I][/B]
[B]CB[/B]- If Rogers is gone (hopefully) then look for a FA replacement. Keep the young guys; Westbrook, Horton, Barnes as Nickles unless they show something and rotate them in the line up.

[B]FS[/B]- Hopefully FA. If not draft someone.

[B]SS[/B]- Set. Doughty, Laundry and whoever else was there last yr.

[B]LB[/B]- Look for a decent 3-4 style FA. Then draft a late round or UFA.

[B]DE[/B]- Set. Orakpo, Jarmin, Carter and using AH as DE occassionally will disrupt.

[B]DT/NT[/B]- I'd tell AH he's our NT/DE. Move him around to cause mismatches. So I guess I'd pick up a NT if available in FA. Otherwise look at the draft for any big DT's.

I'm sure my plan has holes all in it and some of the positions could probably wait until next yr for upgrading like RB (if everyone comes back healthy), WR, and CB (if we keep Rogers).

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[quote=SBXVII;664769]I'll say it again. There are positions that are in major need of upgrade some just need 1 or 2 pieces and then theres positions that can wait for next yr. We can't pick up everything in one year and expect SB quality. I don't care what the team calls it I'm in "Rebuild" mode thought process. This way I don't get my hopes up too high and as long as the team grows and gets better then 4-12 I'll be happy.

[B][I]Positions of need Offensively:[/I][/B]
[B]OL[/B]- Take any decent talent in FA that can help out for a year or two plus draft as many as we can. Then look at all UFA's in summer camp.

[B]QB[/B]- I "like" JC but I don't see a Franchise QB in him. I don't care about the stats. Yes he's safe with the ball. I'm talking the whole package. He won't be a Manning, Favre, or Breese. Too many complaints as to why he won't to list and has been talked about at nauseum so .... Draft a Franchise QB.

[B]RB[/B]- Portis, Betts, and Rock are almost 30. Way too old, we need to get younger. If Portis is cleared and committed get rid of Betts and Rock. Keep Ganther, Mason, and Alridge. Pick up a mid to late round draft pick. If CP is not cleared cut him and his big contract as well as Rock and keep Betts. Keep the others and still draft a RB.

[B]WR[/B]- As much as I want to wait and see the young guys step up I have to ask.... how long do we wait? The Giants and Eagles started Rookie WR's the past 2 yrs and got production. We got limited production out of our 2 Rookies even though Thomas did step up more last yr and I'd love to see more of Mitchell. Moss is not producing like he did roughly 5 yrs ago when we brought him in. ARE has not lived up to his contract yet. I'd think about keeping Moss, cutting ARE and bringing in Walter, Bryant, or dare I say it T.O. only cause we won't have to give up a draft pick to get them.

[B]TE[/B]- Set.

[B][I]Positions of need Defensively:[/I][/B]
[B]CB[/B]- If Rogers is gone (hopefully) then look for a FA replacement. Keep the young guys; Westbrook, Horton, Barnes as Nickles unless they show something and rotate them in the line up.

[B]FS[/B]- Hopefully FA. If not draft someone.

[B]SS[/B]- Set. Doughty, Laundry and whoever else was there last yr.

[B]LB[/B]- Look for a decent 3-4 style FA. Then draft a late round or UFA.

[B]DE[/B]- Set. Orakpo, Jarmin, Carter and using AH as DE occassionally will disrupt.

[B]DT/NT[/B]- I'd tell AH he's our NT/DE. Move him around to cause mismatches. So I guess I'd pick up a NT if available in FA. Otherwise look at the draft for any big DT's.

I'm sure my plan has holes all in it and some of the positions could probably wait until next yr for upgrading like RB (if everyone comes back healthy), WR, and CB (if we keep Rogers).[/quote]




Excellent rational analysis. I would only suggest that bringing Terrell Owens here is a humongous gamble - - particularly if some of the other divas and "teacher's pets" on this team do not undergo a major attitude adjustment.

Owens is still very productive on the field; I will not dispute that. I just do not think that he is a "presence" that the Skins need in the midst of a complete team restructuring.

Although I must admit that if T.O. and Clinton Portis got into a verbal war on the John Thompson Show for a few weeks, it would be highly entertaining radio...

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TO is going to be hitting 37 next season, I'm just not sure how much gas is left in his tank. I've got no problem with possibly adding a veteran WR, I just think we could do much better than TO and also avoid the drama he brings.

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[quote=Mattyk;664788]TO is going to be hitting 37 next season, I'm just not sure how much gas is left in his tank. I've got no problem with possibly adding a veteran WR, I just think we could do much better than TO and also avoid the drama he brings.[/quote]

Brandon Stokely.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;664737]You also didn't mention Babe Laufenberg! I think the Babe might have something left in the tank.

There are several big questions in my mind about Free Agency and the Redskins in 2010.

First, are Shanny and Bruce really serious about that "Future is Now" stuff Bruce put out or not? If they are, then I wonder if they are willing to stick their necks out enough to try to sign Dansby and a top OL in FA. When I say a top OL, I mean a top OL who is a restricted FA and who will cost big bucks and a draft pick. I'm thinking Marcus McNeil to play LT or Logan Mankins to play RG.

Second, are the Skins going to bring in some OL's, as FA's, who are familiar with Shanny's system who the coaches know and trust? I'm thinking of players like G/C Ben Hamilton (Denver), OT Tony Pashos (SF), or OG Chester Pitts (Texans). These type of players might be able to help us in the short term.

Thirdly, are the Skins going to try to put square pegs (4-3 players) in round holes (3-4 positions) in the new defense or are they going to bring in some round pegs via FA? Dansby would be the first round peg. I feel that we really need another ILB to play beside London Fletcher if we're going to convert to a 3-4. As for the DL in a 3-4, I just don't feel comfortable with the personnel we have other than AH. Hopefully, we'll try to sign either Dwan Edwards or Justin Bannan from the Ravens to help at either DE or NT.

Leon washington would be an excellent pickup as a third down back and KR, as long as the Skins are willing to wait for him to fully recover from his broken leg.

[B]Also, I hope we re-sign Hunter Smith.[/B]

That's about all I've got on Free Agents.[/quote]

I hope that resigning Hunter the Punter is a top priority.

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I could see us signing WR Kevin Walter if he's an UFA, ( Most sites I've searched say he is), he's 6'3", 27-28 years old, worked with K. Shanahan in Houston and plays well in the redzone.

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[quote=SBXVII;664769]I'll say it again. There are positions that are in major need of upgrade some just need 1 or 2 pieces and then theres positions that can wait for next yr. We can't pick up everything in one year and expect SB quality. I don't care what the team calls it I'm in "Rebuild" mode thought process. This way I don't get my hopes up too high and as long as the team grows and gets better then 4-12 I'll be happy.

[B][I]Positions of need Offensively:[/I][/B]
[B]OL[/B]- Take any decent talent in FA that can help out for a year or two plus draft as many as we can. Then look at all UFA's in summer camp.

[B]QB[/B]- I "like" JC but I don't see a Franchise QB in him. I don't care about the stats. Yes he's safe with the ball. I'm talking the whole package. He won't be a Manning, Favre, or Breese. Too many complaints as to why he won't to list and has been talked about at nauseum so .... Draft a Franchise QB.

[B]RB[/B]- Portis, Betts, and Rock are almost 30. Way too old, we need to get younger. If Portis is cleared and committed get rid of Betts and Rock. Keep Ganther, Mason, and Alridge. Pick up a mid to late round draft pick. If CP is not cleared cut him and his big contract as well as Rock and keep Betts. Keep the others and still draft a RB.

[B]WR[/B]- As much as I want to wait and see the young guys step up I have to ask.... how long do we wait? The Giants and Eagles started Rookie WR's the past 2 yrs and got production. We got limited production out of our 2 Rookies even though Thomas did step up more last yr and I'd love to see more of Mitchell. Moss is not producing like he did roughly 5 yrs ago when we brought him in. ARE has not lived up to his contract yet. I'd think about keeping Moss, cutting ARE and bringing in Walter, Bryant, or dare I say it T.O. only cause we won't have to give up a draft pick to get them.

[B]TE[/B]- Set.

[B][I]Positions of need Defensively:[/I][/B]
[B]CB[/B]- If Rogers is gone (hopefully) then look for a FA replacement. Keep the young guys; Westbrook, Horton, Barnes as Nickles unless they show something and rotate them in the line up.

[B]FS[/B]- Hopefully FA. If not draft someone.

[B]SS[/B]- Set. Doughty, Laundry and whoever else was there last yr.

[B]LB[/B]- Look for a decent 3-4 style FA. Then draft a late round or UFA.

[B]DE[/B]- Set. Orakpo, Jarmin, Carter and using AH as DE occassionally will disrupt.

[B]DT/NT[/B]- I'd tell AH he's our NT/DE. Move him around to cause mismatches. So I guess I'd pick up a NT if available in FA. Otherwise look at the draft for any big DT's.

I'm sure my plan has holes all in it and some of the positions could probably wait until next yr for upgrading like RB (if everyone comes back healthy), WR, and CB (if we keep Rogers).[/quote]

Since this thread is about Free Agency, I have some questions and some comments about what you wrote from the perspective of Free Agency.

[B]OL[/B] - I couldn't agree with you more about the OL. We need to leave no stone unturned to improve the OL. In the short term, at least, that's going to require signing some more FA's.

[B]QB [/B]- I also agree with you about JC. From my observations, there just isn't an OL worthy of the #4 pick, whereas I think that either Clausen or Bradford, or even both, could possibly be that elusive Franchise QB. So, I'd like to see the Skins take one of them with the #4 pick. But that leaves the matter of what to do with JC. If the Skins tender him at a 1st and a 3rd level, will they trade him or pay him to start one more season? I'd hate to miss out on the opportunity to get something for him.

[B]RB[/B] - I think we can go with Portis or Betts on 1st and 2nd downs. I see Rock as a "glue" guy and a valuable ST player. But we stiil need a 3rd down back and I think we should take a long look at Leon Washington, who is also a good return guy.

[B]WR[/B] - Like you, I'm not sold on the young WR's. But, T.O.? If you're going to bring in a head case, then trade for Brandon Marshall and extend his contract. He's a true #1 WR now and he's a good fit. As for the FA's, I have no problem with bringing one (or more) in to compete. I feel very confident about the WR decisions going forward because Shanny always had productive WR's and because I have all the respect in the world for Keenan McCardell as our WR's Coach.

[B]CB[/B] - I think Carlos will be better in a different scheme where he doesn't play so far off the ball. I'm not very worried about this position.

[B]FS[/B] - I agree with you.

[B]SS[/B] - I'd try to trade Landry.

BTW, it seems to you're thinking 4-3/3-4 hybrid on defense. I'm not thinking that way going forward - I'm thinking strictly 3-4 in terms of any player acqusitions. So, I feel that we need to look at FA's at ILB, OLB, NT, and DE.

I don't think Big Al is going to like the lack of a spotlight on him as a NT. He'll probably need to be a DE. So we'll need a NT. We should look to trade Carter who should have good value as a 4-3 DE but is not likely to fit well in a 3-4 defense as an OLB (based on his experience at the position in SF).

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[quote=SBXVII;664769]I'll say it again. There are positions that are in major need of upgrade some just need 1 or 2 pieces and then theres positions that can wait for next yr. [B]We can't pick up everything in one year and expect SB quality. I don't care what the team calls it I'm in "Rebuild" mode thought process.[/B] This way I don't get my hopes up too high and as long as the team grows and gets better then 4-12 I'll be happy.

[B][I]Positions of need Offensively:[/I][/B]
[B]OL[/B]- Take [B]any decent talent in FA[/B] that can help out for a year or two plus draft as many as we can. Then look at all UFA's in summer camp.

[B]QB[/B]- I "like" JC but I don't see a Franchise QB in him. I don't care about the stats. Yes he's safe with the ball. I'm talking the whole package. He won't be a Manning, Favre, or Breese. Too many complaints as to why he won't to list and has been talked about at nauseum so .... Draft a Franchise QB.[/quote]

I think you are contradicting yourself a bit here. I do agree with you that we are in a rebuilding mode. But I think by picking up any decent talent at OL (which really there isn't much), you are basically keep pushing of an area of need we've been having for the past two maybe three years. If the team is in true rebuilding mode, then we need to pick up a young starting Tackle. While I do agree that we need a QB, I think given our current roster, we are in dire need of tackle.

[quote=KI Skins Fan;664847][B]OL[/B] - I couldn't agree with you more about the OL. [B]We need to leave no stone unturned to improve the OL[/B]. In the short term, at least, that's going to require signing some more FA's.

[B]QB [/B]- I also agree with you about JC. From my observations, [B]there just isn't an OL worthy of the #4 pick[/B], whereas I think that either Clausen or Bradford, or even both, could possibly be that elusive Franchise QB. So, I'd like to see the Skins take one of them with the #4 pick. But that leaves the matter of what to do with JC. [B]If the Skins tender him at a 1st and a 3rd level, will they trade him or pay him to start one more season? I'd hate to miss out on the opportunity to get something for him.[/B]
[/quote]

I think the best case scenario for people like you and me will be that we can get good compensation for Campbell. Otherwise, I don't think you are going to find much talent in FA for the offensive line. And I have to disagree with you on the tackles, there are at least two tackles worth picking up at #4, and one (Okung) could start right away from day one. Can't say the same thing about Bradford or Clausen.

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[quote=Ruhskins;664859]Otherwise, I don't think you are going to find much talent in FA for the offensive line. And I have to disagree with you on the tackles, there are at least two tackles worth picking up at #4, and one (Okung) could start right away from day one. [B]Can't say the same thing about Bradford or Clausen[/B].[/quote]Why not? Is the goal to be around .500 in 2010 or to be set-up for SB contention year in/year out for 2011 & beyond. We also have Campbell this year, unless another team gives us a trade that nets us at least a second rounder (to be used on OL). A rookie QB wouldn't need to start game 1 if Campbell is here.

Here's a question for the anti-QB crowd. If Okung (or whoever is picked at LT) turns out to be as good as Chris Samuels, I think we're all happy campers. However, how many Divisional playoff games & Conference championship games have we played in with Chris Samuels at LT?

How many Divisional playoff games & Conference championships has NY been to with Eli, the Chargers with Rivers, Colts with Peyton, Eagles w/McNabb, Steelers w/Big Ben? Obviously there are several other factors to consider, but while the LT is very important it's not near the level of importance of an elite QB. If your team picks at #4 and a player the front office has rated as an elite QB prospect is there, you take the guy faster than the Orakpo pick in 2009. Period, end of story.

We have a 2nd round pick, there are UFAs out there, there will be a draft in 2011. Rome wasn't built in a day, you don't go from being 4-12 to being 12-4 on a consistent basis in a single off-season.