Cheney suffers 5th heart attack
 

[url=http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/cheney-suffered-mild-heart-attack/]Cheney Sustained Mild Heart Attack - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com[/url]

Mild, should be out of the hospital in a few days

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Hope he has a smooth recovery. He's been battling and surviving heart issues for a few decades.

Just wondering, didn't notice, did we also have a heart thread for Bill Clinton last week?

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I don't recall one.

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I heard on the radio he had his first one at age 37 or maybe 38 and I think he is now like 68. I'm sure some on the left are hoping he never makes it home.

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[quote=firstdown;665484]I heard on the radio he had his first one at age 37 or maybe 38 and I think he is now like 68. [B]I'm sure some on the left are hoping he never makes it home[/B].[/quote]
i hate his policies, and what he stands for, but never wish ill will on anyone. hopefully a speedy recovery

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[quote=dmek25;665523]i hate his policies, and what he stands for, but never wish ill will on anyone. hopefully a speedy recovery[/quote]
Exactly; unlike the neo-CONS that were lol'ing at the death of Murtha, speaking of being condescending...

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[quote=dmek25;665523]i hate his policies, and what he stands for, but never wish ill will on anyone. hopefully a speedy recovery[/quote]

Plenty of people out there that I personally would wish dead but I doubt Cheney is close to being one of them.

In honor of Dick Cheney
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[quote=tryfuhl;665559]Exactly; unlike the neo-CONS that were lol'ing at the death of Murtha, speaking of being condescending...[/quote]

Where was that?

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To wish ill on him would be Cheney-esque so I will wish him a speedy recovery.

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[quote=Buster;665723]Where was that?[/quote]
[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/35170-john-murtha-dead.html[/url]

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[quote=tryfuhl;665775][URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/35170-john-murtha-dead.html[/URL][/quote]

What I see there is a LOT of restraint. Like it or not, he was a traitor to the military and country. If your brother was one of the falsely-accused Marines he nearly ruined with his lies, I bet you'd have a tough time praising him.

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Only the good die young.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;665820]Only the good die young.[/quote]

You're just serving up a 3-0 fastball down the middle aren't you?

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[quote=SmootSmack;665823]You're just serving up a 3-0 fastball down the middle aren't you?[/quote]

Sorry, I don't follow baseball? I'm just saying.

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I'm calling my shot over left center.

Cheney is bound to live forever.

See ya.

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[quote=Buster;665808]What I see there is a LOT of restraint. Like it or not, he was a traitor to the military and country. If your brother was one of the falsely-accused Marines he nearly ruined with his lies, I bet you'd have a tough time praising him.[/quote]

Trust me, Cheney and crew ruined way more military lives and families than Murtha could ever have the chance of doing.

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Luck of the Devil

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[quote=SmootSmack;665823]You're just serving up a 3-0 fastball down the middle aren't you?[/quote]

LOL....You spotted that too?

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[quote=tryfuhl;665840]Trust me, Cheney and crew ruined way more military lives and families than Murtha could ever have the chance of doing.[/quote]

I disagree. He had their backs and respect, unlike Murtha.

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Of course he did, he was making a boatload of $$ off of them.

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[quote=Buster;666146]I disagree. He had their backs and respect, unlike Murtha.[/quote]

I'm not sure how sending people to die in a war for oil is having "their backs."

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[quote=dmek25;665523]i hate his policies, and what he stands for, but never wish ill will on anyone. hopefully a speedy recovery[/quote]

He was president for eight years without ever taking the oath. I hope his health will serve him well in his recovery.

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[quote=Mattyk;666153]Of course he did, he was making a boatload of $$ off of them.[/quote]
Please explain how he made money off the war.

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[quote=Lotus;666169]I'm not sure how sending people to die in a war for oil is having "their backs."[/quote]
That quote from the liberal hand book is about a dumb as dumb gets.

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[QUOTE="firstdown"]
Please explain how he made money off the war.[/QUOTE]

You really need to have that spelled out??

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[quote=Mattyk;666188]You really need to have that spelled out??[/quote]
Yes.

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Wow what a shocking turn this thread has taken <end sarcasm>

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[quote=firstdown;666180]That quote from the liberal hand book is about a dumb as dumb gets.[/quote]

Any US involvement in the Middle East, from Israel to Iraq has a lot to do with oil. I don't think this is a right or left thing, is just reality.

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[quote=firstdown;666179]Please explain how he made money off the war.[/quote]

How about the fact that we had a detailed plan for seizing Iraqi oil assets before the war and began executing that plan immediately, yet we never had a coherent plan for creating a new Iraqi government? How about the fact that Iraq's oil assets are still being overseen by Halliburton, Cheney's company? How about the fact that Cheney and Bush are both investors in military companies like Bechtel, so with every shell fired, they potentially get a stock dividend? And all of this is just the beginning.

Or let me put it this way: McDonald's is the world's largest purchaser of potatoes. If McDonald's invaded Idaho, and said that the invasion was about freedom, not potatoes, would you believe them?

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[url=http://www.factcheck.org/kerry_ad_falsely_accuses_cheney_on_halliburton.html]FactCheck.org: Kerry Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton[/url]

Of course there are ties from both parties to multiple corporations...none of this has anything to do with Cheney getting a heart attack

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[quote=Lotus;666236]How about the fact that we had a detailed plan for seizing Iraqi oil assets before the war and began executing that plan immediately, yet we never had a coherent plan for creating a new Iraqi government? How about the fact that Iraq's oil assets are still being overseen by Halliburton, Cheney's company? How about the fact that Cheney and Bush are both investors in military companies like Bechtel, so with every shell fired, they potentially get a stock dividend? And all of this is just the beginning.

Or let me put it this way: McDonald's is the world's largest purchaser of potatoes. If McDonald's invaded Idaho, and said that the invasion was about freedom, not potatoes, would you believe them?[/quote]

Sorry but I'm sure neither Bush nor Cheney owned stock in Betchtel but that good to throw out there. Also Haliburton does not have control over Iraq's oil and it seems Iraq is doing just fine selling their oil [url=http://www.iraqdirectory.com/DisplayNews.aspx?id=10761]Iraq signs new overseas oil deal[/url]. You may want to check where you get your info from.

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[quote=firstdown;666244]Sorry but I'm sure neither Bush nor Cheney owned stock in Betchtel but that good to throw out there. Also Haliburton does not have control over Iraq's oil and it seems Iraq is doing just fine selling their oil [url=http://www.iraqdirectory.com/DisplayNews.aspx?id=10761]Iraq signs new overseas oil deal[/url]. You may want to check where you get your info from.[/quote]

Bush and Cheney were both listed as stockholders of Bechtel at the start of the war. In fact, they were listed as major stakeholders on the front page of Bechtel's Web site (which has since conveniently been changed).

You are also neglecting the fact that Halliburton has been doing the servicing of Iraq's oil infrastructure. I didn't say owning oil, I said making money from it.

Riddle me this: both Saddam's sabotage and the invasion destroyed much of Iraq's oil infrastructure at the start of the war. Who was it who helped them to rebuild the infrastructure? Halliburton.

Since you have questioned my facts, then let me add this: how about the well-documented reality that the Halliburton subsidiary of Kellogg, Brown, and Root has been found not just charging, but overcharging, the US military for the supplies which it has provided?

I can understand how supporters of the Iraq war, which is the greatest foreign relations blunder in American history, would want to be in denial of its reality. But facts are facts.

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Why should people on the left want Cheney to die. No one is afraid of him. Wish him well i am glad he witnessed the election of Barack Obama. I just wish Strom and Jesse Helms were around to see it.

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[quote=Lotus;666236]How about the fact that we had a detailed plan for seizing Iraqi oil assets before the war and began executing that plan immediately, yet we never had a coherent plan for creating a new Iraqi government? [/quote]I've tried to tone down and stay out of the politics for a while but can't let this one go.

We had a detailed plan to seize Iraqi oil fields so Saddam wouldn't be able to destroy Iraq's primary asset to be used in rebuilding the country. The Bush Admin made it a point not to take any oil $$$ from Iraq. Instead we pumped Billions into Iraq to rebuild it.

[quote]How about the fact that Iraq's oil assets are still being overseen by Halliburton, Cheney's company? How about the fact that Cheney and Bush are both investors in military companies like Bechtel, so with every shell fired, they potentially get a stock dividend? And all of this is just the beginning.[/quote]Dude, you need to stay off the left-wing blogs. Your conspiracy theories are out there and factually incorrect. Iraq's oil assests are being handled by the Iraqi government. The Asia Times is certainly no friend of Cheney and Co.

[URL="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL16Ak02.html"]Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs[/URL]

From the link:
[B]Win-win for Russia and China[/B]
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

Please show one shred of FACTUAL evidence that Cheney or Bush was invested in ANY military-type or oil producing company while in Executive Office.

And certainly the righteous Obama Admin would never steer a contract to one of their donors (cronies)

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/25/m-anthrax-vaccine-contract-goes-firm-close-dem-party-ties/?test=latestnews"]FOXNews.com - $150M Anthrax Vaccine Contract Goes to Firm With Close Dem Party Ties[/URL]

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[quote=Buster;666146]I disagree. He had their backs and respect, unlike Murtha.[/quote]
Thousands of them are laying on their backs in the ground if that's what you mean.

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[quote=Mattyk;666153]Of course he did, he was making a boatload of $$ off of them.[/quote]
and this

most military aren't exactly foreign policy experts or even followers, they do as told as they're trained to do

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Doesn't matter if it was for oil or not, we were there for the wrong reasons.

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[quote=Lotus;666269]Bush and Cheney were both listed as stockholders of Bechtel at the start of the war. In fact, they were listed as major stakeholders on the front page of Bechtel's Web site (which has since conveniently been changed).

You are also neglecting the fact that Halliburton has been doing the servicing of Iraq's oil infrastructure. I didn't say owning oil, I said making money from it.

Riddle me this: both Saddam's sabotage and the invasion destroyed much of Iraq's oil infrastructure at the start of the war. Who was it who helped them to rebuild the infrastructure? Halliburton.

Since you have questioned my facts, then let me add this: how about the well-documented reality that the Halliburton subsidiary of Kellogg, Brown, and Root has been found not just charging, but overcharging, the US military for the supplies which it has provided?

I can understand how supporters of the Iraq war, which is the greatest foreign relations blunder in American history, would want to be in denial of its reality. But facts are facts.[/quote]
So what your saying about Bechtel has now been erased and there is no evidence that Bush and Cheney owned those stocks. I believe there is something stating that they have to disclose their investment and ties to corporations before taking office. So there should be plenty of evidence to back that up. I do know that they disclose their tax returns which would have that info. Yes Haliburton and some of those companies did over charge for some services but I also remember them paying them back. No one will know if it was intentional or just an error. I guess Cheney made a profit of that also.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;666275]I've tried to tone down and stay out of the politics for a while but can't let this one go.

We had a detailed plan to seize Iraqi oil fields so Saddam wouldn't be able to destroy Iraq's primary asset to be used in rebuilding the country. The Bush Admin made it a point not to take any oil $$$ from Iraq. Instead we pumped Billions into Iraq to rebuild it.

Dude, you need to stay off the left-wing blogs. Your conspiracy theories are out there and factually incorrect. Iraq's oil assests are being handled by the Iraqi government. The Asia Times is certainly no friend of Cheney and Co.

[URL="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL16Ak02.html"]Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs[/URL]

From the link:
[B]Win-win for Russia and China[/B]
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

Please show one shred of FACTUAL evidence that Cheney or Bush was invested in ANY military-type or oil producing company while in Executive Office.

And certainly the righteous Obama Admin would never steer a contract to one of their donors (cronies)

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/25/m-anthrax-vaccine-contract-goes-firm-close-dem-party-ties/?test=latestnews"]FOXNews.com - $150M Anthrax Vaccine Contract Goes to Firm With Close Dem Party Ties[/URL][/quote]

You keep pointing to oil OWNERSHIP, which I already said I was not talking about. You indicated that we pumped money into Iraq to rebuild the infrastructure. There are reams of evidence on the internet (and not just from left-wing blogs) which demonstrate that it was Halliburton leading the hands-on rebuilding. So you essentially agree with me, although you omitted the detail that Halliburton benefitted.

As for Obama cronyism, I don't doubt it for a minute. But:
1) two wrongs do not make a right. Cheney is not absolved, and
2) American troops and ordinary Iraqi citizens have not to my knowledge died because of Obama's anthrax cronyism.

Now I'm out of this argument. Back to football for me.

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