Give Colt Brennan a shot with the 1st team offense in 2010
 

I know that Colt is the darling of alot of posters on WP while others could careless about the former Hawaii standout. I fall somewhere in the middle as a guy who liked him coming out of college and feels like he has a realistic shot of being an All-Pro caliber QB (...yes, I know it's a bit of a long shot) with the right work ethic and coaching. I think we need to see him with the first team O this pre-season to see what he can do against NFL caliber competition. If he can be solid this prseason, win the starting job (not a stretch for a third year player, despite the injury) and give a solid perfomance this season...then we may not have to look outside of Ashburn for our QB for the next 10 years. What do you think?

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He will get a shot, but did this really need to be a new thread? I know the cult is underrepresented this year in the QB debate but for all intents and purposes theres going to be a QB competition. Colt will probably be the odd man out, at this point I don't think he's better then Collins.

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Well it's been stated that QB will be a competition, so if he's here, I don't see why he wouldn't get a shot.

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OH boy here we go with the Great White Colt!!!!!!! :-)

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Dirtbag, he has one thing Collins doesn't. Youth. I don't feel as if the Redskins are a team that need a savvy veteran at QB to pull them through in the starter goes down. Chances are even if the starter stays healthy for 16 games, the season ends week 17.

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Shanahan has equally low loyalty to everyone right now. So I think Colt unquestionably will get a fair shot in camp. He may parlay that into starting time in the preseason or regular season. If he's the best QB on the field, Shanahan will play him.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667029]He will get a shot, but [B]did this really need to be a new thread?[/B] I know the cult is underrepresented this year in the QB debate but for all intents and purposes theres going to be a QB competition. Colt will probably be the odd man out, at this point I don't think he's better then Collins.[/quote]

Just wanted to get everybody's views on the matter. I thought it might be an interesting conversation. Plus, even though there will eb competition, I would like to see the guy get compete with the first team offense...not the second or third like before.

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If he's here he will get a chance, but we are still beating that dead horse aren't we.


:bdh:

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both campbell and collins are better. colt will never start for the skins barring some catastrophe in which both of those two are injured in the same game. it's as simple as that.

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I'm so glad that we have as many people working with this kid at the park that post on this board, all of your insights are invaluable.

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[quote=johno;667040]both campbell and collins are better. colt will never start for the skins barring some catastrophe in which both of those two are injured in the same game. it's as simple as that.[/quote]

i doubt collins will be a redskins this coming season and campbell may or may not, so with that in mind it's possible that colt could not only be a redskin but he [B][U]could be[/U][/B] 1-the starter (prolly not but...) 2-the back up or 3- the 3rd stringer.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667029]He will get a shot, but did this really need to be a new thread? I know the cult is underrepresented this year in the QB debate but for all intents and purposes theres going to be a QB competition. Colt will probably be the odd man out, at this point I don't think he's better then Collins.[/quote]

If Collins didnt play those 5 games after JC hurt his knee, would the consensus be that Todd is better then Colt? I guess its easy to say Todd is better then Colt because of the success he had during his 5 starts with us, but Colt still hasnt had a chance to prove himself. So yeah Todd is better, but only because we seen something from him, not because Colt had a real chance and blew it

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[quote=Daseal;667033][B]Dirtbag, he has one thing Collins doesn't. [/B] Youth. I don't feel as if the Redskins are a team that need a savvy veteran at QB to pull them through in the starter goes down. Chances are even if the starter stays healthy for 16 games, the season ends week 17.[/quote]

The thing is although he's a rarity, Bret Farve has at the very least people thinking about QB's under 40, so a guy like Todd Collins that had some pretty interesting bright spots in spot duty with no where near the wear and tear of Farve will at the very least be strongly considered to stay on the roster.

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:postcop: lol

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667053]The thing is although he's a rarity, Bret Farve has at the very least people thinking about QB's under 40, so a guy like Todd Collins that had some pretty interesting bright spots in spot duty with no where near the wear and tear of Farve will at the very least be strongly considered to stay on the roster.[/quote]

besides the fact that he's old, todd seems like a horrible fit for shannys offense. i gotta believe he's a gonner.

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Collins is out. If we are talking about true competition at every position, may the best player win, there are PLENTY of players on the market, and hey, in the draft for that matter, who could do what Collins is capable of doing BETTER than Collins, with a much larger upside. Collins is gone. Why would Shanahan retain the leftover scraps of an aging backup quarterback from the Zorn and Gibbs 2 era. He'll bring in his own guys.

Hopefully.

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Oh boy, here we go again....

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Everybody knows how I feel about the Colt. He will be a part of the QB competition, and no one should work harder than him because this may be his last opportunity to make a positive impression. I could be dreaming about Colt, but it's awfully difficult for me to believe a QB that set twenty-one Collegiate records does not have something to offer. I don't care what kingd of offense he played in, his credentials are impressive.

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[quote=Longtimefan;667091]Everybody knows how I feel about the Colt. He will be a part of the QB competition, and no one should work harder than him because this may be his last opportunity to make a positive impression. I could be dreaming about Colt, but it's awfully difficult for me to believe a QB that set twenty-one Collegiate records does not have something to offer. I don't care what kingd of offense he played in, his credentials are impressive.[/quote]

This pretty much sums up how I feel. Great Post!!!

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[quote=Longtimefan;667091]Everybody knows how I feel about the Colt. He will be a part of the QB competition, and no one should work harder than him because this may be his last opportunity to make a positive impression. I could be dreaming about Colt, but it's awfully difficult for me to believe a QB that set twenty-one Collegiate records does not have something to offer. I don't care what kingd of offense he played in, his credentials are impressive.[/quote]

I agree. I think it's kind of silly to just write him off. Give him a shot with the first team in preseason. JC's not going to take all the snaps anyway. He made some mistakes last preseason but I don't think that's any reason to just dump him. Anyone who thinks Bradford or Clausen isn't going to make some mistakes is fooling themselves. I'd like to see what he can do and fully trust Shanny's decision on him.

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[quote=mlmpetert;667052]If Collins didnt play those 5 games after JC hurt his knee, would the consensus be that Todd is better then Colt? I guess its easy to say Todd is better then Colt because of the success he had during his 5 starts with us, but Colt still hasnt had a chance to prove himself. So yeah Todd is better, but only because we seen something from him, not because Colt had a real chance and blew it[/quote]


If Chase Daniel would have been 6'3" in height Brennan would have been let go. Chase showed more poise behind center during last preseason. I was dumbfounded when Brennan was the one kept on. At least Chase got a SB ring though. Not sure Brennan is going to get one anytime soon.

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[quote=Longtimefan;667091]Everybody knows how I feel about the Colt. He will be a part of the QB competition, and no one should work harder than him because this may be his last opportunity to make a positive impression. I could be dreaming about Colt, but it's awfully difficult for me to believe a QB that set twenty-one Collegiate records does not have something to offer. I don't care what kingd of offense he played in, his credentials are impressive.[/quote]


Dude he played in a douche conference. Who would you rather have as a starting QB, a guy who faced big time competition just about every week or some guy racking up stats against teams that are barely Div IA? How come he would have gone undrafted if we didn't pick him up? You know why? After all the hype about him and Hawaii going undefeated into the BCS Sugar Bowl, he got his ass kicked by Georgia. I give the guy props for his records, but his situation was like if the Gators played NAIA opponents all year

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each had a decent game and an ehh game if I recall correctly

not saying Brennan was the correct choice, but there were reasons to stick with him

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667140]Dude he played in a douche conference. Who would you rather have as a starting QB, a guy who faced big time competition just about every week or some guy racking up stats against teams that are barely Div IA? How come he would have gone undrafted if we didn't pick him up? You know why? After all the hype about him and Hawaii going undefeated into the BCS Sugar Bowl, he got his ass kicked by Georgia. I give the guy props for his records, but his situation was like if the Gators played NAIA opponents all year[/quote]
they practically do

and tebow was enough to make them your example

scary eh?

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[quote=Lotus;667036]Shanahan has equally low loyalty to everyone right now. So I think Colt unquestionably will get a fair shot in camp. He may parlay that into starting time in the preseason or regular season. If he's the best QB on the field, Shanahan will play him.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Basically, Colt has as good a shot at commanding the offense as anyone.

...IMO this is a BIG reason to get excited about Skins football this year. I'm not saying it's about Colt. It's about the new regime and a new mentality. I think it will be good for JC and everyone else btw. Some will not find success under the new management, but I truly believe everyone who does find success will play their best football.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667133]If Chase Daniel would have been 6'3" in height Brennan would have been let go. Chase showed more poise behind center during last preseason. I was dumbfounded when Brennan was the one kept on. At least Chase got a SB ring though. Not sure Brennan is going to get one anytime soon.[/quote]


And if Grandma had balls, she'd be Grandpa. Why would you be dumbfounded that Chase was let go? He looks like a jockey, not a quarterback. When he is actually playing in a game on Sunday, I will criticize the F.O. for letting him go.

I find it comical that all these people seem to think that the Redskins made some tragic error by letting Daniel go. He couldn't beat out a guy with a torn hamstring.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667140]Dude he played in a douche conference. Who would you rather have as a starting QB, a guy who faced big time competition just about every week or some guy racking up stats against teams that are barely Div IA? How come he would have gone undrafted if we didn't pick him up? You know why? After all the hype about him and Hawaii going undefeated into the BCS Sugar Bowl, he got his ass kicked by Georgia. I give the guy props for his records, but his situation was like if the Gators played NAIA opponents all year[/quote]

The game against Georgia prepared him for the shitty lines that we have had.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667169]And if Grandma had balls, she'd be Grandpa.
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thats funny.:goodjob:

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these off season threads are just painful

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[quote=GusFrerotte;667140]Dude he played in a douche conference. Who would you rather have as a starting QB, a guy who faced big time competition just about every week or some guy racking up stats against teams that are barely Div IA? How come he would have gone undrafted if we didn't pick him up? You know why? After all the hype about him and Hawaii going undefeated into the BCS Sugar Bowl, he got his ass kicked by Georgia. I give the guy props for his records, but his situation was like if the Gators played NAIA opponents all year[/quote]

All we're talking about here is that he will be given the opportunity to compete with front line payers in the preseason to see if he can make a positive impression. Regardless of your impression of the guy, you haven't seen anymore of him than the rest of us, and what I've seen thus far is not enough to form an unbiased opinion as to what he's going to eventually be. I want to see more of Colt Brennan in a truly competitive environment with the opportunity to sink or swim.

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[quote=Longtimefan;667182]All we're talking about here is that he will be given the opportunity to compete with front line payers in the preseason to see if he can make a positive impression. Regardless of your impression of the guy, you haven't seen anymore of him than the rest of us, and what I've seen thus far is not enough to form an unbiased opinion as to what he's going to eventually be. I want to see more of Colt Brennan in a truly competitive environment with the opportunity to sink or swim.[/quote]

If Brennan has the ability to be a productive quarterback, I feel much more confident with Shanahan doing the evaluation instead of Captain Slip and Slide.

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All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford

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[quote=SmootSmack;667186]All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford[/quote]


I think the main question with Bradford is his shoulder. You cannot argue his success in college and you hear over and over again that his accuracy is phenomenal, which seems to be the most important quality for Shanny's (if not all) QBs.

Bradford may be a moot point if St. Louis snatches him up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667186]All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet [B]somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford[/B][/quote]

I think his expected draft status has alot to do with that....he may go 1st overall anyways.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;667185]If Brennan has the ability to be a productive quarterback, I feel much more confident with Shanahan doing the evaluation instead of Captain Slip and Slide.[/quote]

I definitely agree with that. I'll trust whatever opinion Shanahan has of him. If after given ample opportunity and he concludes he's not worthy then I'll gladly accept that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667186]All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford[/quote]

Maybe it's because Brennan is already on the team, and didn't cost us a first round draft pick, more notably the #4 pick which has to be considered one of the building blocks of the team for years to come.

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[quote=tryfuhl;667031]Well it's been stated that QB will be a competition, so if he's here, I don't see why he wouldn't get a shot.[/quote]

the coaches will probably give him every opportunity as the starting qb

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[quote=SmootSmack;667186]All indications are Colt Brennan is a changed man from when he first joined the team. How that translates to the field we'll see. But as long as he's on the team I'll be rooting for him to play well. He definitely has shown flashes of being a solid QB, but those flashes are not as frequent as one would like.

[B]Still, it's kind of funny how one the one hand it's Colt's numbers are impressive no matter what type of offense he played in. Yet somehow that argument doesn't translate to Sam Bradford[/B][/quote]

I have no problem with Sam Bradford or how he got his numbers. I think he's a damn fine QB and would be excited to have him join our team. I just want to see Colt given a chance because I'm really curious about what he can do. He is somewhat charismatic and that could carry over in a good way. He seems fearless and confident and if he has learned not to be careless he could be very productive. Plus.... we've already got him. We don't have to spend our first pick to get him and we can can use that pick to finally address the o-line and get someone the caliber of Russell Okung. I would really like to see the guys we choose at skill positions developed and given a chance instead of constantly trying to upgrade with another draft pick at the expensive of drafting our biggest weakness. We don't seem to mind using #1's for safetys and such but we don't seem to want to "waste" a #1 on a LT when we can get someone who's an upgrade later on. It doesn't take much to upgrade the line we have. Maybe if we went after the best o-linemen we could get we could actually hit our mark of having a good solid o-line.

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[quote=53Fan;667214]I have no problem with Sam Bradford or how he got his numbers. I think he's a damn fine QB and would be excited to have him join our team. I just want to see Colt given a chance because I'm really curious about what he can do. He is somewhat charismatic and that could carry over in a good way. He seems fearless and confident and if he has learned not to be careless he could be very productive. Plus.... we've already got him. We don't have to spend our first pick to get him and we can can use that pick to finally address the o-line and get someone the caliber of Russell Okung. I would really like to see the guys we choose at skill positions developed and given a chance instead of constantly trying to upgrade with another draft pick at the expensive of drafting our biggest weakness. We don't seem to mind using #1's for safetys and such but we don't seem to want to "waste" a #1 on a LT when we can get someone who's an upgrade later on. It doesn't take much to upgrade the line we have. Maybe if we went after the best o-linemen we could get we could actually hit our mark of having a good solid o-line.[/quote]

That's a good post 53. We need a Russell Okung MORE than we need a Bradford or Clausen. We're in desperate need of a Chris Samuels clone unless there are those who think Levi Jones is the answer. I don't ever want to witness again what we saw from what was supposed to be an offensive line in 2009.

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I'll be quite surprised if Brennan gets anything beyond reps with the backups in the preseason. Especially if we draft a QB in the top 2 rounds, there's no reason to waste the time with him getting quality starter-level reps. J. Reid did an Insider post on Brennan the other day in which he said that he was very close to being released last pre-season.

As much as some people would like to think so, it's quite rare, if not impossible that a 6th round pick with questionable arm strength and mechanics, 3 years removed from consistent playing time and coming off of 2 hip surgeries could conceivably challenge for a starting QB role.

Sorry to throw mud on the thread but I can't see it.