Rogers tendered-whines about it
 

[Quote=Redskins Insider] [url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/carlos-rogers-isnt-happy-with.html]Redskins Insider - Carlos Rogers isn't happy with tender[/url]

"I hate it, man," Rogers said tonight in a phone interview. "That's all I'm going to say. I really don't want to say too much right now. But I don't like it."

As a restricted free agent, Rogers would have become unrestricted, enabling him to leave for any team, if Washington declined to tender him. But with the tender offer, the Redskins retain the right of first refusal if another team offers Rogers a contract. Placing a first-round tender on Rogers might dissuade other teams from pursuing the five-year veteran because they would owe the Redskins a first-round pick as compensation for signing him.

"They know they got me for cheap" because of the restriction, Rogers said. "Of course, they're going to use it. They're going to use what they got to keep me here cheap. If you want me there, you could show me. Tendering me is not showing me.[/quote]
Plays like a 3rd rounder, talks like a Hall of Famer. I hope someone else is stupid enough to sign him to a tender and he goes. I wish they would have tendered him at a 2nd round level so a team would have been more likely to sign him..

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This is a good thing. The inmates aren't running the asylum. There was one correct football move here and the Redskins made it.

Hopefully someone will give us a first for this underperformer.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668554]This is a good thing. The inmates aren't running the asylum. There was one correct football move here and the Redskins made it.

Hopefully someone will give us a first for this underperformer.[/quote]

I would hope we would sucker someone into a first, I'd be happy with a second (very unlikely) or a third (likely?).

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Carlos never has been the brightest bulb on the tree.

Did he somehow think the Redskins wouldn't tender him?

Maybe he expected them to bake him some cupcakes and say "why don't you do what is best for Carlos. Have a good one buddy! Best of luck!"

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668554]This is a good thing. The inmates aren't running the asylum. There was one correct football move here and the Redskins made it.

Hopefully someone will give us a first for this underperformer.[/quote]

Id see someone giving us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell before anyone would throw away a 1st for Rogers.

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[quote=WaldSkins;668558]Id see someone giving us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell before anyone would throw away a 1st for Rogers.[/quote]

Hopefully, both of those things will happen.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;668560]Hopefully, both of those things will happen.[/quote]

Joe Haden sure would look nice in B&G

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[quote=WaldSkins;668558]Id see someone giving us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell before anyone would throw away a 1st for Rogers.[/quote]

Someone get Al Davis on the phone, stat!! LOL.

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Carlos has been a "Bust" since we drafted him in the first rd! He has the worst hands of any CB in the league. I hope he leaves anyway, It's time to cut the dead weight around here!

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Carlos seems to turn on a dime, one moment he's positive, saying all the right things then something happens and he snaps.

Many of the players that are unrestricted are not happy with the situation they're in. Rocky McIntosh has vented about his tender as well. Looks like a few are not going to get off on a good foot, but maybe things will change by the time real competition starts.

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I'm with wilsowilso - did Rogers really think that he wouldn't be tendered?

It seems that he does not realize that he actually got a good deal, given the circumstances.

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I think, minus the int's, Carlos is a very good corner, but he is not the sharpest from watching Redskin Nation interviews. He is just responding from a basic instinct, and will deal with it once it is clearer to him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;668564]Carlos has been a "Bust" since we drafted him in the first rd! He has the worst hands of any CB in the league. I hope he leaves anyway, It's time to cut the dead weight around here![/quote]

To be fair to Carlos, I wouldn't say he was a bust. He is a starting quality cornerback and he may have the best pure coverage skills of the corners on our team. And if you look back at that draft, Rolle, Pac-man and Rogers were the top 3 corners. Now Rolle failed as a corner but has saved his career as a safety. So Rogers was the best pick of the three for the position that we targeted.

Now, he has definitely underperformed as a corner taken 9th overall and I am convinced that if he held on to some of the balls that hit his hands, we would have won more games since he has been here.

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[quote=Lotus;668568]I'm with wilsowilso - did Rogers really think that he wouldn't be tendered?

It seems that he does not realize that he actually got a good deal, given the circumstances.[/quote]

I have a feeling he's most upset at not being tendered at 1st & 3rd which would have afforded him a substantial raise being a five year player. He undoubtedly was looking to be tendered the same as Jason Campbell, but to think they weren't going to tender him at all and just let him walk is warped thinking. He should have known he had it coming, just a matter of what level.

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The 1st round tender is just a starting point for negotiations correct? If offered a 2nd rd pick for Los I bet the FO takes it...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668570]I think, minus the int's, Carlos is a very good corner, [B]but he is not the sharpest[/B] from watching Redskin Nation interviews. [B] He is just responding from a basic instinct, and will deal with it once it is clearer to him[/B].[/quote]

This is typical Carlos.

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[quote=The Goat;668573]The 1st round tender is just a starting point for negotiations correct? If offered a 2nd rd pick for Los I bet the FO takes it...[/quote]

A 1st is the jump off point but a deal is negotionable. If he keeps stirring the pot the FO may be willing to accept a 2nd for him. With a deep draft like this one I'd take a 2nd for him just to get rid of his mouth.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;668570]I think, minus the int's, Carlos is a very good corner, but he is not the sharpest from watching Redskin Nation interviews. He is just responding from a basic instinct, and will deal with it once it is clearer to him.[/quote]
[quote=53Fan;668575]This is typical Carlos.[/quote]

Yes, his basic instinct of dropping the ball when it counts. :laughing-

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;668579]Yes, his basic instinct of dropping the ball when it counts. :laughing-[/quote]

That's pretty good...

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People on this board are way too rough on 'los. I don't agree with what he's saying, of course the skins tendered you. That's how this business runs. You're going to get a decent contract, just play for it. Personally, I think we should extend him a reasonable contract now after a down year. Carlos plays great coverage sure, he got burned a few times. Find me a CB that doesn't. It's part of the game. His hands are bad, he drops picks. I wish he made them, but he's not a WR, if he's shutting down a receiver -- he's doing his job.

I'm curious what fan sentiment would be like on players from the 80s if they had ways to quickly contact millions of fans (Facebook, twitter, 24 hour media, etc etc). These guys are just reacting. No time to think about what they're saying. That doesn't make saying stupid things "right" -- but I understand how certain mentalities can go over the top sometimes.

Also, those of you willing to take a 2nd round pick for a young and relatively talented corner. Think long and hard about who we have on this team to replace him. Smoot as a starter? Draft a complete gamble of a player in the 2nd round? People often over-value draft picks. I'm shocked at how many people are willing to toss away a proven commodity for a 2nd round crap shoot. Let's look at our 2nd rounders over the past 10 years.
Rocky McIntosh, Taylor Jacobs, Ladell Betts, Fred Smoot. Not a terrible list, but not a great one.

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[quote=Paintrain;668551]Plays like a 3rd rounder, talks like a Hall of Famer. I hope someone else is stupid enough to sign him to a tender and he goes. I wish they would have tendered him at a 2nd round level so a team would have been more likely to sign him..[/quote]
I am not sure anyone understands why he is pissed off. He was not tendered as a high level first round draft choice from what I understand. He was given the lowest possible tender, that gives you the original draft pick that the player was drafted at. They could have done the same for Campbell, but elected to show him some respect and give him a high level tender. I may be wrong, but this is how I understand it. If this is the case, you can see why he is upset. Upset to the tune off at least a couple million dollars.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668592]I am not sure anyone understands why he is pissed off. He was not tendered as a high level first round draft choice from what I understand. He was given the lowest possible tender, that gives you the original draft pick that the player was drafted at. They could have done the same for Campbell, but elected to show him some respect and give him a high level tender. I may be wrong, but this is how I understand it. If this is the case, you can see why he is upset. Upset to the tune off at least a couple million dollars.[/quote]Excellent point, well stated.

If there's a conclusion to be drawn here, it's that Campbell could be in the teams plans past 2010, but Rogers almost certainly is not.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668592]I am not sure anyone understands why he is pissed off. He was not tendered as a high level first round draft choice from what I understand. He was given the lowest possible tender, that gives you the original draft pick that the player was drafted at. They could have done the same for Campbell, but elected to show him some respect and give him a high level tender. I may be wrong, but this is how I understand it. If this is the case, you can see why he is upset. Upset to the tune off at least a couple million dollars.[/quote]

Actually they gave Campbell the second highest tender. Campbell could have gotten tendered as a first and third however he is now tendered as just a first round pick.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668594]Actually they gave Campbell the second highest tender. Campbell could have gotten tendered as a first and third however he is now tendered as just a first round pick.[/quote]But the point is that it was a different strategy used than with Rogers. In one case, the team was willing to spend a little bit more money to show that, yes, we value your contribution to the team, now prove you deserve to play here beyond this year. In the other, it's essentially just leveraging the fact that they control Rogers' rights, making a trade more enticing to a team that only has to pay his salary for one year at $1+ million, and basically suggesting that he's gone after this year.

Saves them nearly two million in uncapped dollars, which is the positive part.

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[quote=GTripp0012;668595]But the point is that it was a different strategy used than with Rogers. In one case, the team was willing to spend a little bit more money to show that, yes, we value your contribution to the team, now prove you deserve to play here beyond this year. In the other, it's essentially just leveraging the fact that they control Rogers' rights, making a trade more enticing to a team that only has to pay his salary for one year at $1+ million, and basically suggesting that he's gone after this year.

Saves them nearly two million in uncapped dollars, which is the positive part.[/quote]

Curious if you think anyone will yield a 2nd rounder for Los? How about a 3rd rounder?...and would our FO let him go for that?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;668594]Actually they gave Campbell the second highest tender. Campbell could have gotten tendered as a first and third however he is now tendered as just a first round pick.[/quote]
Well no one would have given us a second for him, so giving him a high level tender was more than fair since they could have given him a low level tender and still would require a first to get him.

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Poor Carlos rogers, he gets burned, beat, cooked, and now tendered. Oh wait this isn't about how bad he is at coverages.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668603]Well no one would have given us a second for him, so giving him a high level tender was more than fair since they could have given him a low level tender and still would require a first to get him.[/quote]

Are you talking about Campbell or Rogers? Because let's not forget that things are different this offseason. Very limited talent out there that is not RFA, so teams may be willing to pay up a little bit more than last season.

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[quote=Ruhskins;668607]Are you talking about Campbell or Rogers? Because let's not forget that things are different this offseason. Very limited talent out there that is not RFA, so teams may be willing to pay up a little bit more than last season.[/quote]
Campbell

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He just said in an interview last week "With the new coaching and everything I DEFINATLY wanna be here." They tendered him so he gets to stay. In theory he got what he wanted lmao. He shoulda said, i wanna stay here WITH an extended deal AND get paid like a top 10 cornerback since we all know thats what he is thinking. Id take a 2nd or 3rd n 6th rounder for him.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;668608]Campbell[/quote]

Well as I said, last offseason and this offseason are night and day due to the uncapped year restrictions, so things will be different as far as trades and what not.

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I happened to catch this read when it was posted on RI. I couldn't help but just shakin the head and thinking this retard is still just simply clueless and must have a I.Q. of a potatoe chip.

I can only hope that another team is dumb enough to off load this headache of our hands, and we get a draft pick for this clown.

He's been on my list of fools to go for some time, but last year when he called out the man that signs the checks. I thought finally he would get his wish and maybe we could get a real corner in return.

I hate to think we are stuck with this for another year, I don't think clown show and new management will see things the same. Maybe they can at least work a trade to get his worthless ass outta DC. LOS don't let the door hit you in the ass.

Time to take the trash to the dumpster and clean the house of all the fools that don't even understand/or aren't smart enough to play there position.

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[quote=PHazard;668609]He just said in an interview last week "With the new coaching and everything I DEFINATLY wanna be here." They tendered him so he gets to stay. In theory he got what he wanted lmao. He shoulda said, i wanna stay here WITH an extended deal AND get paid like a top 10 cornerback since we all know thats what he is thinking. Id take a 2nd or 3rd n 6th rounder for him.[/quote]

Well we took a 3rd round corner last year and he barely saw the field. You are undervaluing Rogers.

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[quote=The Goat;668597]Curious if you think anyone will yield a 2nd rounder for Los? How about a 3rd rounder?...and would our FO let him go for that?[/quote]The problem is not that we wouldn't give him up at that price, but that he's old-ish (Rogers, 29 on 6/2, is actually a few days older than Asomugha, who was a 2003 first round pick), and the team that trades for him would not necessarily be the team who is looking to sign him to a long term deal.

So the price becomes an issue. What is the value of one-year of Rogers in draft pick compensation. If it's, say, a 5th rounder, I don't think the Redskins would take a 5th rounder for one year of Rogers. I think they would be happier with a year of him and then letting him walk.

They would obviously trade him for a second or third rounder, but it's going to be hard to find a team that wants to pay that price. This tender makes it easier though.

I think he'll be here in 2009, and he's going to get a lot of FA play next year as a free agent, labor deal pending.

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Essentially, this is a comparable deal. It's the last time Shanahan dealt a starting caliber corner a year away from free agency:

[url=http://www.atlantafalcons.com/News/Articles/2008/09/1-10/Falcons_trade_for_Foxworth_make_roster_moves.aspx]Atlanta Falcons | News | Falcons trade for Foxworth, make roster moves[/url]

He got a seventh-round pick in exchange. I'd be much happier with holding on to Rogers, if that's the return.

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[quote=The Goat;668573]The 1st round tender is just a starting point for negotiations correct? If offered a 2nd rd pick for Los I bet the FO takes it...[/quote]

Or straight up for Cromartie.

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Losing Rogers, if someone does pony up a 2nd or maybe just a 3rd, could sting in the short run. Westbrook and Tryon aren't great in coverage nor great playmakers. Barnes is a total ? at this point. However if the FO is dead set on getting Robinson then losing Rogers means squat...and in this case who really cares what we get for him.

...is it just me or does our secondary have more drama/headcase action than other positions? Landry acts like an insane person and Rogers has the maturity of an 8 yr old every other day.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;668615]Or straight up for Cromartie.[/quote]

Wasn't Cromartie getting toasted worse than Carlos last year?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;668615]Or straight up for Cromartie.[/quote]
It would be hard to get a fourth round draft choice for Los. Los will be 29, and not getting any better. He was an achillies heel last year, every time we needed a stop.

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[quote=The Goat;668616]Losing Rogers, if someone does pony up a 2nd or maybe just a 3rd, could sting in the short run. Westbrook and Tryon aren't great in coverage nor great playmakers. Barnes is a total ? at this point. However if the FO is dead set on getting Robinson then losing Rogers means squat...and in this case who really cares what we get for him.

...is it just me or does our secondary have a been more drama/headcase action than other positions? Landry acts like an insane person and Rogers has the maturity of an 8 yr old every other day.[/quote]

I would say that this team needs to maximize the value of any and every deal going forward. Otherwise it is business as usual.