Ravens get Boldin
 

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057]Sources: Arizona Cardinals trade WR Anquan Boldin to Baltimore Ravens - ESPN[/url]

F this now I will have to hear this is the final piece of the puzzle that they needed. Whatever.

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Holy cow. Boldin to Ravens, Dansby to Dolphins, Rolle likely to NY and Warner retired. Cards are instantly in rebuild mode!

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wow, the ravens got the better end of that trade. they give up a 3rd and 4th round pick for boldin and a 5th.

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Amazing deal for the Ravens...I'd be pissed if I were a Cards fan.
The reality is if you are a top 8 team from this year (I think) you cant add a free agent unless you lose one of the same value...so you pretty much want to stock up on picks.
Perhaps that had something to do with it?

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Could we have traded ARE and some of the others we cut to have gotten him? Without hurting our pockets, or giving the draft picks away that Balt. did?

I know we are headed in a new direction but, He could have been a nice addition.

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[quote=mredskins;670269][URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4970057"]Sources: Arizona Cardinals trade WR Anquan Boldin to Baltimore Ravens - ESPN[/URL]

F this now I will have to hear this is the final piece of the puzzle that they needed. Whatever.[/quote]

They still have Flacco as QB. I don't care what people say, he is absolute garbage as a real NFL QB.

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Somehow I look forward to the Ravens kicking the Steelers around :)

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;670292]They still have Flacco as QB. I don't care what people say, he is absolute garbage as a real NFL QB.[/quote]


Around here, b-more, he is Jesus.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;670292]They still have Flacco as QB. I don't care what people say, he is absolute garbage as a real NFL QB.[/quote]

WRONG, Zorn to the rescue. :silly:

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Flacco has good accuracy and "up to the last moment poise". It's not his fault Derrick Mason was his only legit option the past couple of years.

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Dang, great deal for them. They (ARI) must not have wanted to pony up the dough.

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The biggest news for the Cardinals is and will be Warner retiring, everything else could be worked around. Leinart is garbage, just don't see them competing with him.

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[quote=warpaint;670291]Could we have traded ARE and some of the others we cut to have gotten him? Without hurting our pockets, or giving the draft picks away that Balt. did?

I know we are headed in a new direction but, He could have been a nice addition.[/quote]

Is this a serious question?

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Ozzie Newsome is simply the best at what he does. Congratulations to Ravens fans.

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[quote=warpaint;670291]Could we have traded ARE and some of the others we cut to have gotten him? Without hurting our pockets, or giving the draft picks away that Balt. did?

I know we are headed in a new direction but, He could have been a nice addition.[/quote]
doubt they wanted ARE with a contract at around 4-5 a year for the next several years

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I would have thought the ravens would've gone after marshall or a first round rookie to solve their WR issues. Boldin's a little injury prone for my likings, although that may partly be b/c I owned him in fantasy last year lol. Regardless, I doubt the ravens are done with the WR position this offseason...

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[quote=takethecake;670359]I would have thought the ravens would've gone after marshall or a first round rookie to solve their WR issues. Boldin's a little injury prone for my likings, although that may partly be b/c I owned him in fantasy last year lol. Regardless, I doubt the ravens are done with the WR position this offseason...[/quote]

I think they need to get a good WR in the draft. Boldin is a huge upgrade to what they have, but if they don't get a good rook and Boldin gets hurt is back to square one. Still, their offense is going to be much better and right now they appear to be the top team in the AFC North (barring major injuries, especially in the defense).

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Can't argue there

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Giants also got antrel rolle

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Also Clifton stays with pack and dansby signs with phins

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[quote=mredskins;670297]Around here, b-more, he is Jesus.[/quote]

That's what I hear. Basically his stats each game are something like 11-27, 101 yards, either a TD or an INT. Game manager central.

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Damn good move, Boldin is a beast, he's a perfect fit for them with the way he plays.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;670401]That's what I hear. Basically his stats each game are something like 11-27, 101 yards, either a TD or an INT. Game manager central.[/quote]
Stats are an incomplete translation of what happens on the field. They don't tell you anything about the team around him, how much the pass is emphasized, how well he reads defenses, his accuracy, arm strength, or that he put his team in a position to win at the last second against the Vikings only to have his kicker choke, etc, etc.

He also averaged 31 attempts per game.

He's just inconsistent. Half the games last year, he had 100+ rating games. In the rest, he had plenty of sub-70 rating games.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/joeflacco/gamelogs?id=FLA009602]Joe Flacco: Game Logs[/url]

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Ravens got the better of the deal. When healthy ( and that's a big if) Boldin is a beast. And just when the Cards were starting to get it they let Boldin, Dansby and Rolle get away. The Bidwells are clearly not in the football business no win.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;670433][B][I]Stats are an incomplete translation of what happens on the field.[/I][/B] They don't tell you anything about the team around him, how much the pass is emphasized, how well he reads defenses, his accuracy, arm strength, or that he put his team in a position to win at the last second against the Vikings only to have his kicker choke, etc, etc.

He also averaged 31 attempts per game.

He's just inconsistent. Half the games last year, he had 100+ rating games. In the rest, he had plenty of sub-70 rating games.
[URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/joeflacco/gamelogs?id=FLA009602"]Joe Flacco: Game Logs[/URL][/quote]

I would say it's the most direct correlation to talent. Just watching him in general, he was never really putting the ball on the money or really making plays on his own.

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No, they aren't. Jason Campbell is many times worse than Flacco despite their similar stats.

Stats that take into account factors not accounted in the regular stats, such as those by Football Outsiders, are better indicator, imo, even though the team factor in influence the stat is not completely accounted for; they don't say everything about a QB's play either, but they're more "complete".
[url=http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2009[/url]

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Flacco has had a much better cast around him, that counts for quite a bit.

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Flacco's production this year was heavily weighted to the earlier part of the season. He was one of the top five or six rated quarterbacks through about seven weeks, and provided basically no value after that.

Trent Edwards' 2008 VOA was pretty much the same deal. Excellent for the first six games, worthless after that.

I think Flacco has more job security than Edwards did because of his draft status, but 2010 is a critical year for him to produce. He's had his team in the playoffs in consecutive years, but it's likely in the future that the defense will be unable to carry the team. If Flacco can carry the team, he'll be firmly entrenched as a franchise QB, based on his prior successes. But it's just as likely that the Ravens could be looking for a replacement in 2011.

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But yes, Flacco's 09 was a better season than Campbell's 09 in a vacuum. Which is what the FO stats are saying. Not that Campbell was supposed to do any better without being able to set his feet than Flacco could with a cushy pocket (they both had crappy receivers--but Todd Heap's reemergence was the difference).

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Meh, he's 29 going on 30. The Ravens can have him. I'd rather develop D. Thomas and more young WRs than add another old guy to the roster.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;670452]
Stats that take into account factors not accounted in the regular stats, [/quote]

my head just exploded.:)

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[quote=saden1;670486]Meh, he's 29 going on 30. The Ravens can have him. I'd rather develop D. Thomas and more young WRs than add another old guy to the roster.[/quote]


I agree, I think our trio: Thomas, Kelly, and Davis will be the talk of the league next year. Three tunes in his career Boldin has played 12 games or less and a couple of times just short of 16. If he holds up for a couple of seasons, it was a good deal. But that's a big if.

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[quote=saden1;670486]Meh, he's 29 going on 30. The Ravens can have him. I'd rather develop D. Thomas and more young WRs than add another old guy to the roster.[/quote]


I agree with you for us but for the ravens a team that only needs a few pieces it makes sense.

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[quote=12thMan;670532]I agree, I think our trio: Thomas, Kelly, and Davis will be the talk of the league next year. Three tunes in his career Boldin has played 12 games or less and a couple of times just short of 16. If he holds up for a couple of seasons, it was a good deal. But that's a big if.[/quote]

Thomas: Deadliest #1 in the league.
Kelly: Best possession receiver in the league
Davis: Second coming of Shannon Sharpe.

:D

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[quote=12thMan;670532]I agree, I think our trio: Thomas, Kelly, and Davis will be the talk of the league next year. Three tunes in his career Boldin has played 12 games or less and a couple of times just short of 16. If he holds up for a couple of seasons, it was a good deal. But that's a big if.

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I see improvement, but not talk of the town type stuff, not yet anyway. With the exception of Davis( who became a stud TE), the other two improved somewhat, but nothing to get one overly excited about. Kelly was an absolute big zip until the season was effectively over for us. We won't see til 2011 if these guys are busts or not.

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Just wondering, would it be unheard of to move Thomas into the #1 spot and have moss slide over to the #2 and Kelly brings up the slot? Would that be possible, or is santanas ego too big to move on over? I just dont think santana is really a prototypical #1 receiver, and Thomas fits that mold better than him. Give him a season and see if he can work hisself into a quality starter, or just slide Santana back to #1 when it looks like it aint happening. I mean, we already know what we have with moss, and its borderline #1 material. Lets lean on these young guys, and give them their definitive "shot".

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[quote=Mechanix544;670783]Just wondering, would it be unheard of to move Thomas into the #1 spot and have moss slide over to the #2 and Kelly brings up the slot? Would that be possible, or is santanas ego too big to move on over? I just dont think santana is really a prototypical #1 receiver, and Thomas fits that mold better than him. Give him a season and see if he can work hisself into a quality starter, or just slide Santana back to #1 when it looks like it aint happening. I mean, we already know what we have with moss, and its borderline #1 material. Lets lean on these young guys, and give them their definitive "shot".[/quote]

Actually, I believe Moss would be best suited for the slot, but DT should be our #1 no matter where anyone else lines up.

Hopefully ARE's departure means Marko sees the field a lot more.

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nice job by ozzie. he wanted him last year but didnt want to put up a 1st rounder or the rumored 2nd rounder after no one bit on the 1st rounder.


while a wr like boldin could have been the difference for them last year in the playoffs, better late than never.

on flacco, i wasnt to high on him too and thought the ravens fans were to quick to annoint him as the next johnny u.

flacco has great pocket awareness, makes some nice reads and for the most part is accurate, when needed he can fit the ball into a tight window. he is being groomed nicely by the ravens franchise.

that ravens franchise just keeps chuggin away, adding pieces and not overpaying to keep players. when a raven player or coach leaves, his replacement is usually in-house ready to take over with lil drop off.

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[quote=over the mountain;671120]nice job by ozzie. he wanted him last year but didnt want to put up a 1st rounder or the rumored 2nd rounder after no one bit on the 1st rounder.


while a wr like boldin could have been the difference for them last year in the playoffs, better late than never.

on flacco, i wasnt to high on him too and thought the ravens fans were to quick to annoint him as the next johnny u.

flacco has great pocket awareness, makes some nice reads and for the most part is accurate, when needed he can fit the ball into a tight window. he is being groomed nicely by the ravens franchise.

that ravens franchise just keeps chuggin away, adding pieces and not overpaying to keep players. when a raven player or coach leaves, his replacement is usually in-house ready to take over with lil drop off.[/quote]

They better get some Lombardis while Reed and Lewis are still there. I bet Reed will play one more year, 2 tops. Ray Lewis...who knows, he doesn't look like he'll ever slow down. But, they'll never replace that tandem.

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yup, my thought as well. the ravens have heavily drafted on the offensive side of the ball with their early picks lately while relying on ozzie's guile and relative health of ray lewis, ed reed, terrel suggs, n'agata to hold down their D.

guys like ray lewis and ed reed dont come around very often. im not sure if reed is even gonna come back, the guy plays through alot of pain now a days.

once lewis and reed are gone, i just dont see the ravens being continual contenders ('07 excluded).