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There is a lot of "meat" in this article:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-will-take-first-st.html?wprss=redskinsinsider]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth will take first step in new system as workouts start Monday[/url]

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Well, Haynesworth plans to attend the beginning of the team's voluntary offseason conditioning program Monday at Redskins Park, multiple league sources said Saturday night. Coach Mike Shanahan recently stressed he expected all of his "team leaders" to participate in the program, and Haynesworth has committed to joining his teammates in Washington's first team activity under Shanahan.

Although Haynesworth is among the players expected at the complex, however, that doesn't mean he plans to address the media. There will be media availability at some point during the workouts, but Haynesworth just wants to work with his teammates and focus on preparing for the season, people familiar with the situation said. [B]He doesn't want to become the center of attention at a time when Shanahan is just getting started, so he doesn't intend to comment after the workouts.[/B]

Moreover, there are no secrets between Haynesworth and the Redskins regarding Haynesworth's feelings about the new defense and his role in it, team sources said.[B] In a meeting at Redskins Park in January, coaches discussed their plans with Haynesworth, and there have been follow-up conversations.[/B]

The Redskins do not plan to use Haynesworth as a classic nose tackle, the team sources said. Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett intends to use multiple fronts and envisions Haynesworth moving between the nose and end spots in hybrid alignments. With what Haslett has planned, the Redskins believe Haynesworth will thrive.

In April, the Redskins will cut Haynesworth a check for the $21 million option bonus he is owed. Haynesworth's 2010 base salary of $3.6 million is guaranteed as is his 2011 base of $5.4 million. Obviously, that's a huge financial commitment, so the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in a good frame of mind.

Despite all the criticism of Haynesworth last season, there is no denying the impact he had on the defense. His presence in the middle of the line helped to elevate the level of play of the entire defense, said assistant coaches on other teams who have studied film of the Redskins.

[B]Eyebrows were raised in the coaching offices at the complex early last season when former defensive coordinator Gregg Blache said Haynesworth didn't help to make his teammates better. Two former Redskins assistants told me they strongly disagreed with Blache, who feuded with Haynesworth during the season[/B].

Haynesworth probably isn't giddy about the possibility of having to play the nose, even on a part-time basis. But he plans to show up for the first major event of the Shanahan era. So that's a start.[/QUOTE]

I bolded the parts that interested me, and specifically the part about Blache. It just reinforced my belief that ALOT of the talent on the defense has been held back by poor coaching, and poor interpersonal skills from the coaches. These guys are all adults, and have a job to do, but if you think that the boss "has it in for you" or "doesn't get it", your performance [U]will[/U] be affected.

I hope that this new staff brings a new confidence and new tone to Redskins Park, and I believe that the most important move made so far was the cutting of 10 players on the eve of FA, especially without a followup big name signing that made it look like it was all about freeing up money.

Also looking forward to whatever press reports do come out with regards to the next few days workouts.

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Look out!!! Godzilla is back and I think he is angry...

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While we've discussed Haynesworth and his projected role in whatever defensive scheme the team decides to implement, the subject of where/how he'll be used will never grow stagnant.

Haynesworth will show up and be a team player, the coaches will find ways to utilize his talents in a way that will not interfere with his preferences, and we won't witness a repeat of the unhappiness he demonstrated towards the end of last season.

I have never understood the obsession with continuing to sugest that arguably your best defensive player should be forced to play a position he's made perfectly clear he wont be comfortable playing. It would be my ambition to keep the "big guy" happy in hopes of getting his maximum effort as a result. The most important thing for Haynesworth is conditioning, this staff may not be comfortable with him playing 60% of the snaps. This season he's going to have to spend more time on the field regardless of what his role is on the defense.

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[quote=Longtimefan;673639]While we've discussed Haynesworth and his projected role in whatever defensive scheme the team decides to implement, the subject of where/how he'll be used will never grow stagnant.

Haynesworth will show up and be a team player, the coaches will find ways to utilize his talents in a way that will not interfere with his preferences, and we won't witness a repeat of the unhappiness he demonstrated towards the end of last season.

I have never understood the obsession with continuing to sugest that arguably your best defensive player should be forced to play a position he's made perfectly clear he wont be comfortable playing. It would be my ambition to keep the "big guy" happy in hopes of getting his maximum effort as a result. The most important thing for Haynesworth is conditioning, this staff may not be comfortable with him playing 60% of the snaps. This season he's going to have to spend more time on the field regardless of what his role is on the defense.[/quote]

You mean he has to play on 80% of the snaps? He played in 72% of the snaps in the games he played last year. Most DTs don't log that much time.

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I believe a good DLine rotates their players as much as possible within the scheme, and how the opponent uses the play clock. That lets the whole DLine stay ready to attack throughout the game. That belief makes the # of plays stat for DL one of the most overblown in my mind. I hope Kemo heals well, and we rotate the guys so much that by the 4th quarter the opponent's OLmen are sucking air on the bench of every game!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;673640]You mean he has to play on 80% of the snaps? He played in 72% of the snaps in the games he played last year. Most DTs don't log that much time.[/quote]


I agree that "Haynesworth is out of shape and needs to be on the field more" is blown way out of proportion. Now, it does look bad when he is getting carted off and then comes back in but who cares. When they signed him, they told everbody that he isn't an every down player.

IMO it comes down to jealousy and the # victories. Because they were 4-12, the media (especially the local media) loves to pile on how we spent 100 million on this guy and got worse (the 100 million is another popular inaccuracy). People are jealous of Albert so they feed on any negative out there.

Nothing this guy does is going to live up to the expectations created by his deal. He could have an All-Pro year in 2010, lead us to 12-4 but if we lost in the playoffs 10-7, I guarantee that the same jerks that blast him daily now (Andy Polin/Steve Czaban) would still repeat the same stupid jokes about him.

Every team would love to have him and his peers voted him the most dominant player in the NFL.

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I expect AH to do nothing less than kick-ass and take names this year and he'll be in better shape. Blache was basically stuck in his system with no idea how to improvise. He could've probably pissed Reggie White off and made him mediocre. If Kemo gets healthy I think he'll have a big impact on what the other linemen can do. I expect different looks like we've seen from Pittsburgh and hopefully a lot more chaos created. I'm really looking forward to seeing this defense. Blache kept this defense hogtied with so many reads. Turn the BEAST loose!!!

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I love big al! He's a tank

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I'm a big time Albert Haynseworth fan
He plays hard
He doesn't mince words
I LoL'd when Zorn 'punished' him by sending him home on Christmas?
I loved it when he came to D. Hall defense and layed a big hambone hand on a couple of Falcons
Media love to hate on the dude
But Big Al is a beast!
I knew he would be their on Monday and i think him and Haslett are gonna to get along fine(both have actually stepped on a opponents face!)
Albert has that mean streak you can build a defense around

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[quote=30gut;673645]I'm a big time Albert Haynseworth fan
He plays hard
He doesn't mince words
I LoL'd when Zorn 'punished' him by sending him home on Thanksgiving?
I loved it when he came to D. Hall defense and layed a big hambone hand on a couple of Falcons
Media love to hate on the dude
But Big Al is a beast!
I knew he would be their on Monday and i think him and Haslett are gonna to get along fine(both have actually stepped on a opponents face!)
Albert has that mean streak you can build a defense around[/quote]

Hell Yeah!!! :woot:

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[quote=30gut;673645]I'm a big time Albert Haynseworth fan
He plays hard
He doesn't mince words
I LoL'd when Zorn 'punished' him by sending him home on Thanksgiving?
I loved it when he came to D. Hall defense and layed a big hambone hand on a couple of Falcons
Media love to hate on the dude
But Big Al is a beast!
I knew he would be their on Monday and i think him and Haslett are gonna to get along fine(both have actually stepped on a opponents face!)
Albert has that mean streak you can build a defense around[/quote]


I think that Blache had it in for Albert as soon as he was signed. Blache refused to make changes that would have maximized Albert's ability so ultimately everybody suffered.

Just another example how we are better off with a clean slate.

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well I say he better fucking show up...it's his job...and could you imagine making that much money and NOT showing up to your job. He needs to not only be producing at a pro bowl caliber level...but he also needs to be a presence in the locker room...and I mean a positive presence.

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[quote=tootergray34;673648]well I say he better fucking show up...it's his job...and could you imagine making that much money and NOT showing up to your job. He needs to not only be producing at a pro bowl caliber level...but he also needs to be a presence in the locker room...and I mean a positive presence.[/quote]

This is an example of what I am talking about. Shitsham singlehandedly lost two games for us (Dallas and NO). You are saying that AH needs to do his job, is he supposed to kick field goals too? Zorn singlehandedly pissed away the Detroit game. Is AH supposed to take the 3 points when you can't run or decide that when you have a team stopped you let them kick a 50 yarder instead of giving them another down?

When did AH not show up? If those games down the stretch had mattered, he would have played in at least a couple of them.

I like his locker room presence. He is a straight shooter and basically said the team needed to play better. Was he supposed to be happy when they were losing games that they threw away?

Too many people in that building were comfortable with losing but AH takes the heat because he signed a big deal.

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I am sure Haslett is going to maximize Al's potential for unleashing havoc with this hybrid scheme he is talking about. Would like to see what this hybrid looks like. Just a standard 3-4 with say a large MLB "cheating" just behind the NG or DT? Will be cool to see what Haslett has going.

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[quote=tootergray34;673648]well I say he better fucking show up...it's his job...and could you imagine making that much money and NOT showing up to your job. He needs to not only be producing at a pro bowl caliber level...but he also needs to be a presence in the locker room...and I mean a positive presence.[/quote]

Seriously. I hate it when guys get praise for showing up to workout. It's your profession. They make oodles of money and still get a few months off every year. Showing up to throw some weights around in the offseason doesn't deserve any extra kudos whatsoever.

Also, I hope no one gets their hopes over statements like this:
[I]
Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett intends to use multiple fronts and envisions Haynesworth moving between the nose and end spots in hybrid alignments. With what Haslett has planned, the Redskins believe Haynesworth will thrive.[/I]

What are they supposed to say? We just gave a retarded amount of money to this guy, now we're switching to a scheme where he may not be nearly as effective, and we're pretty concerned about how he'll fit. ??

Hopefully he can still occupy two O-lineman as 3-4 DE and free up Orakpo to wreak havoc a la Demarcus Ware. The article mentions Haslett moving Big Al around. I'd be interested to know what specific situations they'd use him as an end and at nose.

Anyone else a bit concerned with the notion of moving back and forth from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in the middle of the game? Hopefully we have the personnel, intelligence, and coaching to make that happen successfully.

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[quote=GMScud;673655]Seriously. I hate it when guys get praise for showing up to workout. It's your profession. They make oodles of money and still get a few months off every year. Showing up to throw some weights around in the offseason doesn't deserve any extra kudos whatsoever.

Also, I hope no one gets their hopes over statements like this:
[I]
Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett intends to use multiple fronts and envisions Haynesworth moving between the nose and end spots in hybrid alignments. With what Haslett has planned, the Redskins believe Haynesworth will thrive.[/I]

What are they supposed to say? We just gave a retarded amount of money to this guy, no we're switching to a scheme where he may not be nearly as effective, and we're pretty concerned about how he'll fit. ??

Hopefully he can still occupy two O-lineman as 3-4 DE and free up Orakpo to wreak havoc a la Demarcus Ware. The article mentions Haslett moving Big Al around. I'd be interested to know what specific situations they'd use him as an end and at nose.

Anyone else a bit concerned with the notion of moving back and forth from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in the middle of the game? Hopefully we have the personnel, intelligence, and coaching to make that happen successfully.[/quote]

The only thing to worry about is weakside linebacker and whether or not the other ILB can handle it. If Rocky stays, then we're set. The line can be easily made by putting Rak on the D-line.

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[quote=30gut;673645]I'm a big time Albert Haynseworth fan
He plays hard
[B]He doesn't mince words[/B]
I LoL'd when Zorn 'punished' him by sending him home on Christmas?
I loved it when he came to D. Hall defense and layed a big hambone hand on a couple of Falcons
Media love to hate on the dude
But [B]Big Al is a beast![/B]
I knew he would be their on Monday and i think him and Haslett are gonna to get along fine(both have actually stepped on a opponents face!)
[B]Albert has that mean streak you can build a defense around[/quote][/B]


OH! Hell Yeah very good points. I think this defense will be good may take a year but it will be good Lou Spanos was brought to help the 3-4 DF LB's are a big part of this DF.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;673642]I agree that "Haynesworth is out of shape and needs to be on the field more" is blown way out of proportion. Now, it does look bad when he is getting carted off and then comes back in but who cares. When they signed him, they told everbody that he isn't an every down player.

IMO it comes down to jealousy and the # victories. Because they were 4-12, the media (especially the local media) loves to pile on how we spent 100 million on this guy and got worse (the 100 million is another popular inaccuracy). People are jealous of Albert so they feed on any negative out there.

Nothing this guy does is going to live up to the expectations created by his deal. He could have an All-Pro year in 2010, lead us to 12-4 but if we lost in the playoffs 10-7, I guarantee that the same jerks that blast him daily now (Andy Polin/Steve Czaban) would still repeat the same stupid jokes about him.

Every team would love to have him and his peers voted him the most dominant player in the NFL.[/quote]

That's the same old story with virtually every player in the league. When things are going well they're heaping praise, when they go bad it' just the opposite. It's not limited to the media, fans are that way as well. I think we'll all agree Haynesworth is definitely an impact player who suffered only from lack of conditioning as well as being utilized in a fashion that prohibited him from being able to help the team the way he really wanted too. This year will unveil the new and improved version of Albert Haynesworth.

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[quote=GMScud;673655]Seriously. I hate it when guys get praise for showing up to workout. It's your profession. They make oodles of money and still get a few months off every year. Showing up to throw some weights around in the offseason doesn't deserve any extra kudos whatsoever.

Also, I hope no one gets their hopes over statements like this:
[I]
Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett intends to use multiple fronts and envisions Haynesworth moving between the nose and end spots in hybrid alignments. With what Haslett has planned, the Redskins believe Haynesworth will thrive.[/I]

What are they supposed to say? We just gave a retarded amount of money to this guy, no we're switching to a scheme where he may not be nearly as effective, and we're pretty concerned about how he'll fit. ??

Hopefully he can still occupy two O-lineman as 3-4 DE and free up Orakpo to wreak havoc a la Demarcus Ware. The article mentions Haslett moving Big Al around. I'd be interested to know what specific situations they'd use him as an end and at nose.

Anyone else a bit concerned with the notion of moving back and forth from a 3-4 to a 4-3 in the middle of the game? [B]Hopefully we have the personnel, intelligence, and coaching to make that happen successfully[/B].[/quote]

I think we do, or at least we're trying to with the addition of players like Kemo. We have coaches who are experienced in the 3-4 and 4-3. It seems to be a step in the right direction and is a welcome change to the stagnant system we've had in place with Blache. I'm glad AH is showing up. It is voluntary and with all the talk about his dissatisfaction with the way he was used and the possible switch to NT I'm glad he's not acting like an ass as he's sometimes portrayed to be. I do believe this staff will use him more to his abilities than Blache. Hopefully a more aggressive, attacking defense.

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[quote=53Fan;673659]I think we do, or at least we're trying to with the addition of players like Kemo. We have coaches who are experienced in the 3-4 and 4-3. It seems to be a step in the right direction and is a welcome change to the stagnant system we've had in place with Blache. I'm glad AH is showing up. It is voluntary and with all the talk about his dissatisfaction with the way he was used and the possible switch to NT I'm glad he's not acting like an ass as he's sometimes portrayed to be. I do believe this staff will use him more to his abilities than Blache. Hopefully a more aggressive, attacking defense.[/quote]

I agree 53....And with this coaching staff we will be able to determine if whatever appeared to have gone wrong with Albert's game was all on him, or if the coaches were partly to blame. As far as his gripes about how he was being utilized..I would gladly take 52 others with the same gripe. Further, I doubt very seriously he would have had the same issues had he gone to any other team because most other teams would have known how to take advantage of his skills and used him accordingly. His play this season will help determine whether it was him or Blache.

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"When did AH not show up? If those games down the stretch had mattered, he would have played in at least a couple of them."

Now don't get me wrong...I like AH, but you aren't getting the point...all i'm saying is....is he better be at training camp...for the money he is worth...he better be.

And for your other questions, yes...he is responsible...when you committ that much money to somebody, they better produce at an extremely high level, or to me, he is a BUST. And some might not agree...but can you imagine the amount of talent we could have had on our team if we had not signed AH?

Don't forget the part that he is a shitty human being as well, I mean i'm not one to judge...but he has left one person paralyzed via his actions behind the wheel....and with said FAT contract...hasn't offered a dime to his family...that signals peice of shit to me...and if you don't agree you are TOO much of a homer for the SKINS.

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[quote=tootergray34;673811]And for your other questions, yes...he is responsible...when you committ that much money to somebody, they better produce at an extremely high level, or to me, he is a BUST. And some might not agree...[B]but can you imagine the amount of talent we could have had on our team if we had not signed AH?
[/B]
Don't forget the part that he is a shitty human being as well, I mean i'm not one to judge...but he has left one person paralyzed via his actions behind the wheel....and with said FAT contract...hasn't offered a dime to his family...that signals peice of shit to me...and if you don't agree you are TOO much of a homer for the SKINS.[/quote]One Albert Haynesworth less.

Trick Question?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;673637]There is a lot of "meat" in this article:

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-will-take-first-st.html?wprss=redskinsinsider"]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth will take first step in new system as workouts start Monday[/URL]



I bolded the parts that interested me, and specifically the part about Blache. It just reinforced my belief that ALOT of the talent on the defense has been held back by poor coaching, and poor interpersonal skills from the coaches. These guys are all adults, and have a job to do, but if you think that the boss "has it in for you" or "doesn't get it", your performance [U]will[/U] be affected.
.[/quote]

The articale said ............"

In April, the Redskins will cut Haynesworth a check for the $21 million option bonus he is owed. Haynesworth's 2010 base salary of $3.6 million is guaranteed as is his 2011 base of $5.4 million. Obviously, that's a huge financial commitment, so the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in a good frame of mind."

1) Do you really believe that the coach had it out for him?

2)Do you also believe...that Al's physical condition was not part of the problem?

3)...............and you don't think 21+ million is reason enough to have a good frame of mind,................to come in and do your job?

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[quote=Giantone;673814]The articale said ............"

In April, the Redskins will cut Haynesworth a check for the $21 million option bonus he is owed. Haynesworth's 2010 base salary of $3.6 million is guaranteed as is his 2011 base of $5.4 million. Obviously, that's a huge financial commitment, so the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in a good frame of mind."

1) Do you really believe that the coach had it out for him?

2)Do you also believe...that Al's physical condition was not part of the problem?

3)...............and you don't think 21+ million is reason enough to have a good frame of mind,................to come in and do your job?[/quote]Had it out for him, I think, gives Blache a lot more credit than he earned here. I think it's more like he never had any idea what he could do with him, and even more bluntly, had no idea that a featured defensive lineman who isn't given sufficient opportunity to sack the opposing team's quarterback could actually be unhappy with his role.

Al's physical conditioning was hardly relevant considering that he played every (possible) snap of the last 11 games he dressed for with a list of injuries that might force a lesser player to be inactive. Physical conditioning, not really a relevant concern. Physical condition, on the other hand, needs to be closely monitored.

He'll get that 21 million this year (no matter what we do with him), and I don't think any of us are worried about him doing his job. Haynesworth, even the bruised, battered version that the Redskins bought, is still better and more versatile than 96% of defensive tackles in this league. He showed up on film whenever he played last year.

No Skins fan feels cheated by Albert Haynesworth. Those who were against the signing are probably still against it for all the same reasons, but he came in and did everything the Redskins asked of him. Then he caught some flak and ran his mouth in the media. Shit happens.

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[quote=Giantone;673814]The articale said ............"

In April, the Redskins will cut Haynesworth a check for the $21 million option bonus he is owed. Haynesworth's 2010 base salary of $3.6 million is guaranteed as is his 2011 base of $5.4 million. Obviously, that's a huge financial commitment, so the Redskins need Haynesworth to be in a good frame of mind."

1) Do you really believe that the coach had it out for him?

2)Do you also believe...that Al's physical condition was not part of the problem?

3)...............and you don't think 21+ million is reason enough to have a good frame of mind,................to come in and do your job?[/quote]

1) Maybe "had it out for him" was too harsh, but I think it's fair to say that Blache showed preferential treatment to players, and AH was not one of those.

2) No, I really don't think AH's physical conditioning was part of the problem, again, when you watched him play, he would take on from 1 to 3 players and still be collapsing the pocket or stuffing the run. I think it's normal for a body to need a quick recharge after that kind of exertion. Maybe I'm just too understanding.

3) Money is not the end all for a job. Yes it's nice, and yes you wish someone getting that much money just did whatever, but that's not really human nature, in fact human nature tends more towards the ego of you paid me x to do it, so let me do it my way because that's what you paid me for.

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Pretty funny, this article compares JZ's quotes before minicamp with MS. What a difference:
[url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/Redskins_First_Team_Activities_Begin_Today_What_Players_Will_Skip/2249380]Redskins First Team Activities Begin Today; What Players Will Skip?[/url]

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REALLY...how was that NOT a red flag?

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I get so tired of these sports reporters bringing up Zorn and now Blache. They're both gone so what's the point? The bottom line is the players on defense, at times simply played like shit. That includes AH for not being able to stay on the field and play at a high level for more than two plays at a time. Hopefully the new staff will be able to motivate some of the current players to play better and take their jobs more seriously

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[quote=skinsfan69;673836]I get so tired of these sports reporters bringing up Zorn and now Blache. They're both gone so what's the point? The bottom line is the players on defense, at times simply played like shit. That includes AH for not being able to stay on the field and play at a high level for more than two plays at a time. Hopefully the new staff will be able to motivate some of the current players to play better and take their jobs more seriously[/quote]

Again, AH sitting out plays was overblown.

They are looking for chinks in the armor since the off season has gone pretty smoothly. Some of these jerks are praying for CP and or AH to miss the workouts because it is a better story.

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AH is getting paid alot of money to be a leader on this team. That means coming to work every day w/ a good attitude. I do like AH and the way he plays, but he's got to be a team guy. He's got to be willing to help out the team no matter what. If he doesn't isn't that called selfish? I think he'll be fine.

I agree the sitting out plays was WAY overblown.

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Haynesworth will be fine. I just hope nothing comes of this....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/14/report-haynesworth-will-show-up-for-the-start-of-offseason-workouts/]Report: Haynesworth will show up for the start of offseason workouts | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[QUOTE]Coach Mike Shanahan recently said that he "wants [his] leaders" to participate, a statement that technically violates the rules of the offseason workout program. In past seasons, the NFLPA typically looked the other way regarding such comments; given the open hostility between the league and the union, there's a chance that such comments will be challenged moving forward.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing more of PFT's BS acting as the NFL nazi/police.

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[quote=SBXVII;673852]Haynesworth will be fine. I just hope nothing comes of this....

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/14/report-haynesworth-will-show-up-for-the-start-of-offseason-workouts/]Report: Haynesworth will show up for the start of offseason workouts | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]



I'm guessing more of PFT's BS acting as the NFL nazi/police.[/quote]

That's why fans who were saying MS needed to be more forceful weren't seeing the statement right. I am confident that MS phrased it in a way that is allowed. He didn't threaten fines, or say it was mandatory, only that he would be disappointed. Now if someone doesn't show up and the very next day they are released, then PFT might be onto something.

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MS might have gotten in some hot water had he said he [I]expects[/I] the leaders to participate. I don't see anything wrong him saying he [I]wants[/I] them to.

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It's "official":

@redskinsblog: Haven't done a full roll call but definitely saw Clinton Portis, Haynesworth, and LaRon Landry at #Redskins Park today.

Fred Davis there too.

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[quote=Mattyk;673881]MS might have gotten in some hot water had he said he [I]expects[/I] the leaders to participate. I don't see anything wrong him saying he [I]wants[/I] them to.[/quote]

Honestly I don't see why it's a big deal. The coach could say he wants everyone there for all I care but if he tries to hold someone accountable for not showing up is when I think the NFLPA should get involved. Why get them involved in every piddly comment. But PFT did bring up a good point that the owners and union are not getting a long right now so I could see something being said no matter how nit picking it was.

Re: WP: Haynesworth will be at Redskins Park Monday
 

The signing of Kemo was a big sign to Haynesworth that he wont be stuck playing NT all day and getting double teamed all day. I think the plan is to draft another capable NT really late in the draft or even undrafted rookie. Kemo when healthy will play the nose when in the standard 3-4. Haynesworth will play DT in the standard 4-3 and goaline D. But what has everyone quietly licking their chops is the prospects of Haynesworth playing DE in the 3-4, with pass rushers Orakpo, Carter, Jackson and Jarmon coming from every angle at LB and decent DB pass rushers like Horton and Landry, we might finally have the start of an attacking Defense. You know Fletch is not bad at blitzing either. Who would you double team? Could cause some problems for opposing OL.
The second happiest besides Hayneswoth if this works would be our DB's. When you have an excellent pass rush your DB's day is easy.
Imagine that, finally having a defense that dictates to the offense...not the other way around. Hhhmmmm.
Blache who?

Re: WP: Haynesworth will be at Redskins Park Monday
 

[quote=Defensewins;673989]The signing of Kemo was a big sign to Haynesworth that he wont be stuck playing NT all day and getting double teamed all day. I think the plan is to draft another capable NT really late in the draft or even undrafted rookie. Kemo when healthy will play the nose when in the standard 3-4. Haynesworth will play DT in the standard 4-3 and goaline D. But what has everyone quietly licking their chops is the prospects of Haynesworth playing DE in the 3-4, with pass rushers Orakpo, Carter, Jackson and Jarmon coming from every angle at LB and decent DB pass rushers like Horton and Landry, we might finally have the start of an attacking Defense. You know Fletch is not bad at blitzing either. Who would you double team? Could cause some problems for opposing OL.
The second happiest besides Hayneswoth if this works would be our DB's. When you have an excellent pass rush your DB's day is easy.
Imagine that, finally having a defense that dictates to the offense...not the other way around. Hhhmmmm.
[B]Blache who[/B]?[/quote]

I got so tired of his excuses. Yeah that's what I was saying. Haynesworth was never in the equation as a NT. He was always going to be a DE or DT in a 3-4.

Re: WP: Haynesworth will be at Redskins Park Monday
 

Meanwhile, in Oakland JaMarcus Russell doesn't show up. It's voluntary, but still...

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dang jamarcus . . . what a freakin waste.

edit - does "lethargy addiction" really exist or is it just the oakland media jokingly diagnosing j russell with this?

Re: WP: Haynesworth will be at Redskins Park Monday
 

[quote=SmootSmack;674049]Meanwhile, in Oakland JaMarcus Russell doesn't show up. It's voluntary, but still...[/quote]

That's one of the problems that buffets cause...some people don't know when to leave and end up missing important obligations as they get lost in their plate.