Five Redskins Most Likely To Improve
 

Do you agree or disagree?

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I'm not sure about Rogers and Landry. I'm hoping they show more consistency but I'm not sure they will improve necessarily.

I can see their point about Orakpo going from very good to great.

Agree about Kelly, provided he's given the opportunity he's really got nowhere to go but up.

Rinehart has to lock up a starting job first.

I think the two guys I would have put on that list are Jeremy Jarmon and Anthony Alridge

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I'd put my money on Mitchell instead of Kelly. Considering the fact that he showed promise under Zorn makes me think he(Mitchell) could easily move up a level or two under Mike and Kyle.

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Time for the token JC supporter...I don't think JC will improve as much but with a better offensive line around him, I do see his stats entering the 25 td 15 int range.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;678997]Time for the token JC supporter...I don't think JC will improve as much but with a better offensive line around him, I do see his stats entering the 25 td 15 int range.[/quote]

Hopefully a few more TDs will coincide with fewer INTs (and fumbles)

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[B]Five Redskins Most Likely To Improve [/B]

Only Five?

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Agree on Kelly, Landry.. and maybe Rogers and Rhino

Orakpo can stay on his grind and be fine

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[quote=53Fan;678988]Do you agree or disagree?

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/landing_redskins/?blockID=204275&feedID=2993]Five Redskins Most Likely To Improve[/url][/quote]

Does he mean improve from last year or improve in general?

My picks:
I agree with all his picks except for Rogers i think he is what he is

o Clinton Portis
o Stephon Heyer
o Malcolm Kelly
o Devin Thomas
o Jason Campbell

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I'd say 5 Skins that should improve are

LB Blades i think he'll benfit from the 3-4 , and another year under his belt learning from Fletcher.

TE Fred Davis showed good hands , and not sure how healthy Cooley will play in the start of the season.

DL Golston , S Horton and OT Heyer should all do better aswell

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[quote=30gut;679029][B]Does he mean improve from last year or improve in general?[/B]

My picks:
I agree with all his picks except for Rogers i think he is what he is

o Clinton Portis
o Stephon Heyer
o Malcolm Kelly
o Devin Thomas
o Jason Campbell[/quote]

He's talking about which players will benefit most from changes in the coaching and scheme. For instance, there have been reports that Shanahan has told Kelly they will draw up plays to utilize his size.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;678997]Time for the token JC supporter...I don't think JC will improve as much but with a better offensive line around him, I do see his stats entering the 25 td 15 int range.[/quote]


Make that two token JC supporters I'll put him at 27td & 13int.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;679038]Make that two token JC supporters I'll put him at 27td & 13int.[/quote]

Three! But there has been little information and a lot of miss-information this offseason, so, I'm not sure about my Soup jersey............

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I'll give my opinion before reading the link. This is people who are on the roster, that should have increased playing time.

Orakpo would be my #1. He will be put into position to make more plays as a rush LB or in free space.
#2 would probably be - Haynesworth. If he is able to line up as a DE in the 3-4 system, i think he would absolutely be dominant.
#3 - goes to a couple of LB's....Blades and Wilson. Both of these guys could benefit from the 3-4 system. Blades playing inside along with London, and playing Wilson more on the outside. To me, he is the prototypical 3-4 OLB. He NEEDs to be on the field more. He just makes plays happen.
#4 - Campbell - Working with Shanahan and having some quality lineman in front of him, having two pretty damn good backs (as long as they are healthy) and having the WR being more aggressive in their routes, cooley and davis healthy - campbell could have a HUGE year!
#5 - Malcomb Kelly - if ready little Shannys expectations of Kelly didn't get you all pumped up, then check your pulse. He expects to use Kelly as he did Andre Davis in houston. Said he is just as big, just as fast and plans on getting him in mismatches as he did in houston. I look for Kelly to be a big part of the offense.

When you sit back and look at the possibilities of this offense it really is exciting. Devin Tomas and Malcomb Kelly hopefully playing together on the field, with davis and cooley, portis and johnson...man the possibilities are exciting. I left out Moss thinking I would trade him on draft day... but thats my opinion. i think we have 3 good recievers on this team saying the 3rd is Mitchell.

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If Rogers can hold onto at least one INT that will be an improvement.

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1. Clinton Portis - The new offense will take full advantage of his natural cutback abilities. Also, he has been challenged by Shanahan to get in top shape to excel and Clinton is a warrior who will accept that challenge. He'll lose ten pounds to get quicker, he'll be fit and ripped to start the season, and he'll have a big year.

2. Santana Moss - Shanahan will use him in the slot where he will feast on nickle backs, LB's, and safeties. Also, the coaches will find ways to get him the ball in space where he can do the most damage.

3, 4, and 5. Brian Orakpo, Jeremy Jarmon, and Chris Wilson - These players were made to be 3-4 OLB's. I expect them to terrorize QB's in 2010. Jarmon will get down to 260 and show off his speed and quickness.

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[quote=#56fanatic;679043]I'll give my opinion before reading the link. This is people who are on the roster, that should have increased playing time.

Orakpo would be my #1. He will be put into position to make more plays as a rush LB or in free space.
#2 would probably be - Haynesworth. If he is able to line up as a DE in the 3-4 system, i think he would absolutely be dominant.
#3 - goes to a couple of LB's....Blades and Wilson. Both of these guys could benefit from the 3-4 system. Blades playing inside along with London, and playing Wilson more on the outside. To me, he is the prototypical 3-4 OLB. He NEEDs to be on the field more. He just makes plays happen.
#4 - Campbell - Working with Shanahan and having some quality lineman in front of him, having two pretty damn good backs (as long as they are healthy) and having the WR being more aggressive in their routes, cooley and davis healthy - campbell could have a HUGE year!
#5 - Malcomb Kelly - if ready little Shannys expectations of Kelly didn't get you all pumped up, then check your pulse. He expects to use Kelly as he did Andre Davis in houston. Said he is just as big, just as fast and plans on getting him in mismatches as he did in houston. I look for Kelly to be a big part of the offense.

When you sit back and look at the possibilities of this offense it really is exciting. Devin Tomas and Malcomb Kelly hopefully playing together on the field, with davis and cooley, portis and johnson...man the possibilities are exciting. I left out Moss thinking I would trade him on draft day... but thats my opinion. i think we have 3 good recievers on this team saying the 3rd is Mitchell.[/quote]


Well said, based on this you bring up another topic 2010 season, i expect us to be competitive i'm not saying we are going to the playoffs/SB but we gotta be better than 2009.

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we were 4-12 for a reason so a lot of players have no where to go but up.

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my top 5 most improved players next year

1. Chris Wilson- He will turn into an all pro and eventual first ballot hall of famer after he puts up 15 plus sacks over the next 7 years. Future Redskins legend!

2. Clinton Portis- How could he get worse? He has nowhere to go but up from last season's performance

3. Jeremy Jarmon- I'd like to see him beef up to play defensive end rather than linebacker in the 3-4, and i think if he adds a little more weight he can play a big role in this defense. He showed flashes last year, and despite his injury i think he will have a nice impact.

4. Devin Thomas- Showed flashes last year, should keep improving with the new offense.

5. Jason Campbell- We are bringing the offense from Houston who has been very high powered. He did well imo last year under terrible pressure, and if the line is improved, he could put up big numbers.

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Chris Wilson: I'm not sure that he will "improve" but his production should increase owing to the scheme change

Devin Thomas: I'm expecting him to come into his own as the #1 receiver that we drafted him to be

Kevin Barnes: Should improve dramatically and see a lot more of the field

Chad Rinehart: I'm looking for him to start and play well

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I hope Jc and Kelly improve but i unfortantly don't see that happening. I was high on Kelly when he got drafted here but he just can't seem to get rid of that injury bug. Some guys are just like that , LB's Dan Morgon ( Panthers) and Andy Katzemeyor ( Patriots) among many others. Like i said ,i like the kid just dont see him getting on the feild enuff to improve.
And JC im a huge fan of ,i think he could win us a superbowl with a great defense around him. JC has the skills but he still wont have time to throw. People are saying he'll improve because are line has, but i just dont see it. If anything as of now we have a worse Oline ,loseing Samels and Thomas . I understand why there gone but when healthy both were very good. Artis Hicks should be a back up and so should most of the Olinemen we currently have signed.Dockery's proberly are best Olinemen which is sad ,and i dont know if his feet will be quick enuff for the new scheme. Now if we draft someone like Okung ,or bring in some more vets my feeling could change. But as of now i just dont see improvement there so i cant say JC will far any better then he has in the past. I do think the scheme fits Jc's talents better ,but untill we have a soild Oline we could have Tom Brady back there and still not able to score points.

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Honestly I think Malcolm Kelly has loads more potential than Thomas. Neither of these guys will replace Santana as the number 1, but I think Kelly will make a big name for himself and put up atleast 700-800 yards this upcoming season. Chris Cooley is gonna put up a great season with a combination of good blocking and 3rd down receptions. Reed Doughty will continue to play like he has been and get a chance to start all year and really help with any missed tackles up front.
I truely do believe that Rocky will be the most improved. He's still very young and has just started to create a name for himself and I see him doing great things at the inside linebacker position. He's got everything except that huge size to take out the run but we've got a guy name London Fletcer and Albert Haynesworth to worry about that right? So we'll see what happens, but any guess is really safe at this point.

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I hope the article is spot on but some conclusions are a little weak.

I mean everyone one hopes Kelly breaks out. In college he had great hands and a knack for creating separation. He's struggled mightily in the NFL mostly because of injury, but that means he's further back on the curve compared to Devin. If Devin is REALLY putting the time and effort in he will make us all love the offense again (single-handedly).

Laron will be an even bigger liability at SS and like other (wiser) folks have said it means we sit Doughty and/or Horton who are great value players for us. Laron misses tackles and avoids contact so he'll give up huge plays at SS...his value is roaming the backfield and keeping QBs from connecting w/ their WRs. He's been a step or two late more often than not so now for him to regain "respect" by opposing offenses he would have to pick off a handful of passes. Basically I think Landry's value just continues to decline so it's best to trade him sooner than later.

Orakpo will be awesome no matter what.

Rogers could respond well to the new regime and especially if he feels respected again...though it won't translate into INTs.

Rinehart is a question mark, no?

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[quote=The Goat;679085]
Laron will be an even bigger liability at SS and like other (wiser) folks have said it means we sit Doughty and/or Horton who are great value players for us. [B] Laron misses tackles and avoids contact so he'll give up huge plays at SS.[/B]..his value is roaming the backfield and keeping QBs from connecting w/ their WRs. He's been a step or two late more often than not so now for him to regain "respect" by opposing offenses he would have to pick off a handful of passes. Basically I think Landry's value just continues to decline so it's best to trade him sooner than later.

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Since when does Laron avoid contact? Theres a difference between missing and avoiding. Laron just can't take proper angles these days to save his life it doesn't mean that he should paired in the same category as Cromartie.

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My five (in order):
1. Devin Thomas (he can become the next Brandon Marshall).
2. Clinton Portis (healthy Clinton + Denver running scheme = 15 TDs).
3. Brian Orakpo (first year pro-bowl, second year all-pro).
4. Albert Haynesworth (he can only improve compared to last year).
5. Jason Campbell (contract year)

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LaRon Landry's play and confidence plummeted under Zorn's horrible coaching staff. Since G. Williams left, the [B]secondary[/B] and Landry took the biggest hit when they lost their vocal leader. They missed Williams on the sidelines barking out the secondary changes on the fly right up the snap. It was missing a respected (sometimes hated) leader that ensured the players were playing the proper technique and disciplined play.
Bringing back that confidence in the way our DB;s play is the key. I am not talking run your mouth confidence/cockiness, I am talking about the players being confidant in where they are supposed to be, in what in what they are doing and the ability to rely on each other. That was all lost under Blache/Zorn.
With a new attacking scheme and a much improved coaching staff, LaRon and our secondary has the biggest chance to show [B]immediate improvement without adding another player.[/B] Our secondary has the talent to be much better than what they showed the last two years.
The Landry and Rogers haters will be surprised.

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[quote=#56fanatic;679043]
#5 - Malcomb Kelly - if ready little Shannys expectations of Kelly didn't get you all pumped up, then check your pulse. He expects to use Kelly as he did [B]Andre Davis[/B] in houston. Said he is just as big, just as fast and plans on getting him in mismatches as he did in houston. I look for Kelly to be a big part of the offense.[/quote]
I really hope he does better than 6 catches for 59 yards. :silly:

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[quote=53Fan;679037]He's talking about which players will benefit most from changes in the coaching and scheme. For instance, there have been reports that Shanahan has told Kelly they will draw up plays to utilize his size.[/quote]


But why would he throw Rogers in their?
The secondary will largely remain unchanged except they'll play a little more Zone which would benefit Hall more then Rogers.

Either way i want to agree with those people that mentioned [B][I][U]Chris Wilson [/U][/I][/B]i think he's an ideal fit for a 3-4 OLB

I also want to add/agree with people that mentioned [U][I][B]Kevin Barnes [/B][/I][/U]and [B][I][U]Justin Tryon[/U][/I][/B]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;679089]Since when does Laron avoid contact? Theres a difference between missing and avoiding. Laron just can't take proper angles these days to save his life it doesn't mean that he should paired in the same category as Cromartie.[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhM8ssSSTK8]YouTube - Atlanta Falcons-Washington Redskins 31-17 Highlights NFL Week 9[/ame]

Watch the video. 25 sec in Turner puts the smack on Landry, which dictates the rest of Landry's game. At 2:10 Landry embarrasses himself, the franchise and the sport w/ his bullshit sideline hit. At 3:38 Turner gets the call up the gut and Landry has an open shot, instead he AVOIDS CONTACT and dives to the turf.

I agree w/ you Landry takes bad angles; however we disagree on the reason.

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[quote=30gut;679100][B]But why would he throw Rogers in their?[/B]
The secondary will largely remain unchanged except they'll play a little more Zone which would benefit Hall more then Rogers.

Either way i want to agree with those people that mentioned [B][I][U]Chris Wilson [/U][/I][/B]i think he's an ideal fit for a 3-4 OLB

I also want to add/agree with people that mentioned [U][I][B]Kevin Barnes [/B][/I][/U]and [B][I][U]Justin Tryon[/U][/I][/B][/quote]

Shananhan is impressed with Rogers. The feeling is that there was a lack of communication with Blache, and Rogers was basically treated bady compared to other players who made the same mistakes. The feeling from Tandler is the change of atmosphere and improved communication will benefit Rogers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;678992]I'm not sure about Rogers and Landry. I'm hoping they show more consistency but I'm not sure they will improve necessarily.

I can see their point about Orakpo going from very good to great.

Agree about Kelly, provided he's given the opportunity he's really got nowhere to go but up.

Rinehart has to lock up a starting job first.

I think the two guys I would have put on that list are Jeremy Jarmon and Anthony Alridge[/quote]
I have been wondering how Haslett is going to utilize Jarmon in this new defensive scheme. Jarmon is the classic tweener in the 3-4, too small to play end, too big to play OLB.

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LaRon doesn't avoid contact, he avoids tackling. It is as if tackling is beneath him.

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This one's a little out of the box, but Rex Grossman. I don't expect him to beat Campbell for a starting job, but as he gets older and matures I think he's naturally going to gravitate towards making smarter decisions. I bet he pushes Campbell in the preseason.

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[quote=Schneed10;679117]This one's a little out of the box, but Rex Grossman. I don't expect him to beat Campbell for a starting job, but as he gets older and matures I think he's naturally going to gravitate towards making smarter decisions. I bet he pushes Campbell in the preseason.[/quote]

I can definitely see that

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one would have to be jeremy jarmon...i'd love to see him get into the rotation this year...but you never can tell...feels like this is all a secret operatoin so far! but i like it!

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[quote=RMSkins;679109][B]I have been wondering how Haslett is going to utilize Jarmon in this new defensive scheme.[/B] Jarmon is the classic tweener in the 3-4, too small to play end, too big to play OLB.[/quote]

Same here. I think he's a hell of a DE but is he too small for the 3-4? Wherever they put him, he needs to be on the field, he's a baller. I believe Kirkland of Pittsburgh played around 270 at LB, hopefully Jarmon can too if that's where they want him.

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1. Devin Thomas
2. Laron Landry
3. Tim Tebow
4. Clinton Portis
5. Brian Orakpo

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[quote=Son Of Man;679132]1. Devin Thomas
2. Laron Landry
3. Tim Tebow
4. Clinton Portis
5. Brian Orakpo[/quote]

Sneaky ;)

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[quote=Gtothearry;679045]If Rogers can hold onto at least one INT that will be an improvement.[/quote]

Can someone get that guy lasik?!

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;679141]Can someone get that guy lasik?![/quote]
stick em is cheaper

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I'm not sure about the JC numbers I'm seeing. I think he will throw more TD's this season with improvement from the OL, however with more passing attempts will come more chances for picks. I'm thinking 27 TD / 16-19 INT's. Not solely all on JC, but the WR's are still improving, and he'll be facing another playbook to learn.