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Seriously, are these [URL="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62S40Q20100329"]9 idiots from Michigan[/URL] for real? [URL="http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/1995/199506.glastris.html"]Yes they are[/URL].

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Of course that's domestic terrorism. They planned to murder a cop and then ambush those who attended the funeral??? I mean WTF.

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I love this:

[QUOTE]Earlier that year, James's brother Terry Nichols had tried his own hand at finding his salvation in do-it-yourself legal reasoning. He didn't really owe that $31,000 in bank credit card debt, he announced to the court, because the banks had lent him "credit," not "legal tender." He offered to pay with what he called a "certified fractional reserve check"—a worthless piece of paper. "You can't follow their arguments," explains Judge Marcus, "because they're listening to a different music no one else hears."[/QUOTE]

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Religious fanatics...they're here in the US? Terroists? Here in the US, homegrown?...I only thought they only outside the country...interesting..

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pretty much just hard core nut jobs

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Anyone who forces their beliefs on other with force is a terrorist in my books.

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[quote=dmek25;679989]pretty much just hard core nut jobs[/quote]
You mean , thats not normal :)? What idiots ... hope they enjoy their new home and freedom .

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I heard one girl interviewed and she sounded like she was a funtional illiterate while drunk and high on buttcrack. The only way to know if she was on buttcrack is to smell and see if her breath smell like sewage.

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Innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe anything that the media says. They said that Koresh was molesting children. The government's solution was to burn all of them alive.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680016]Innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe anything that the media says. They said that Koresh was molesting children. The government's solution was to burn all of them alive.[/quote]

It's interesting that you cite Koresh seeing how he decided going to court and proving his innocence wasn't for him and his flock. Don't play with the Feds man, you might catch fire.

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[quote=saden1;680029]It's interesting that you cite Koresh seeing how he decided going to court and proving his innocence wasn't for him and his flock. Don't play with the Feds man, you might catch fire.[/quote]

I'm sure your God approves of you burning up children.

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Doesn't take a genius or a court of law to figure out these morons are trash.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680040]I'm sure your God approves of you burning up children.[/quote]

You're worried about children now? Your cold heart has been basking in some sun?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680016]Innocent until proven guilty. I don't believe anything that the media says. They said that Koresh was molesting children. [B]The government's solution was to burn all of them alive[/B].[/quote]
they were given more then enough chances to come out. our society is a lot safer without him

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definitely

I don't view it any differently from someone saying he's doing work in the name of Allah or Satan or whoever people worship

I'm tired of everyone trying to change everyone else's beliefs

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[quote=dmek25;680127]they were given more then enough chances to come out. our society is a lot safer without him[/quote] That doesn't make killing 81 women and children right . Waterboarding a few terrorist is torture , but killing American women & children are ok ?? The Feds could have taken Koresh at anytime as they knew his travel . We would all be safer without William Ayers , would it be ok if the Feds bombed the University he preaches at ? Not that I think you think that way , just making the point = the feds should have grabbed/killed DK , not the people that bought into him .

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[quote=budw38;680502]That doesn't make killing 81 women and children right . Waterboarding a few terrorist is torture , but killing American women & children are ok ?? The Feds could have taken Koresh at anytime as they knew his travel . We would all be safer without William Ayers , would it be ok if the Feds bombed the University he preaches at ? Not that I think you think that way , just making the point = the feds should have grabbed/killed DK , not the people that bought into him .[/quote]
I just don't get when the cops want someone its always knocking in their door and not just nabbing them off the street. We had a cop killed here last year kicking in some guys door who house had been broken into several night before. He got freaked out and shot through the door killing the cop. This kid was some small time pot pusher who had a day job but they wait until late night to go kicking in his door. Why not just wait for him to come out of work and get him when he goes to his car? A jury was easy on him because of this and he only got 10 years.

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[quote=firstdown;680507]I just don't get when the cops want someone its always knocking in their door and not just nabbing them off the street. We had a cop killed here last year kicking in some guys door who house had been broken into several night before. He got freaked out and shot through the door killing the cop. This kid was some small time pot pusher who had a day job but they wait until late night to go kicking in his door. Why not just wait for him to come out of work and get him when he goes to his car?[/quote]
Maybe sometimes they almost have to grab them asap ? As far as Koresh , The FBI had gotten into the " cult " and knew his schedule , and could have grabbed him alone at anytime , twice a week .

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This whole thing stinks of a smear job to me. My gut tells me that they put in an agent provocateur to get these yokkles over the line. These dumb asses waranted helicopters and body armor, yet Jamad Al-Fuqra recruits fellons and trains with weapons? I haven't heard about any of their mosques being closed down. Remember the Snipers? They actually killed people.

It's easy to convince a bunch of rednecks to make bombs. Most of the ones I know learned how to make pipe-bombs in high school. This is smear job if you ask me. These guys are a bunch of DA patsies that took the fall for a Federal objective, to label all militia members as cop killers in the minds of law enforcement.

Yeah they have plenty of resources for a few rednecks but when it comes to Mexicans smuggling black tar heroin over the border, well . . . yeah right. I know what's up.

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Oh yeah, what about this BS that they were going to use WMDs on the cops? Get the eff out of here.

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[quote=dmek25;680127]they were given more then enough chances to come out. our society is a lot safer without him[/quote]

And y'all think I'm screwed up? You're twisted.

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The bitch set me up!

:doh:

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680522]Oh yeah, what about this BS that they were going to use WMDs on the cops? Get the eff out of here.[/quote]

Hmmm.........Copper WMD?
........Donut bomb????

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680527]And y'all think I'm screwed up? You're twisted.[/quote]
you don't think we are safer?

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[quote=hooskins;679994]Anyone who forces their beliefs on other with force is a terrorist in my books.[/quote]


Does that include the US government?

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[quote=dmek25;680541]you don't think we are safer?[/quote]

I wouldn't trade my freedom for safety. You feel good about kids getting cooked? That makes you feel safe? Who gives a damn about Koresh? I'm talking about the people the US Gov got killed, including their own.

Does it make you feel safe that cops are using military hardware now? Since when do cops start wearing kevlar? SWAT looking for a Meth lab with a warrant from a Federal judge, yeah I get that. Locking up a bunch of dumb ass hillbillies? WMD on cops, BS! Donut flavoured Sarin gas? :bs:

How you have any faith in these people is beyond me? They'd eff up a wet dream.

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Barricaded in their building, seventy-six Branch Davidians, including Koresh, did not survive the fire. Seventeen of these victims were children under the age of 17. The Danforth Report claims that those who died were unable, or unwilling, to flee and that Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, probably shot Koresh and killed himself with the same gun. Waco: The Rules of Engagement claims that FBI sharpshooters fired on, and killed, many Branch Davidians who attempted to flee the flames. Testimony by the few Branch Davidians who did successfully flee the fire supports this claim. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Branch Davidians were shot, including 5 children. The Danforth Report concluded that [B]the adults who died of gunshot wounds shot themselves[/B] [B]after shooting the children[/B].
as far as wearing Kevlar, do you remember the big shootout in downtown L.A a couple of years ago? i do not think that kids needed to die that day. but i do think Koresh was certifiably insane. he wasn't going peacefully

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The FBI had two agents that were in the compound , posing as members . The feds knew when Koresh went into town/bank ... they never had a reason to use tanks and shart shooters . The " home " was far from any town , they were isolated from the public , so " we " were not in danger from them . That deal was more about " the gov't will show you " than about protecting the people . Amazing how that admin. refused our troops in Somalia tanks / Armour P.C.'s , but gave the OK to J. Reno to use tanks against US citizens ... just saying .

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[quote=hooskins;679994]Anyone who forces their beliefs on other with force is a terrorist in my books.[/quote]

That would pretty much encompass parents all over the world.

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[quote=dmek25;680616]Barricaded in their building, seventy-six Branch Davidians, including Koresh, did not survive the fire. Seventeen of these victims were children under the age of 17. The Danforth Report claims that those who died were unable, or unwilling, to flee and that Steve Schneider, Koresh's right-hand man, probably shot Koresh and killed himself with the same gun. Waco: The Rules of Engagement claims that FBI sharpshooters fired on, and killed, many Branch Davidians who attempted to flee the flames. Testimony by the few Branch Davidians who did successfully flee the fire supports this claim. Autopsy records indicate that at least 20 Branch Davidians were shot, including 5 children. The Danforth Report concluded that [B]the adults who died of gunshot wounds shot themselves[/B] [B]after shooting the children[/B].
as far as wearing Kevlar, do you remember the big shootout in downtown L.A a couple of years ago? i do not think that kids needed to die that day. but i do think Koresh was certifiably insane. he wasn't going peacefully[/quote]

I don't buy that. You can absolve the Gov of this if you want. They have blood on their hands IMO.

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Back to the original topic...[URL="http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1001/rss01"]certifiable indeed[/URL].

[QUOTE]A member of the Hutaree militia charged with federal crimes was upset because she thought that President Barack Obama had signed into law this month a bill that would spend $20 billion to help the terrorist group Hamas settle in the U.S.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=saden1;680886]Back to the original topic...[URL="http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1001/rss01"]certifiable indeed[/URL].[/quote]

Not hard to believe seeing how Clinton brought in Kosovars & Albanians into the US after the war. Oh and lets not forget that Reagan saved the PLO's bacon once. You're the genius Saden, how much money in foreign aid does the American taxpayer give to Hamas for "peace" ?

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[quote=saden1;680886]Back to the original topic...[URL="http://www.freep.com/article/20100331/NEWS06/100331050/1001/rss01"]certifiable indeed[/URL].[/quote]

You should see the blogs and message boards for freaks like this.

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[quote=tryfuhl;680935]You should see the blogs and message boards for freaks like this.[/quote]

What are you doing hanging out on message boards and blogs where you would see stuff like that? No wonder your against unwarranted domestic wiretaps.[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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These people are religious nuts...she seriously believes that crap?...

Islamic fanatic = Christian fanatic

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;680934]Not hard to believe seeing how Clinton brought in Kosovars & Albanians into the US after the war. Oh and lets not forget that Reagan saved the PLO's bacon once. [B]You're the genius Saden[/B], how much money in foreign aid does the American taxpayer give to Hamas for "peace" ?[/quote]

Yes I am.

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[quote=Chico23231;680939]These people are religious nuts...she seriously believes that crap?...

Islamic fanatic = Christian fanatic[/quote]Just a couple quick points of clarification. Your statement Islamic fanatic = Christian fanatic isn't accurate.

How many innocent people have been murdered in the last 10 years by "Christian fanatics". How many by Islamic fanatics? By a VERY wide margin there have been far more murders by Islamic fanatics. Just to throw out a quick few: USS Cole, 9/11, Bali nightclub, train attack in Spain, subway bombing in England, school in Russia, etc., etc., etc.

While these nutjobs were "planning" this attack, they never executed the plan. Not to say they wouldn't have, but the fact is they weren't able to follow through.

The timing is a little too convenient, similar to Clinton blowing up the aspirin factory in Sudan during the Lewinsky scandal. Right thing to do, but motivation for moving forward was probably purely political. Right on the heels of the Health Care debate which was unfavorable in public opinion, the Obama Admin is quickly doing everything it can to change the public discourse to somethng favoring them. This case is going to be the poster child for backing up the DHS report stating that "domestic terrorists" are a larger threat than Islamic terrorists. Charging these guys with WMD is simply to satisfy the statute to classify these animals as terrorists.

Should these idiots be prosecuted and thrown away, absolutely. But the Dems, Obama Admin, and White House's media arms (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) will be using this as a major political tool.

And please....don't bother with the "what about Bush & Iraq!" retort. It's 2010.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;681011]Just a couple quick points of clarification. Your statement Islamic fanatic = Christian fanatic isn't accurate.

How many innocent people have been murdered in the last 10 years by "Christian fanatics". How many by Islamic fanatics? By a VERY wide margin there have been far more murders by Islamic fanatics. Just to throw out a quick few: USS Cole, 9/11, Bali nightclub, train attack in Spain, subway bombing in England, school in Russia, etc., etc., etc.

While these nutjobs were "planning" this attack, they never executed the plan. Not to say they wouldn't have, but the fact is they weren't able to follow through.

The timing is a little too convenient, similar to Clinton blowing up the aspirin factory in Sudan during the Lewinsky scandal. Right thing to do, but motivation for moving forward was probably purely political. Right on the heels of the Health Care debate which was unfavorable in public opinion, the Obama Admin is quickly doing everything it can to change the public discourse to somethng favoring them. This case is going to be the poster child for backing up the DHS report stating that "domestic terrorists" are a larger threat than Islamic terrorists. Charging these guys with WMD is simply to satisfy the statute to classify these animals as terrorists.

Should these idiots be prosecuted and thrown away, absolutely. But the Dems, Obama Admin, and White House's media arms (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) will be using this as a major political tool.

And please....don't bother with the "what about Bush & Iraq!" retort. It's 2010.[/quote]

Why go back only 10 years? Shoot, how many innocent people have been murdered in the last 10th of a microsecond by "muslim fanatics?" Everyone can play the rigging game.

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I guess it depends. This kid that I used to know, not the type to lie, his family from him to his parents to his grandmother (that's all that I knew) swore that missionaries burnt down his village in Argentina because nobody there really wanted to listen to them about converting to Christianity. Kid seemed really disturbed around it and can't stand to be around preachy people, really nice kid though.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;681011]Just a couple quick points of clarification. Your statement Islamic fanatic = Christian fanatic isn't accurate.

How many innocent people have been murdered in the last 10 years by "Christian fanatics". How many by Islamic fanatics? By a VERY wide margin there have been far more murders by Islamic fanatics. Just to throw out a quick few: USS Cole, 9/11, Bali nightclub, train attack in Spain, subway bombing in England, school in Russia, etc., etc., etc.

While these nutjobs were "planning" this attack, they never executed the plan. Not to say they wouldn't have, but the fact is they weren't able to follow through.

The timing is a little too convenient, similar to Clinton blowing up the aspirin factory in Sudan during the Lewinsky scandal. Right thing to do, but motivation for moving forward was probably purely political. Right on the heels of the Health Care debate which was unfavorable in public opinion, the Obama Admin is quickly doing everything it can to change the public discourse to somethng favoring them. This case is going to be the poster child for backing up the DHS report stating that "domestic terrorists" are a larger threat than Islamic terrorists. Charging these guys with WMD is simply to satisfy the statute to classify these animals as terrorists.

Should these idiots be prosecuted and thrown away, absolutely. But the Dems, Obama Admin, and White House's media arms (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) will be using this as a major political tool.

And please....don't bother with the "what about Bush & Iraq!" retort. It's 2010.[/quote]

Your close but you just can't seem to take that extra step.