Top Players in the 2010 Draft
 

Last year, when the Redskins picked at 13, they picked with plenty of available future superstars available (Oher, Mack, Orakpo), and actually ended up landing one thanks to reaches by Oakland, Buffalo, and Denver ahead of them, not to mention the unnatural inflation of a weakened QB class.

This year, with the Redskins picking at No. 4, there's far less doubt that excellent players will be available when the Redskins pick, so the pre-draft emphasis should be about identifying them and selecting one of the excellent players.

We already have a thread about late round gems, and a thread for each quarterback that is supposed to get drafted in the top two rounds, but I thought we could use a position-neutral thread to discuss the draft stock of players that you, personally, are high on. Specifically, this thread is for players you would like to select with either the first or second round draft choice, not for players who you feel will fall in the draft.

Don't concern yourself with positional need here. If you think the Redskins should seriously consider Earl Thomas or Joe Haden or Sean Weatherspoon or CJ Spiller or Dez Bryant because they could help the team, throw those names out here. The idea is to promote awareness about players who could be Redskins in the near future, even though draft discussion on the 4th pick tends to be limited to offensive tackles and quarterbacks. Links to scouting reports and draft stock updates are encouraged.

Focus specifically on players who, in your eyes, are going to be superstars in the NFL someday.

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GTripp's future offensive superstars:

-RB Ryan Mathews
-WR Golden Tate
-WR Dez Bryant
-RB CJ Spiller
-OT Russell Okung
-OT Trent Williams
-G Mike Iupati

GTripp's future defensive superstars

-DT Ndamakong Suh
-DT Gerald McCoy
-DE Everson Griffen
-DE Brandon Graham
-LB Jerry Hughes
-LB Sean Weatherspoon
-CB Joe Haden

That's an exhaustive list right now for me. I might add and subtract later. 14 players is a lot of superstars, so I can't imagine I'm right on all these guys (or even half), but this draft class is going to make a lot of teams look good, much like in 2004.

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Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida

A beast who emerges from the second round (maybe)

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I agree with most of GTripp's picks.

I also like Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech. I think if someone makes him a 3-4 OLB, he's got DeMarcus Ware type of potential. But I don't think he'll be a Redskins since we took Rak last year. I just love the kid's athleticism so I threw him out there.

Rolando McClain and Brandon Spikes will both be stud ILB's for a long time. While we're talking LBs, I also like Daryl Washington from TCU.

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I felt like with all this QB drama I should take a few hours and just watch all the video I could on the top prospects. Here is what I've decided.

#1. Jimmy Clausen: I watched 4 full games and lots of highlight videos of this kid. I must say he really impressed me. It's a completely different thing when you see a full game video, and the way he handles pressure and is able to extend plays is next to nothing. He has a decent arm and you could tell that the power on the ball was much slower in deep passes, but still nothing too question. Great acuracy and the only issue I think that will affect him is that he's always looking to his #1 receiver on the right and sometimes you'll see a wide open TE or #2 WR, and he'll still throw into coverage (and usually get's through it). *Watch the Washington vs. ND game to understand.

#2. I would put Tim Tebow here, but I just can't lol.. I'll keep this empty because it's impossible to neglect how much success he had in college and even if his game won't translate, he should be here.

#3. Sam Bradford: I find most of his throws are always to wide open receivers? I don't really understand how this is, but they are ALWAYS open?! Other than that, he has great accuracy there is no doubt about it but also didn't have to deal with pressure. He seems to take his time, drop back a bit check all his receivers and then throw. These alone brought him down, but I still think with the amount of yards he managed to put up in 08-09, he'll be successful.

Anyways, after doing this I feel much less worried about who we pick with #4. I hope it's Clausen at this point and we let the Rams ruin the potential Bradford could have.

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[quote=GTripp0012;680085]GTripp's future offensive superstars:

-RB Ryan Mathews
-WR Golden Tate
-WR Dez Bryant
-RB CJ Spiller
-OT Russell Okung
-OT Trent Williams
-G Mike Iupati

GTripp's future defensive superstars

-DT Ndamakong Suh
-DT Gerald McCoy
-DE Everson Griffen
-DE Brandon Graham
-LB Jerry Hughes
-LB Sean Weatherspoon
-CB Joe Haden

That's an exhaustive list right now for me. I might add and subtract later. 14 players is a lot of superstars, so I can't imagine I'm right on all these guys (or even half), but this draft class is going to make a lot of teams look good, much like in 2004.[/quote]

Ummm......no Berry on your list......Really?

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[quote=GMScud;680092]I also like Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech. I think if someone makes him a 3-4 OLB, he's got DeMarcus Ware type of potential. But I don't think he'll be a Redskins since we took Rak last year. I just love the kid's athleticism so I threw him out there.
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Orakpo has Demarcus Ware potential. They should play him just like Cowboys play Ware.

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was expecting to see a safety

don't really watch enough college ball to know

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;680151]Orakpo has Demarcus Ware potential. They should play him just like Cowboys play Ware.[/quote]

I agree. Orakpo can be a sack machine and shatter Redskin sack records before he's done.

I think I'd add Berry and Pouncey to GTripps list just off the top of my head.

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[quote=GMScud;680092]I agree with most of GTripp's picks.

[B]I also like Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech[/B]. I think if someone makes him a 3-4 OLB, he's got DeMarcus Ware type of potential. But I don't think he'll be a Redskins since we took Rak last year. I just love the kid's athleticism so I threw him out there.

Rolando McClain and Brandon Spikes will both be stud ILB's for a long time. While we're talking LBs, I also like Daryl Washington from TCU.[/quote]

You mean Derrick Morgan, MJ came out of the draft last year.

The top players in this years draft regardless of our need in my opinion is

1. Ndamakung Suh
2. CJ Spiller
3. Eric Berry
4. Sam Bradford
5. Russell Okung
6. Rolando McClain
7. Gerald McCoy
8. Joe Haden
9. Dez Bryant
10. Bryan Bulaga

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[quote=CultBrennan59;680155][B]You mean Derrick Morgan[/B], MJ came out of the draft last year.

The top players in this years draft regardless of our need in my opinion is

1. Ndamakung Suh
2. CJ Spiller
3. Eric Berry
4. Sam Bradford
5. Russell Okung
6. Rolando McClain
7. Gerald McCoy
8. Joe Haden
9. Dez Bryant
10. Bryan Bulaga[/quote]

Yeah, him. Fail on my part.

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[quote=SOUL-SKINS;680129]Ummm......no Berry on your list......Really?[/quote]Intentional omission.

First round value, elite ball skills. Mediocre play recognition skills make his ultimate ceiling a very good, but not elite, cover safety.

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Sam Bradford to me is the best player in the draft and the rare 1st overall pick (likely) that can transform a franchise. If he goes to St. Louis I like his chances at one day playing at an elite level. If he comes to Washington to pair with Shanahan, I LOVE his chances at it.

His accuracy is not something you often see from QBs in college. If you watch Tebow and Clausen, you see receivers often having to wait for the ball on deep routes, or adjust stride to compensate for the throw. Bradford's throws are on a dime, so, so often. To me, he's the next Troy Aikman.

Question is, what would Aikman have been without Norv Turner and Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin and Jay Novacek and that offensive line? Good question, that's why Bradford's better off here than he is in St. Louis.

I want Bradford, bad.

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[quote=Schneed10;680286]Sam Bradford to me is the best player in the draft and the rare 1st overall pick (likely) that can transform a franchise. If he goes to St. Louis I like his chances at one day playing at an elite level. If he comes to Washington to pair with Shanahan, I LOVE his chances at it.

His accuracy is not something you often see from QBs in college. If you watch Tebow and Clausen, you see receivers often having to wait for the ball on deep routes, or adjust stride to compensate for the throw. Bradford's throws are on a dime, so, so often. To me, he's the next Troy Aikman.

Question is, what would Aikman have been without Norv Turner and Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin and Jay Novacek and that offensive line? Good question, that's why Bradford's better off here than he is in St. Louis.
[B]
I want Bradford, bad.[/B][/quote]
Does Mrs Schneed know this. :pimp:

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Not to belabor the Bradford lovefest I'm tossing out here, but I think it's worth noting. Yeah he played in the spread and yeah he'll take some time adjusting to a pro style offense.

But he has a ton of poise in the pocket. You can see on the tape countless instances where he was blitzed up the middle and had guys bearing down on him, but he stood in and delivered the throw without panicking, and without getting jittery. If you think about it, that's how he got his shoulder hurt against BYU. He had a safety bearing down on him, but he waited for the receiver to get open and delivered the ball accurately. Only then did he get driven into the ground and his shoulder hurt.

And that's not to say he's some statue back there waiting to get hit. He moves around in the pocket pretty well avoiding a lot of rush, just enough to buy time to throw. You can tell when he's avoiding the rush he's not looking to run, he's trying to buy the time for the WR so he can make a throw.

I see tremendous pocket presence, unbelievable accuracy, and an extremely well-grounded and smart guy. I think he picks up the pro-style offense relatively quickly and has a tremendous career.

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I've kind of jumped on the Bradford bandwagon after hearing about that Pro Day. Yes, that absolutely makes me a sucker for holding a lot of stock in that, but you're right, his accuracy is nuts.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;680293]I've kind of jumped on the Bradford bandwagon after hearing about that Pro Day. Yes, that absolutely makes me a sucker for holding a lot of stock in that, but you're right, his accuracy is nuts.[/quote]

And it's not just in a pro-day in shorts with nobody rushing him. The tape shows he calmly drops dimes even when dudes are about to crush him.

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^ and Bradford is not just supremely accurate, he has a lightning quick release. With accurate throws and a quick release, a QB can go far in the NFL.

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Having pored over several "coaches" tapes of the top prospects, the two guys who excite me the most are Bradford and Spiller. I would be thrilled with either of them at 4 and then an OL in the 2nd. I don't feel we have the luxury or resources to trade up to 1 to get Bradford so I wouldn't go for that. But whoever gets those guys is going to be very lucky. Then there's Dez Bryant, who is possibly the biggest question mark. I think Skinsfan69 but it best. Ultimate risk-reward

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To me Eric Berry is going to be a can't miss. The guy has the work ethic, he knows how to tackle, he's a leader and he's a playmaker. He's exactly what this teams needs. IMO we should seriously think about drafting him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;680085]GTripp's future offensive superstars:

-RB Ryan Mathews
-WR Golden Tate
-WR Dez Bryant
-RB CJ Spiller
-OT Russell Okung
-OT Trent Williams
-G Mike Iupati

GTripp's future defensive superstars

-DT Ndamakong Suh
-DT Gerald McCoy
-DE Everson Griffen
-DE Brandon Graham
-LB Jerry Hughes
-LB Sean Weatherspoon
-CB Joe Haden

That's an exhaustive list right now for me. I might add and subtract later. 14 players is a lot of superstars, so I can't imagine I'm right on all these guys (or even half), but this draft class is going to make a lot of teams look good, much like in 2004.[/quote]

You think Hughes & Weatherspoon will be more successful than Rolando McClain?

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I agree with the poise factor on bradford...and you have to love his wonderlic score. Most QB's who score HIGH on that test, tend to do well in the pro's. Both Manning brothers, Drew Bree's and Rivers all scored in the 30's i belive...doesn't really mean that you can't be good w/o it, I mean vince young did score a 6 on it...which is mildly retarded.

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[quote=Schneed10;680292]Not to belabor the Bradford lovefest I'm tossing out here, but I think it's worth noting. Yeah he played in the spread and yeah he'll take some time adjusting to a pro style offense.

But he has a ton of poise in the pocket. You can see on the tape countless instances where he was blitzed up the middle and had guys bearing down on him, but he stood in and delivered the throw without panicking, and without getting jittery. If you think about it, that's how he got his shoulder hurt against BYU. He had a safety bearing down on him, but he waited for the receiver to get open and delivered the ball accurately. Only then did he get driven into the ground and his shoulder hurt.

And that's not to say he's some statue back there waiting to get hit. He moves around in the pocket pretty well avoiding a lot of rush, just enough to buy time to throw. You can tell when he's avoiding the rush he's not looking to run, he's trying to buy the time for the WR so he can make a throw.

[B]I see tremendous pocket presence, unbelievable accuracy, and an extremely well-grounded and smart guy. I think he picks up the pro-style offense relatively quickly and has a tremendous career[/B].[/quote]

I have to agree. After seeing that his injury hasn't had any adverse affects on his throwing, in fact he looks stronger, I think Bradford is the best QB prospect to come out in a long time.

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[quote=tootergray34;680341]I agree with the poise factor on bradford...and you have to love his wonderlic score. Most QB's who score HIGH on that test, tend to do well in the pro's. Both Manning brothers, Drew Bree's and Rivers all scored in the 30's i belive...doesn't really mean that you can't be good w/o it, I mean vince young did score a 6 on it...which is mildly retarded.[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfan69;680337]To me Eric Berry is going to be a can't miss. The guy has the work ethic, he knows how to tackle, he's a leader and he's a playmaker. He's exactly what this teams needs. IMO we should seriously think about drafting him.[/quote]

I just cant justify drafting a safety at number 4. The guy is talented and I saw him play several times this season, IMO he is not a top ten pick. This team has much much more pressing needs especially all over Offense. On defense I think Linebacker and if we are seriously thinking 3-4 our Nosetackle position is not solidified by any means are the biggest worries. FS is a modest need, but not a #4 pick in the draft. I say vote No for Marion Berry in 2010 in DC .

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[quote=tootergray34;680341]I agree with the poise factor on bradford...and you have to love his wonderlic score. Most QB's who score HIGH on that test, tend to do well in the pro's. Both Manning brothers, Drew Bree's and Rivers all scored in the 30's i belive...doesn't really mean that you can't be good w/o it, I mean vince young did score a 6 on it...which is mildly retarded.[/quote]

While that test doesn't tell you that much, you can get a feel for who's a bright guy and who's a retard just by talking to them. Listening to Vince Young do one interview is all you need to realize the guy is a bad decision waiting to happen. Bradford reminds me of Brees, Brady, Manning, Aikman, Steve Young, Elway... in that he's a well-grounded, well-spoken, sharp kid. And you can tell he's not the type to make a lot of dumb decisions.

Evaluating this part of a person can be done on the first impression. It just takes a one-hour sit-down and you know immediately if a guy is a moron or is bright. Hell, I can tell after a few posts on this board who are the dummies.

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I had the craziest dream last night about the draft. Turns out I missed the draft for some reason but I was checking who we picked and we got a 3-4 DE from Penn State at #4 and then somehow picked up an extra second round pick and took two running backs. One from Wisconsin the other from Youngstown State. I think my dream was a nightmare.

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[quote=Chico23231;680375]I just cant justify drafting a safety at number 4. The guy is talented and I saw him play several times this season, IMO he is not a top ten pick. This team has much much more pressing needs especially all over Offense. On defense I think Linebacker and if we are seriously thinking 3-4 our Nosetackle position is not solidified by any means are the biggest worries. FS is a modest need, but not a #4 pick in the draft. I say vote No for Marion Berry in 2010 in DC .[/quote]

That's why you trade down and hope to get him and if you do, then trade Landry.

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My offense potental superstars.

RB- CJ spiller ( Has the Skills to succed in the nfl and make an impact day one )
Wr- D Thomas ( First guy ive seen in a while with true Randy Moss potental )
WR- J Shipley ( think will become a Wes Welker type ,great routes ,hard worker )
OT- Okug ( every year theres one OT that becomes great ,Okug is this years )
OL- Vladmir Duccasse ( think he will move to guard ,and be a strarter for many years)

Dt- Suh ( nuff said)
DT- G McCoy ( stud )
DL- J Ordick ( Versital ,and appers to be the next Ricard Seymore )
ILB- R Mclain ( will be all over the feild making tackels)
CB- Joe Haden ( Not a true ball hawk or cover corner , but can do both well if not great )
CB - Pat Robinson ( think will devolp into a shut down corner )

I agree with the Berry thinking of good not great ,and don't trust any of these QBs ,exspeacaly with some of the injury concerns. Alot of my choices won't be popular ,which i understand but alot of todays superstars are not first round picks. These guys would not nessaraly be my top 11 on my draft board ,but it's all a guessing game anyway.If i hit on some non obvis players im a genus , if i don't no ones really that surprised. But i do belive all thouse players will be succesful in the nfl ,with potental to be great.

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I don't pretend to know about all these guys, but Bradford, Okung, Suh seem to locks.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;680387]That's why you trade down and hope to get him and if you do, then trade Landry.[/quote]

I wish trading down was easier said than done, but if we did I would hope it would be for a Trent Williams or that Whale-Man-Beast from Iowa Brian "Beluga"...Id say Bradford or OL first round

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Offense:
Sam Bradford- Best QB prospect to come along in the past 3 years IMO
Colt McCoy- Reminds me of Drew Breeze and did well with a bad oline- could become like Aaron Rodgers
Dexter McCluster will be this years Eddie Royal
Golden Tate- smart hard worker

Mike Iupati- He will be the top OG with in 3 years
Bryan Bulaga- saw some college tape and he was manhadling dudes, hopefully he can stay healthy