Tebow - More Upside than Downside for a franchise......
 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfPxxaKVYro&feature=PlayList&p=6B252775A6BE3253&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43]YouTube - The Chosen One : Tim Tebow Career Highlights[/ame]

Watching the above, which I stumbled upon during surfing this evening, I had to ask myself, "Would having this guy, tough, determined, and willing to do anything necessary to succeed (ie change his throwing delivery), be such a bad thing? I think he would be a great face for the franchise, able to grind some tough yards when needed, and will bust 90% of the DT's in the NFL in the mouth without a seconds thought. He is that tough, and someone that tough that can throw 60 yards + and is a born leader???? We have to take a chance on this guy.......

I was at first against the idea of him as our QB, but the more I watch him, the more ppl keep saying he can't, yet he still shows determination to win and at least try.......The more I root for him and hope our F.O picks him up, or at least discusses him as an option for the franchises future. I believe that he IS that good, and with proper mechanics, which I am sure an athlete of his calibre can fix, will be a pro bowl QB in the NFL before u know it.

Trade Rogers and Carter for another second rounder to pick this guy up, and u have your OL and your QB taken care of. GO SKINS!!!!

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We'll see how long this thread stays open, but while we're getting caught up in Tebow-ness, I'll throw this one out there as far as a great video:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9vVSU9CXGQ]YouTube - The Legacy of Tim Tebow[/ame]

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i wouldnt be opposed to drafting Tebow.

not even a lil bit...

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The guy definitely will get a shot somewhere, and I would prefer he be on our team than seeing him in, say, a Cowgirls jersey, and then have him bowling over Landry and Rogers ala Brandon Jacobs style. That would suck, lol.......

I really think he could take this franchise nowhere but up.......nothing but upside.....

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Good thing that we are talking about Tebow AGAIN.

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[quote=Mechanix544;680097]The guy definitely will get a shot somewhere, and I would prefer he be on our team than seeing him in, say, a Cowgirls jersey, and then have him bowling over Landry and Rogers ala Brandon Jacobs style. That would suck, lol.......

I really think he could take this franchise nowhere but up.......nothing but upside.....[/quote]


Dude any QB with his mechanics down and has a keen mind could take this franchise nowhere but up. That isn't such a hard feat once we rebuild the O line. Shoot if Allen was able to totally rebuild the line this preseason JC could end up in the Pro Bowl.

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Yeah, I would love to get Tebow in say the 5th or 6th round anything higher than that is plan STUPID!! Please get off of this Tebow is God kick. This has been discussed in several other threads. Tebow isn't an NFL QB, please move on from this.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;680120]Dude any QB with his mechanics down and has a keen mind could take this franchise nowhere but up. That isn't such a hard feat once we rebuild the O line. [B]Shoot if Allen was able to totally rebuild the line this preseason JC could end up in the Pro Bowl[/B].[/quote]

Yup. I think despite all the Tebow/Bradford/Clausen drooling/debate that has been going on around here, the best odds tilt in favor of Campbell making big strides under Shanahan and keeping his job. Hell, Shanahan made Brian Greise and Jake Plummer look pretty damn good.

Then again, maybe Shanny is thinking, "well if I made those bums look good, imagine what I could do with Bradford (or Clausen/Tebow/McCoy)?"

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[quote=GMScud;680133]Yup. I think despite all the Tebow/Bradford/Clausen drooling/debate that has been going on around here, the best odds tilt in favor of Campbell making big strides under Shanahan and keeping his job. Hell, Shanahan made Brian Greise and Jake Plummer look pretty damn good.

Then again, maybe Shanny is thinking, "well if I made those bums look good, imagine what I could do with Bradford (or Clausen/Tebow/McCoy)?"[/quote]

Remember what Shanahan did when he had a good QB in John Elway? Let's go after the franchise QB.

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[quote=theJBexperience;680135]Remember what Shanahan did when he had a good QB in John Elway? [B]Let's go after the franchise QB[/B].[/quote]

So which of these four is that guy in your opinion? I think Bradford is the safest bet. After him it's a crapshoot IMO, and I don't there's any way St. Louis passes on him.

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[quote=Mechanix544;680087].....I think he would be a great face for the franchise, able to grind some tough yards when needed, [B]and will bust 90% of the DT's in the NFL in the mouth without a seconds thought[/B]. [/quote]-Tim Tebow CAN believe it's not butter.
-Tim Tebow can divide by zero.
-Tim Tebow's hand is the only hand that beats a Royal Flush.
-Tim Tebow has 12 moons. One of those moons is the Earth.
-Tim Tebow doesn't throw up if he drinks too much. Tim Tebow throws down!
-Tim Tebow caught the road runner, then kicked Wil E. Coyote's ass for being a bitch.
-There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Tim Tebow lives in Florida.

Seriously though, don't buy the hype. Check out :42-49 and see what happens when Tebow faces an NFL rookie level LB. What'll happen when he faces NFL starting LBs? NFL DTs....he'll crumple worse than McCoy at the Rose Bowl

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-MczI5ly_o"]YouTube - Senior Bowl Highlights (2010)[/ame]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;680141]-Tim Tebow CAN believe it's not butter.
-Tim Tebow can divide by zero.
-Tim Tebow's hand is the only hand that beats a Royal Flush.
-Tim Tebow has 12 moons. One of those moons is the Earth.
-Tim Tebow doesn't throw up if he drinks too much. Tim Tebow throws down!
-Tim Tebow caught the road runner, then kicked Wil E. Coyote's ass for being a bitch.
-There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Tim Tebow lives in Florida.

Seriously though, don't buy the hype. Check out :42-49 and see what happens when Tebow faces an NFL rookie level LB. What'll happen when he faces NFL starting LBs? NFL DTs....he'll crumple worse than McCoy at the Rose Bowl
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-MczI5ly_o"][/URL][/quote]

I'm as big a Tebow fan as anyone, but he never ran through defensive tackles. Not sure where Mechanix got that. Also, there aren't too many NFL RB's that run over starting LB's regularly. Tebow is a hard runner with some serious lower body strength. He could move some piles in the NFL, and on occasion he could run through a LB or two. But anyone who thinks he'll dominate as a runner in the NFL like he did in college is smoking something. Also, if he makes it as an NFL QB, I'm pretty sure he'll have specific instructions NOT to take defenders head on, despite what his instincts tell him.

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[quote=Lotus;680100]Good thing that we are talking about Tebow AGAIN.[/quote]

Dude we haven't even starched the surface on Tebow. You think the Campbell talks were bad, you ain't seen nothing yet.

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Tim Tebow doesn't read, he just stares down books until they give him all the information he wants.

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[quote=theJBexperience;680135]Remember what Shanahan did when he had a good QB in John Elway? Let's go after the franchise QB.[/quote]


Franchise QBs are very rare anymore and are often not the ones that are hyped. I smell a possible Carr/Harrington/Ramsey scenario panning out. These guys( bradford, Tebow, McCoy) have always gone into a game being a marked favorite, with a few exceptions. Parity in the league is going to take its toll. Get a Qb that can handle parity and can win when the odds are not in his favor. Why? Because the guy that is going to come here is going to face equal to superior opponents every weekend.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;680141]
Seriously though, don't buy the hype. Check out :42-49 and see what happens when Tebow faces an NFL rookie level LB. What'll happen when he faces NFL starting LBs? NFL DTs....he'll crumple worse than McCoy at the Rose Bowl

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-MczI5ly_o"]YouTube - Senior Bowl Highlights (2010)[/url][/quote]

You're talking about a guy that was going to a pro style system after four years and playing the Senior Bowl with Strep Throat. I'm not totally sold on the guy as a pro but I am comfortable with a guy like that being coached by someone named Shanahan.

At the very least he'll get our team to do this:
[YT]HpiMUKfSKIQ[/YT]

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my niece could run through a piece of drywall

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The just shows you how tough tebow is. This is a 5 part youtube video about Tebow in high school, but this segment really caught my eye.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr03mDTg4u8]YouTube - Tim Tebow - The Chosen One 4 of 5[/ame]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;680150]You're talking about a guy that was going to a pro style system after four years and playing the Senior Bowl with Strep Throat. I'm not totally sold on the guy as a pro but I am comfortable with a guy like that being coached by someone named Shanahan.

At the very least he'll get our team to do this:
[YT]HpiMUKfSKIQ[/YT][/quote]

Which Shanny? Mike or Kyle? Mike inherited a QB from Dan Reeves who was one of the best QBs of all time. After that guy retired after his second Lombardi, Mike's fortunes went downhill in Denver. Kyle is a good coach in his own right, but Carr was a failure, and Schaub is pretty decent, but was a vet QB when he came in so who knows what Kyle can do with a QB.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;680159]Which Shanny? Mike or Kyle? Mike inherited a QB from Dan Reeves who was one of the best QBs of all time. After that guy retired after his second Lombardi, Mike's fortunes went downhill in Denver. Kyle is a good coach in his own right, but Carr was a failure, and Schaub is pretty decent, but was a vet QB when he came in so who knows what Kyle can do with a QB.[/quote]

Mike got John to win two Super Bowls after loosing three. He also sent Jake Plummer, Brian Griese, and Jay Cutler to the Pro Bowl. This was after the Snake had put up pathetic numbers in Arizona. Kyle Shanahan turned Matt Schuab into a top tier QB (check out his numbers this past year). I think it's safe to say they know how to develop QB's.

Kyle also had nothing to do with David Carr. That was Chris Palmer. Kyle Shanahan was still playing college football when David Carr was drafted.

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Drafting Tebow would be great for the simple fact of have the Cult of Colt fighting with the Followers of the Book Of Tebow. it would be very entertaining.

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Tebow talk is directly proportional to Sam Bradford's draft stock.

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I will say this I think Tebow will have a better chance to succed then Bradford, assuming Bradford goes to the Rams. Tebow could end up in a stable franchise under a established QB that will teach him, Bradford is going to a absoult mess in St Louis and will be expected to turn the whole thing around.

Always makes me think what would a J. Russell, A. smith, J Harrington, etc...been like if they had gone to a more established franchise.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;680158]The just shows you how tough tebow is. This is a 5 part youtube video about Tebow in high school, but this segment really caught my eye.
[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr03mDTg4u8"]YouTube - Tim Tebow - The Chosen One 4 of 5[/URL][/quote]


Good to see that Tebow cries every time he loses. I used to do that to, when I was 10. The guy needs to suck it up.

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[quote=mredskins;680236]I will say this I think Tebow will have a better chance to succed then Bradford, assuming Bradford goes to the Rams. Tebow could end up in a stable franchise under a established QB that will teach him, Bradford is going to a absoult mess in St Louis and will be expected to turn the whole thing around.

Always makes me think what would a J. Russell, A. smith, J Harrington, etc...been like if they had gone to a more established franchise.[/quote]

J. Russell wasn't going to do well anywhere. I knew he was a bust from day 1.

I wouldn't be surprised if Tebow get's picked up by the browns/bills/jags/etc. in the second round and becomes a good player. Although it's safe to say that the scouts who predict him to be unsuccessful know what they're doing more than any of us.

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[quote=tryfuhl;680156]my niece could run through a piece of drywall[/quote]

yeah, I would be worried about any college football player that couldn't run through dry wall, that stuff is weak. Put that dude in the video in front of an old plaster/lathe wall; I'm puttin my money on the wall winning that one.

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Tim Tebow has a ton of athletic ability, he's smart, and he works hard. Sounds like someone I'd like a team full of, but I really don't want to see us reach too early for him.

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[quote=murphy196;680241]Good to see that Tebow cries every time he loses. I used to do that to, when I was 10. The guy needs to suck it up.[/quote]

A) thats not the point of the video; the fact that he kept playing on a broken leg is.
B) him crying after games is a good thing in the nfl, because that shows that he cares about more about losing and less about the paycheck.
C) I don't even think he cries anymore after losses, because I think when they lost to Alabama he didn't cry from what I saw of the postgame stuff.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;680150]You're talking about a guy that was going to a pro style system after four years and playing the Senior Bowl with Strep Throat. I'm not totally sold on the guy as a pro but I am comfortable with a guy like that being coached by someone named Shanahan.

At the very least he'll get our team to do this:
[YT]HpiMUKfSKIQ[/YT][/quote]

Seriously, that was not a wall, that was a sheet of drywall...nothing else.

He was obviously inspired by COLT BRENNAN, not Tebow.

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I recall JC catching some shit from some folks for getting upset after a loss... but now with Tebow it's a good thing??

Man you guys seriously need to chill with this Tebow circle jerk.

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All of this bluster for an eventual H-back. Amazing.

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Lotus...he's going to be a QB...and a good one at that. It's absurd to think that he isn't going to at least get a shot.

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^ Oh, I believe he'll get a shot at QB. Then, in 2-3 years, it will become clear to him and his team that the best way that he can contribute is to switch to H-back.

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Who is Tebow better than right now out of the 32 starting QB's in the league?

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;680334]Who is Tebow better than right now out of the 32 starting QB's in the league?[/quote]

Probably no one as of today. But that's not the right question to ask right now, since everyone knows he needs a year or two to sit and learn before he can step in and start in this league. The question you ask will be best answered in one-two years.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;680334]Who is Tebow better than right now out of the 32 starting QB's in the league?[/quote]

Jamarcus Russell, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, maybe Trent Edwards?

I think Tebow would play better than any of these guys.

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Tebow is not better than any starting NFL QB right now. He doesn't even have the basic fundamentals of footwork down and he's not up to speed with reading NFL defenses.

This Tebow man crush continues to amaze me.

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[quote=Mattyk;680339]Tebow is not better than any starting NFL QB right now. He doesn't even have the basic fundamentals of footwork down and he's not up to speed with reading NFL defenses.

This Tebow man crush continues to amaze me.[/quote]

What are you saying then? Rookie quarterbacks have started many times for teams, especially recently. After a full offseason workout and training camps are you suggesting they don't get themselves ready for the speed of NFL defenses? Forget the fundamentals and footwork he's learning, the second he starts in the NFL he'll go back to his college instincts and pass the ball better than all those guys I mentioned.

I would rather see Tebow start the next 2 years than have Marc Bulger or Jake Delhomme on my team.

I do not think we should draft Tebow, but I'm just saying everyone is forgetting that this guy will be a "decent" NFL quarterback and nothing more. That's why he's out of the first round discussion because in the first round you try to strike the next Peyton Manning

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[quote=IrMitchell;680336]Jamarcus Russell, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, maybe Trent Edwards?

I think Tebow would play better than any of these guys.[/quote]

I don't follow Oakland, Cleveland, St. Louis, Seattle or Buffalo. I do follow the Skins and i believe if we are going to turn this franchise around soon unless we trade down for more picks we can't use a valuable draft pick on an experiment under our current circumstances.

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[quote=IrMitchell;680342]What are you saying then? Rookie quarterbacks have started many times for teams, especially recently. After a full offseason workout and training camps are you suggesting they don't get themselves ready for the speed of NFL defenses? Forget the fundamentals and footwork he's learning, the second he starts in the NFL he'll go back to his college instincts and pass the ball better than all those guys I mentioned.

I would rather see Tebow start the next 2 years than have Marc Bulger or Jake Delhomme on my team.

I do not think we should draft Tebow, but I'm just saying everyone is forgetting that this guy will be a "decent" NFL quarterback and nothing more. That's why he's out of the first round discussion because in the first round you try to strike the next Peyton Manning[/quote]

The question was who is Tebow better than [U]right now[/U].

If you plugged him into an NFL game right now, Tebow would simply be overmatched on a variety of levels. There's no way he's better than any starting QB or even backup right now, and he probably won't be until he's sat on a bench for a year or so.