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I know someone who is friends with Michael Bush of the Oakland Raiders. This is what he informed his friend about the Raiders and the Redskins in the first round:

If Trent Williams OT Oklahoma falls to the Raiders they will take him at #8 as of this moment. If he does not, expect the Raiders to draft Joe Haden CB Florida. The Raiders are not happy with the corner situation opposite Asomugha and also feel that Nnamdi will leave the organization when his contract is up so corner back is a priority. They are pretty sure Williams will not fall to the Raiders since they believe [B]the Redskins will take him ahead of us because they are working on a trade with Cleveland. It is believed that Cleveland wants to move up to get Clausen and if that happens the Redskins will draft Williams at #7. [/B]

If this happens, it would be great news for Redskin fans because we get a LT at a lower draft position and pick up some more picks to help bolster our roster. I guess will see next Thursday. I just wanted to pass this along.

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Wow, if that happens it would be awesome...I don't know why Cleveland would want to move up though, is there really any chance that the teams at 4, 5, or 6 would pick up Clausen?

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nice! i am cool with this move. draft day is going to be very exciting!

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;689395]I know someone who is friends with Michael Bush of the Oakland Raiders. This is what he informed his friend about the Raiders and the Redskins in the first round:

If Trent Williams OT Oklahoma falls to the Raiders they will take him at #8 as of this moment. If he does not, expect the Raiders to draft Joe Haden CB Florida. The Raiders are not happy with the corner situation opposite Asomugha and also feel that Nnamdi will leave the organization when his contract is up so corner back is a priority. They are pretty sure Williams will not fall to the Raiders since they believe [B]the Redskins will take him ahead of us because they are working on a trade with Cleveland. It is believed that Cleveland wants to move up to get Clausen and if that happens the Redskins will draft Williams at #7. [/B]

If this happens, it would be great news for Redskin fans because we get a LT at a lower draft position and pick up some more picks to help bolster our roster. I guess will see next Thursday. I just wanted to pass this along.[/quote]

Thanks for the info. Interesting that Michael Bush would have a sense of what these teams want to do.

But a lot of it makes sense, I've believed for a while that Trent Williams is the guy the Redskins are targeting. I don't know that they can drop all the way to 7 to get him though, with both KC and Seattle probably wanting OL as well.

I think Holmgren's anti-Clausen comments are a bit of a smokescreen. I don't think he'd mind having him at all. That said though, he can take him at 7. Unless he really believes the rumors that Seattle might actually take Clausen at #6 (I don't see it). I think if anything, Browns want to move up to #4 to get Eric Berry before the Chiefs have a chance to. That'll be moot though if the Bucs swoop in and take Berry at #3.

As for the Raiders, who knows what they're thinking is. Everybody from Haden to Campbell (Bruce, not Jason) to JPP to McLain has been rumored to be going there

In a Wash-Clev trade I wonder what we would get?

Can't wait for Thursday!

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[quote=SmootSmack;689399]Thanks for the info. Interesting that Michael Bush would have a sense of what these teams want to do.

But a lot of it makes sense, I've believed for a while that Trent Williams is the guy the Redskins are targeting. I don't know that they can drop all the way to 7 to get him though, with both KC and Seattle probably wanting OL as well.

I think Holmgren's anti-Clausen comments are a bit of a smokescreen. I don't think he'd mind having him at all. That said though, he can take him at 7. Unless he really believes the rumors that Seattle might actually take Clausen at #6 (I don't see it). I think if anything, Browns want to move up to #4 to get Eric Berry before the Chiefs have a chance to. That'll be moot though if the Bucs swoop in and take Berry at #3.

As for the Raiders, who knows what they're thinking is. Everybody from Haden to Campbell (Bruce, not Jason) to JPP to McLain has been rumored to be going there

In a Wash-Clev trade I wonder what we would get?

Can't wait for Thursday![/quote]

I could see us getting their two #3 picks (71) and (92 from Jets). The trade value chart would have the Skins giving up 1800 pts. and the Browns 1867 pts. so it would be a wash.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689397]Wow, if that happens it would be awesome...I don't know why Cleveland would want to move up though, is there really any chance that the teams at 4, 5, or 6 would pick up Clausen?[/quote]

Cleveland needs a QB in a bad way, and it looks like the Rams are going to take Bradford. The Browns need a way to bypass Seattle to make sure they can get Clausen by trading with us; they have 5 selections in the first 92 picks, so it's possible. The Seahawks need someone to replace Hasslebeck.

Assuming this is true, of course.

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;689400]I could see us getting their two #3 picks (71) and (92 from Jets). The trade value chart would have the Skins giving up 1800 pts. and the Browns 1867 pts. so it would be a wash.[/quote]

That would give us 5 picks in the top 100 and 7 picks total. Then it's possible that we could gain even more picks by trading JC and others. I'm beginning to wonder if the plan is to stock up on young players in what is said to be a deep draft.

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[quote=Beemnseven;689403]Cleveland needs a QB in a bad way, and it looks like the Rams are going to take Bradford. The Browns need a way to bypass Seattle to make sure they can get Clausen by trading with us; they have 5 selections in the first 92 picks, so it's possible. The Seahawks need someone to replace Hasslebeck.

Assuming this is true, of course.[/quote]

Seattle has some luxury to take Clausen in the first round since they have two first round picks...but I'd have a hard time as a fan understanding why they would commit so much to Whitehurst and then turn around and draft Clausen

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[quote=SmootSmack;689399].

But a lot of it makes sense, I've believed for a while that Trent Williams is the guy the Redskins are targeting. I don't know that they can drop all the way to 7 to get him though, with both KC and Seattle probably wanting OL as well.

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Good point. If they do want OL, hopefully, they draft Okung and Bulaga. Then, we'd still haveTrent Williams at 7. If that didn't pan out, it wouldn't be that bad for the Skins to draft Bulaga and pick up some more picks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;689406]Seattle has some luxury to take Clausen in the first round since they have two first round picks...but I'd have a hard time as a fan understanding why they would commit so much to Whitehurst and then turn around and draft Clausen[/quote]

Didn't know about Whitehurst -- that could crush my theory.

Here's a question though:

If trading down meant that we would miss out on BOTH Russell Okung and Trent Williams, but you could collect picks in the second and third round, plus still have one somewhere in the 1st, would you bite?

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[quote=Beemnseven;689426]Didn't know about Whitehurst -- that could crush my theory.

Here's a question though:

If trading down meant that we would miss out on BOTH Russell Okung and Trent Williams, but you could collect picks in the second and third round, plus still have one somewhere in the 1st, would you bite?[/quote]

Yes 11 times out of 10

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;689404]That would give us 5 picks in the top 100 and 7 picks total. Then it's possible that we could gain even more picks by trading JC and others. I'm beginning to wonder if the plan is to stock up on young players in what is said to be a deep draft.[/quote]

wait, how would that give us 5 picks in the top 100? i was under the impression the only pick we have right now in the top 100 is #4. If we add two 3rd rounders, that would only bring our total top 100 picks to 3. i could be completely wrong, just wondering.

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^ Okay, I guess you're assuming we'd still get a good O-tackle somewhere in the first?

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We shouldn't take Williams over Okung..we just shouldn't!

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[quote=SmootSmack;689427]Yes 11 times out of 10[/quote]

Provided we could still pick up a late 1st rounder, I'd do that deal all day long in order to gain even more picks. I'd be willing to throw picks at the current roster in order to see what sticks!

Just wish we could have handled the 3 2nd rounders better a couple of years ago. Ahhh Vinnie. What were you watching?

Ohhh, that's right, with your bad eyes, you were looking in 2 different directions at the same time. Poorly, I might add.

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Another source has us trading again with the e-girls.

Our old 2nd, their current 2nd, their 1st at #24, man, I'm salivating.

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I wouldn't mind that trade! We need more picks, but I really want Okung

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Nice thread, something to look forward to on draft night.
I personally don't see Cleveland moving up for anyone but Bradford. Claussen should fall to them at 7 regardless, and I believe Holmgren won't take him if he is there.
I think Seattle will jump on T.Williams at 6 if he is there.
The Skins should select Okung over anyone else in my opinion.

I know the Raiders aren't happy with Thomas Howard, and the staff doesn't seem enamored with Rocky, very similar players. McIntosh would fit their system as a weak-side linebacker, and Howard might be a better fit as a 3-4 inside backer for us.
Any trade involving these 2 teams should also include these 2 linebackers.

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If we do trade back I think we should prepare for Charles Brown but hope for Williams.

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[quote=Beemnseven;689426]

Didn't know about Whitehurst -- that could crush my theory.

Here's a question though:

If trading down meant that we would miss out on BOTH Russell Okung and Trent Williams, but you could collect picks in the second and third round, plus still have one somewhere in the 1st, would you bite?[/quote]


Yep, I think I would....There is some o/l dept in this draft. We have some holes that need to be filled, especially for this 3-4 we about to incorporate into our defense.

Thanks Haslett.....our defense is already straight. All we needed to do was tweak it. More agressiveness, better disguises, take away the 25 yard cushion the CBs we're given and add a couple of LBs.

Naw, we gotta give our defense a dam face lift in the very first year, knowing dam well we dont have no where near the personnel that we need for this switch over. Now the best DTwe've had in the last God knows how many years is pissed and ready to leave. I HATE this shit....

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@Adam_Schefter*Redskins Executive VP/GM Bruce Allen will discuss the draft with reporters Monday at 11 am - and reporters will leave even more confused.*about an hour ago

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Not for nothing, but if Okung is that perennial pro-bowler at LT that most 'experts' predict, then we should be happy to solidify that position with him. Extra draft picks can come from other trades, but I hope we just take Okung, and not have to worry about the position for a long time.
For me, I would rather have 1 great player over 2-3 good players. Lock that critical position down with a stud, and grab solid players via trades, free agency, and good scouting.

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[quote=Beemnseven;689429]^ Okay, I guess you're assuming we'd still get a good O-tackle somewhere in the first?[/quote]

A guy like Roger Saffold, Anthony Davis, even Charles Brown is that next step down from Okung, Williams (and maybe Bulaga-as much I love Bulaga since he's an Iowa guy I don't see him as much more than a very good RT in the pros). But I don't think the drop-off is all that much. I think with OTs this year it's all about the quantity in the draft, not so much the quality

I'd rather take Brown late in the first and have more picks to use in the 2nd and 3rd than take Okung and sit there until the 4th

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Someone mentioned that we might trade the 4th for Cleveland's 7th and 2 3rds? Does that sound like a good deal? I would much rather take one 2nd than two 3rds

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[quote=rbanerjee23;689457]Someone mentioned that we might trade the 4th for Cleveland's 7th and 2 3rds? Does that sound like a good deal? I would much rather take one 2nd than two 3rds[/quote]

I think they meant Clevlands 1st round (7th pick) and 2 3rds.

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[quote=backrow;689443]Another source has us trading again with the e-girls.

Our old 2nd, their current 2nd, their 1st at #24, man, I'm salivating.

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I don't understand the trade.....

"Your" saying we trade with the Eagles and pick up their:

#24
#37
#55
and McNabb?

but, whoever wrote the HailRedskins thread wrote that we would get:

McNabb
#37
#55

Basically they would be getting two first rounders. They would keep our #4 and their #24. Maybe I read both wrong but you and he seem to be writing different scenarios.

On another note, Why are people so fascinated with Okung? Anybody stop to think maybe certain players might possibly not be best suited for either Shanahan's style of offense? Just because it's not the top pick on everyones wish list? If Williams is who the Skins are targeting and they draft him and Okung is still on the board are you guys going to throw a hissy fit?

If Williams is truly being targeted then let the coach's do their job. Be happy they picked up an OL, cause honestly I'd still be trying for Clausen or Bradford. JC will be gone. Nothing about Grossman makes me feel comfy. McNabb will be around maybe 3-4 yrs before it's time to get younger and Brennan and Bartel don't scream franchise in the waiting.

and yes for those very smart people "be glad I'm not the HC." lol.

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John Clayton just brought up the point on the radio that we shouldn't get greedy and just take the tackle. I personally think about it like this. Say you get a first and a second to trade down from #4. If you wouldn't be able to trade those two players you get in the trade down for the guy you would have selected at 4 three years from now then it's not worth it.

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We threw away so many draft picks it's shameful. You never recover from bad trades, no matter what happens.

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Hopefully we have people in the building that know how valuable the draft picks are and soon we'll be the ones with more then 7 picks in a draft.

or

no draft at all and we can pick up whoever we want.

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I'd cash in on Clevelands offer in a heartbeat, even if it's Cleveland's 1st and a 2nd. We'd still get T. Williams at a more reasonable slot, gain a 2nd and finally fill the FS spot. In my opinion, T. Williams has a little more upside in terms of athletic ability, but overall Okung is the better player.

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[quote=backrow;689443]Another source has us trading again with the e-girls.

Our old 2nd, their current 2nd, their 1st at #24, man, I'm salivating.

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This would be a good trade as well...we could get Charles Brown or Bruce Campbell at the end of the round.

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I would love to see something like that happen but we will have to wait and see. Draft day is full of surprises!

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Any scenario where we get more picks makes me a HAPPY PANDA. I think we end up with a butt load of picks by the end of the draft!

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I would hate to trade out of the top 10, mainly because I hope we don't see a spot that high for the ne xt decade, and I want to get a perennial pro-bowler as a return for suffering through VC/JZ for two years!

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[quote=SmootSmack;689399]Thanks for the info. Interesting that Michael Bush would have a sense of what these teams want to do.
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It's Oakland haha

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[quote=SkinsfanNTX;689507]This would be a good trade as well...we could get Charles Brown or Bruce Campbell at the end of the round.[/quote]

I don't know if it is just because Oakland wants him but Bruce Campbell reeks of bust. It should throw up big red flags when a guy's stock rockets because of his combine workout...I know they were projecting him in the first/early second before his workout but I think he will not be a solid player in the NFL;

Let him go to the Raiders and keep them in the red for a few more years.

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The Lions will NEVER...EVER..NEVER draft Okung. He is gonna be there and THAT is who the Skins should get. Isn't it time to stop wasting draft picks and taking chances. Draft Okung and replace Chris Samuels with his clone for the next 10 years and be done wif it.

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[quote=internetcareer;689755]The Lions will NEVER...EVER..NEVER draft Okung. He is gonna be there and THAT is who the Skins should get. Isn't it time to stop wasting draft picks and taking chances. Draft Okung and replace Chris Samuels with his clone for the next 10 years and be done wif it.[/quote]

I agree on drafting Okung, but I am very concerned that Detroit takes him.
Suh does have an injury history, and Defensive Tackles have a high bust rate.
They really need a stud LT to protect their expensive QB, and Bachus is not the answer. They won't get a starter in round 2.

In my opinion, it's 60-40 the Lions take Okung.

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say we land anthony davis instead? does anybody really know how much better an okung or williams would be than davis? or say a brown from USC? I don't know.

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[quote=jdc65;689810]I agree on drafting Okung, but I am very concerned that Detroit takes him.
Suh does have an injury history, and Defensive Tackles have a high bust rate.
They really need a stud LT to protect their expensive QB, and Bachus is not the answer. They won't get a starter in round 2.

In my opinion, it's 60-40 the Lions take Okung.[/quote]

in regards to okung going to the lions...do you guys feel that would benefit us in terms of trading back?