Albert Haynesworth and His Trainer
 

[quote=Albert Haynesworth;694685]“Well, I told Mike this and he was like, ‘Well, I wanted you to train with our guys’ and all that stuff and I said, ‘I totally respect that and all that but to get me back to where I want to be I need the serious training. I need the stuff that got me where I’m at.’ We do a lot of specialized stuff for me, a lot of training.[B] My trainer[/B], he comes up with some great stuff that’s just for me, basically, not just maybe a defensive lineman, but just for me. Stuff that can improve on to help me get stronger and things that’ll help me focus better. So nothing against them or whatever but if I want to get back to being the best defensive tackle in the NFL then I need to do this.”[/quote]

Apparently that trainer is Tripp Smith of CES.

Here's video of Haynesworth training with Tripp before the 2008 season when the Titans slapped the franchise tag. It also touches on the story about how Albert got paired up with Tripp.
[url=http://www.thecompetitiveedge.tv/episodes.php?video=5]The Competitive Edge | Reality Television Show following CES Athletes | Comcast Sports[/url]
[quote]Continue the journey with Tripp Smith, in Tennessee training Albert Haynesworth, as he pursues his dream of training the Pros. And follow Justin Smoak another week as he gets into some intense training with the famed "hitting harness" used by the likes of Jeff Francouer and Chipper Jones. Finally, meet Jimmy Williams, former Virginia Tech star and 2nd round draft pick of the Atlanta Falcons, recently cut but trying to stay in shape and hopefully be picked up by another team.[/quote]

Albert's testimony.
[YT]Ah0CxeDVV3Y[/YT]
[url=http://www.competitiveedgesports.com/]Competitive Edge Sports | CES | Chip Smith | Sports Performance Trainingm[/url]

[quote]Congratulations to our CES clients who made the 2010 Pro Bowl!
Jared Allen - Vikings, Jon Stinchcomb - Saints, Brandon Marshall - Broncos, Jay Ratliff - Cowboys,
Champ Bailey - Broncos, Leonard Weaver - Eagles, Darnell Dockett - Cardinals, James Harrison - Steelers.[/quote]

The funniest part is it seems like a mirror image of Rob and Big except the characters are a lot more normal and the rich guy is the big one.

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All this tells me is that people like to form inferences based on very non-substantive snapshots that are not representative of the entire picture. Haynesworth got carted off and made a show only a handful of times compared to the amount of snaps he actually played, and people make it sound like he was ALMOST ALWAYS on the bench. Goes to show that Haynesworth may actually be harder worker than people credit him for.

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Wait, GTripp is Haynesworth's trainer? No wonder he can't make it to workouts!

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I still cannot find any reason to fault Haynesworth this offseason. The dude just wants to be the best he can be. All the trade talk is absurd.

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Is this the first time this has been said? If so why are we only hearing from AH now? I know that Allen and Shanahan have been saying from the beginning that they had no intentions of trading AH, and that they both knew where each other stood and all that. But then there were all the rumors that they denied, where were they being "leaked" from?

The timing of this quote is suspicious, were they saving this in the event that they couldn't find a sutor and needed to "make nice," or were they letting people believe there was more tension over the training program then there actually was as a smoke screen? and if that's the case, what for?

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[quote=WillH;694774]Is this the first time this has been said? If so why are we only hearing from AH now? I know that Allen and Shanahan have been saying from the beginning that they had no intentions of trading AH, and that they both knew where each other stood and all that. But then there were all the rumors that they denied, where were they being "leaked" from?

The timing of this quote is suspicious, were they saving this in the event that they couldn't find a sutor and needed to "make nice," or were they letting people believe there was more tension over the training program then there actually was as a smoke screen? and if that's the case, what for?[/quote]

The quote I started with was from an interview with Rich Gannon back in March. I randomly came across the company Haynesworth was training for when I was looking at Haynesworth highlights on YouTube. Naturally I did a couple of searches on Google and within 10 minutes I had all the information you see on this thread.

I used the quote though because I felt it was an appropriate segway with Haynesworth frequently talking about training with 'his guy.' Personally I think there must be some sort of deep bond between big men and the guys who train them. I mean first Haynesworth is putting himself in front of the media crosshairs by working with his trainer and then we see Suh pledging to donate $2 million to Nebraskas strength training program.

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I think all of these dudes are on vacation. Sure, they check (deposit) in but, after that, it's tee time. Anybody evere spy on them to make sure they're there? Hire the guy from ''Cheaters''.

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Thanks for the clarification, I was a bit confused.

Anyways, I sure hope AH is doing what he needs to, to be the dominant player we went out and brought here. With a healthy AH on board I really feel this defense could be great. With the diverse talent I feel we have in the front 7, AH could really be an incredible asset from both positions on the D-line. At this point I guess what other options does he have than to come back and play the best game he can, in hope of a trade or whatever?

I guess he could hold out. What's the most we'll get for him if he holds out? What's the least we'd take for him?

I hope this senario never comes to pass . . .

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He needs to be in great shape if he stays here or if he plans on moving on. For us however, it all comes down to one thing. Does AH want to be a Redskin. I don't care if he's in the best shape of his career. If his heart is not with the Skins, his stats and time on the field will reflect that.

I hope he is in fact training hard, not only to be the "best defensive tackle in the NFL." But also to be the best Redskin he can be.

It would be really refreshing to have a guy like AH to give it all he's got for our team.

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[quote=WillH;694774]Is this the first time this has been said? If so why are we only hearing from AH now? I know that Allen and Shanahan have been saying from the beginning that they had no intentions of trading AH, and that they both knew where each other stood and all that. But then there were all the rumors that they denied, where were they being "leaked" from?

The timing of this quote is suspicious, were they saving this in the event that they couldn't find a sutor and needed to "make nice," or were they letting people believe there was more tension over the training program then there actually was as a smoke screen? and if that's the case, what for?[/quote]

Quite a few people have been asking the same question that ends your first paragraph.

The Redskins organization has consistently denied any efforts on their part to trade Haynesworth. Every team mentioned as a sutor for his services has been careful to deny any effort of pursuit, though the media reports continued to circulate to the contrary. Haynesworth is under contract to the Redskins, the Redskins would have to contact any team in an effort to guage their interest in trading for him, not vice versa.

The term tampering as used within the NFL, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer - employee relationship of another club or any atempt by a club to impermissably induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

If as has been reported the Redskins were not actively shopping Haynesworth as trade, no other member team would be within the rules by first instituting contact.

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Did anyone else pick up what I did from the little interview with AH?

He talks about not wanting to be barked/yelled at when working out. He said something about "I don't respond to that."

Shanahan, to me, sounds like a no-nonsense/not going to be your "buddy" coach who pushes guys and holds them to a high standard... I DO wonder how this season is going to play out...

Shanny has clearly stated, even just since Friday, that his stance is firm as far as how they are going to play Albert at NT plenty... so IDK guys... I just seeing the AH situation to be a headache for a while..

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[quote=Longtimefan;694786]Quite a few people have been asking the same question that ends your first paragraph.

The Redskins organization has consistently denied any efforts on their part to trade Haynesworth. Every team mentioned as a sutor for his services has been careful to deny any effort of pursuit, though the media reports continued to circulate to the contrary. Haynesworth is under contract to the Redskins, the Redskins would have to contact any team in an effort to guage their interest in trading for him, not vice versa.

The term tampering as used within the NFL, refers to any interference by a member club with the employer - employee relationship of another club or any atempt by a club to impermissably induce a person to seek employment with that club or with the NFL.

[B]If as has been reported the Redskins were not actively shopping Haynesworth as trade, no other member team would be within the rules by first instituting contact[/B].[/quote]

i may be wrong but i don't think it's against any rule if a team's gm contacts [B]bruce allen[/B] in regards to talk of possible trades. it is however against the rules for a team's gm to contact a [B]player or a player's agent[/B] to talk of a trade.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;694787]Did anyone else pick up what I did from the little interview with AH?

He talks about not wanting to be barked/yelled at when working out. He said something about "I don't respond to that."

Shanahan, to me, sounds like a no-nonsense/not going to be your "buddy" coach who pushes guys and holds them to a high standard... I DO wonder how this season is going to play out...

[B]Shanny has clearly stated, even just since Friday, that his stance is firm as far as how they are going to play Albert at NT plenty.[/B].. so IDK guys... I just seeing the AH situation to be a headache for a while..[/quote]

can you tell me where i can find that statement ?

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;694787]Did anyone else pick up what I did from the little interview with AH?

He talks about not wanting to be barked/yelled at when working out. He said something about "I don't respond to that."

Shanahan, to me, sounds like a no-nonsense/not going to be your "buddy" coach who pushes guys and holds them to a high standard... I DO wonder how this season is going to play out...

Shanny has clearly stated, even just since Friday, that his stance is firm as far as how they are going to play Albert at NT plenty... so IDK guys... I just seeing the AH situation to be a headache for a while..[/quote]

In the NFL players are paid to produce, they don't necessarily have to have a love fest going with the head coach, they don't even have to like each other for that matter (in many cases they don't). The idea is for the player to give maximum effort whenever he takes the field. I'm convinced if Haynesworth is in the process of getting himself in proper condition as promised, comes in and has a great season, helps the team to win, I guarantee much of the negative speak will cease. Now of course if he dosen't, that a horse of another color.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;694787]Did anyone else pick up what I did from the little interview with AH?

He talks about not wanting to be barked/yelled at when working out. He said something about "I don't respond to that."

Shanahan, to me, sounds like a no-nonsense/not going to be your "buddy" coach who pushes guys and holds them to a high standard... I DO wonder how this season is going to play out...

Shanny has clearly stated, even just since Friday, that his stance is firm as far as how they are going to play Albert at NT plenty... so IDK guys... I just seeing the AH situation to be a headache for a while..[/quote]

In the NFL players are paid to produce, they don't necessarily have to have a love fest going with the head coach, they don't even have to like each other for that matter (in many cases they don't). The idea is for the player to give maximum effort whenever he takes the field. I'm convinced if Haynesworth is in the process of getting himself in proper condition as promised, comes in and has a great season, helps the team win, I guarantee much of the negative speak will cease. Now of course if he dosen't, that a horse of another color.

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[quote=wolfeskins;694790]i may be wrong but i don't think it's against any rule if a team's gm contacts [B]bruce allen[/B] in regards to talk of possible trades. it is however against the rules for a team's gm to contact a [B]player or a player's agent[/B] to talk of a trade.[/quote]

You could be right Wolf...The second paragraph of my post is the actual wording of the rule, it does not specify beyond member clubs contact. There could be other wording to further specify in more detail.....I'll search.

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Dirtbag this is some quality work you put together for us. Thanks for sharing.

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[B]I didn't know where to put this or if it's in our forum yet but it is a good article that covers a lot of our current questions concerning[/B]:

*Jason Campbell to Oakland.

*Allen on Albert Haynesworth

*Allen on free agent LB Rocky McIntosh

*Allen believes seventh-round pick Terrence Austin could be the Redskins’ starting kick returner.

*Fourth-round pick Perry Riley will play inside linebacker in the Redskins’ new 3-4 scheme

*The Redskins will attempt to sign between two and six undrafted free agents

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/04/24/bruce-allen-recaps-the-campbell-trade-and-draft/]Bruce Allen recaps the Campbell trade and draft - Redskins Journal[/url]

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[quote=wolfeskins;694792]can you tell me where i can find that statement ?[/quote]

Oh yeah... forgot to quote... and it's a quote from Allen actually, but obviously.. he's talking about what Shanny's plan for Albert is ...

from Redskins Insider...

...The Redskins sent Campbell, their starter for three-plus seasons, to Oakland for a fourth-round pick in the 2012 draft, but retained the disgruntled Haynesworth, who does not want to play nose tackle in the team's new 3-4 scheme. Allen reiterated that the Redskins expect Haynesworth to be with them this season. "Believe me that Albert's agent has known from the first week the league year started what the thoughts were," Allen said. "We know where Albert stands and he knows where we stand. We look forward to having him have a productive season."

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/nfl-draft/draft-ends-with-redskins-focus.html#more"]From Redskins Insider[/URL]

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;694811]Oh yeah... forgot to quote... and it's a quote from Allen actually, but obviously.. he's talking about what Shanny's plan for Albert is ...

from Redskins Insider...

...The Redskins sent Campbell, their starter for three-plus seasons, to Oakland for a fourth-round pick in the 2012 draft, but retained the disgruntled Haynesworth, who does not want to play nose tackle in the team's new 3-4 scheme. Allen reiterated that the Redskins expect Haynesworth to be with them this season. "Believe me that Albert's agent has known from the first week the league year started what the thoughts were," Allen said. "[B]We know where Albert stands and he knows where we stand.[/B] We look forward to having him have a productive season."

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/nfl-draft/draft-ends-with-redskins-focus.html#more"]From Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

too me though, allen saying "we know where albert stands and he knows where we stand" is not the same as your earlier post:
[quote]
Shanny has clearly stated, even just since Friday, that his stance is firm as far as how they are going to play Albert at NT plenty...
[/quote]

imo, allen is talking about their stance as it pertains to how they feel about albert missing voluntary workouts, not about his defensive position.
matter of fact i just read somewhere that the skins plan on using albert at nose tackle, defensive tackle and defensive end.

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[quote=diehard;694779]I think all of these dudes are on vacation. Sure, they check (deposit) in but, after that, it's tee time. Anybody evere spy on them to make sure they're there? Hire the guy from ''Cheaters''.[/quote]
ok, tyvm. i am gonna start looking at who is posting and skip you. you contribute absolutely nothing intelligible.

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as for haynesworth, he just got a 20 mill dollar bonus. him not coming to voluntary camps shows what he's all about. it's all about the dollars with him while he buys up his speed boats. lets be real, he is not focussing on football. if he were he would be coming to ashburn to get to know the new defense and show he is a leader. it also is saying something that we could not get a 2nd round draft pick for him. i don't think any team is seeing him as a good situation.

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[quote=beau_str;694825]as for haynesworth, he just got a 20 mill dollar bonus. him not coming to voluntary camps shows what he's all about. it's all about the dollars with him while he buys up his speed boats. lets be real, he is not focussing on football. if he were he would be coming to ashburn to get to know the new defense and show he is a leader. it also is saying something that we could not get a 2nd round draft pick for him. i don't think any team is seeing him as a good situation.[/quote]

i feel like i'm defending albert alot and thats not my intention. i really wish and feel like he should be at redskins park with his teammates but in his,[I]here i go again[/I], defense he did have his most productive season after training on his own with the same guy he's training with now. hopefully he shows up in great shape and has a great season.

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i agree he should. but history shows when they get paid they lay back and slack. the fact he is not showing up and the fact we can't get a 2nd rounder for him draft day shows something.

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it was also mentioned before we signed him that he was playing a career year during a contract year and he would be a problem after. don't overlook that. i like him when he is playing, i hate him when he is tired and acting like his knee is blown out cause he is tired and needs to sit. we all saw that last year.

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[quote=beau_str;694832]it was also mentioned before we signed him that he was playing a career year during a contract year and he would be a problem after. don't overlook that. i like him when he is playing, i hate him when he is tired and acting like his knee is blown out cause he is tired and needs to sit. we all saw that last year.[/quote]


[quote]but history shows when they get paid they lay back and slack. the fact he is not showing up and the fact we can't get a 2nd rounder for him draft day shows something[/quote]

yea, i can't argue against any of that. i'm just hoping for the best.

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The notion that Albert is simply lazy, and therefor skipping voluntary workouts, is...effing retarded. By all accounts he's using his own money (I'm sure all that individual training doesn't come cheap) to be in top condition for this season.

I mean this Haynesworth controversy has really been cast in the wrong light IMHO. Look,we've got the most dominant defensive player in the game on our roster, and he's committed to being the best he's ever been. The real controversy is why our coaching staff isn't building the defense around Haynesworth.

- By keeping the 4-3 system we would be just a player or two away from sheer dominance. A legit top FS alone would probably have been enough.

- The defensive roster (still) doesn't look like a 3-4 defense on the verge of greatness. Most of our guys are tailor made for the 4-3...like big Al.

- The notion Shanny/Haslett can devise such a brilliant 3-4 scheme that they can 1) waist the best defensive player in football and 2) basically go against the grain of the roster, and somehow expect a better outcome than simply shoring up a position or two in the 4-3, is r i d i c u l o u s.

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are you serious? please look at the history and the facts. he played hard in a contract year, played when he felt like it last year, and has created controversy this year. weather you want to accept it or not he was shopped for a late 1st round pick in this draft and nobody wanted any parts.

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and your points a,b,and c are yet to be seen. so those are just opinions.

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I care most about what he produces on the field...I hope that he is a monster at us for NT or end or wherever we place him this season. he just needs to be disruptive to free up the RAK! he may not be happy playing NT...but hey...i'm sure he'll do just fine. What should he care where he plays anyways? If his ultimate goal is winning a championship he should focus on what to do that is best for the team.

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[quote=beau_str;694840]are you serious? please look at the history and the facts. he played hard in a contract year, played when he felt like it last year, and has created controversy this year. weather you want to accept it or not he was shopped for a late 1st round pick in this draft and nobody wanted any parts.[/quote]

Haynesworth's last two years in Tennessee were his best years, so not just his last year. Whether it was money driven or not, the guy has talent. While players have responsibility of their own, people like you that complain about someone like Haynesworth, fails to forget the terrible state of our front office and coaching staff last year. Our team has repeatedly shown to acquire players and fail to use them to the best of their ability. Yet despite being out of shape, AH was a force in the defensive line and made that part of the defense much better. It didn't win games, but that's on the defensive coaches and not AH, he came and did his job, resulting in Orakpo and Carter getting a ton of sacks.

Personally, I think people need to get over the fact that Vinny and Snyder gave Haynesworth a $100 mil contract and brought him to a team with poor leadership and discipline. I have the sense that a lot of people hate Haynesworth and bitch about him because they can't get over that. Just get over it, that was a terrible decision by the team, and he was brought over to a team that was going to lose no matter what. Haynesworth has put a lot on his shoulders by making the decision to work out on his own, and prove that last year was just the result of the terrible situation that this team was. Now he needs to prove that to the coaching staff.

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[quote=beau_str;694840]are you serious? please look at the history and the facts. he played hard in a contract year, played when he felt like it last year, and has created controversy this year. weather you want to accept it or not he was shopped for a late 1st round pick in this draft and nobody wanted any parts.[/quote]
either back it up.. or back it up bro

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Bad teams/organizations tend to pin their failures on their best players, and in my opinion, our best players last season were Jason Campbell on offense, and Albert Haynesworth on defense.

Good organizations would stick together and quietly fix the problems. Just a heads up if Donovan McNabb and Brian Orakpo start getting blamed for our struggles next year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;694849] Bad teams/organizations tend to pin their failures on their best players, and in my opinion, our best players last season were Jason Campbell on offense, and Albert Haynesworth on defense.

Good organizations would stick together and quietly fix the problems. Just a heads up if Donovan McNabb and Brian Orakpo start getting blamed for our struggles next year.[/quote]

I want to like this post. I really do. And not that I'm questioning you, but can you throw out a few examples of "bad teams/organizations tend(ing) to pin their failures on their best players." ??

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Thanks for taking the time to look this up and post it.

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I vote Dirtbag for best use of a search engine!

Good stuff, man and in all honesty if Haynesworth comes in and performs this season this will all be moot, I dont see why we have to discuss it like someone is cheating on someone in every thread. Hopefully this will put some sort of damper on the "trade him now" talk.

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[quote=GTripp0012;694849]Bad teams/organizations tend to pin their failures on their best players, and in my opinion, our best players last season were Jason Campbell on offense, and Albert Haynesworth on defense.

Good organizations would stick together and quietly fix the problems. Just a heads up if Donovan McNabb and Brian Orakpo start getting blamed for our struggles next year.[/quote]

your right on the offensive side...but london was our defensive player...and after him carter...and then orakpo...

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[quote=GMScud;694854]I want to like this post. I really do. And not that I'm questioning you, but can you throw out a few examples of "bad teams/organizations tend(ing) to pin their failures on their best players." ??[/quote]The most immediate examples I'm coming up with are actually in other sports: Cubs blamed Milton Bradley for their failures last year, Royals blamed Alex Gordon, the Suns were trying to deal Amari Stoudamire for the longest time.

I guess some examples of this happening in football would be what the Jags did w/Byron Leftwich, the Lions did with Shaun Rogers, the Broncos with anything they've done in the past two years, the Jets with Chad Pennington and John Abraham before him, Cowboys (fans) with Tony Romo, the Bills with Trent Edwards, the Eagles with Terrell Owens, the Cardinals with Thomas Jones, three different teams with Kurt Warner, and really, the Redskins with every quarterback of the last decade.

I don't really like any of my football examples because they all have dual reasoning, but I think a big reason is that if you're a productive player on a dysfunctional team, it's easy to just blame the most publicized players than to quietly address what's actually wrong. I think if Shanahan and Allen are going to be successful, the first thing they have to do is refrain from alienating our best players. Which is why this Haynesworth thing, while completely overblown by the media, really doesn't make a lick of sense.

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[quote=tootergray34;694844]I care most about what he produces on the field...I hope that he is a monster at us for NT or end or wherever we place him this season. he just needs to be disruptive to free up the RAK! he may not be happy playing NT...but hey...i'm sure he'll do just fine. [B] What should he care where he plays anyways[/B]? If his ultimate goal is winning a championship he should focus on what to do that is best for the team.[/quote]

"So nothing against them or whatever but if I want to get back to being the [B]best defensive tackle[/B] in the NFL then I need to do this." - AH

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[quote=beau_str;694829]i agree he should. but history shows when they get paid they lay back and slack. the fact he is not showing up and the fact we can't get a 2nd rounder for him draft day shows something.[/quote]

Getting a 2nd round draft pick for him? Haven't you heard it was never the intent to trade him?