What Will Jason Campbell's Legacy Be?
 

This morning on Mike Wise's radio show, the question was asked what legacy does Jason Campbell leave behind as a Redskin. Nearly every caller, including myself, stopped short of calling Campbell a straight up bust or a failure. Some were pro Campbell, some were con, some were split, but nearly all gave him the benefit of the doubt considering the circumstances he had to deal with. One caller made an interesting observation that the Redskins were sending a bad message by booting Campbell out of town, a guy he compared to the likes of Darrell Green and Art Monk as far as class acts go, and keeping a player like Albert Haynesworth, who has made it known how he feels about playing NT and the coaching staff. But I digress.

But as i continued to listen, I wondered what if Campbell actually succeeds in Oakland? I'm not talking Super Bowl success, but let's say the Raiders just sniff the playoffs. Let's say Campbell squeezes out an 8-8 record or graces the cover of Sports Illustrated once or twice.

[I]What type of pressure would that put on Donovan McNabb and the current administration? [/I] No one really talks about that. We've assumed the McNabb will be successful as a Redskin and Campbell will sort of plod along and just get by out there. We hear a lot about how McNabb is an upgrade, but what if JC ups his game too? Yeah, I know the what if game is futile at the end of the day, but that's what we do until the season actually kicks off.

I'll conclude by saying this, unless Campbell suffers an injury of some sort, heaven forbid, Jason Campbell will finally be Jason Campbell in Oakland. Whatever that is, he won't be over coached or dressed up in some system that doesn't suit him. I have a feeling that whatever Campbell is or isn't as an NFL quarterback, we'll find out once and for all what's under the hood. No more excuses, assumptions, or what ifs for the guy. I wish him success as a Raider and I have a feeling that a lot of Washington Redskin fans will be taking keen notice of the Oakland Raiders from week to week.

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I think he has the skills to be a solid starting qb in the league. He's not going to carry a team on his back by any means, but I can definitely see him getting a run first team into the playoffs.

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[quote=12thMan;695096]This morning on Mike Wise's radio show, the question was asked what legacy does Jason Campbell leave behind as a Redskin. Nearly every caller, including myself, stopped short of calling Campbell a straight up bust or a failure. Some were pro Campbell, some were con, some were split, but nearly all gave him the benefit of the doubt considering the circumstances he had to deal with. One caller made an interesting observation that the Redskins were sending a bad message by booting Campbell out of town, a guy he compared to the likes of Darrell Green and Art Monk as far as class acts go, and keeping a player like Albert Haynesworth, who has made it known how he feels about playing NT and the coaching staff. But I digress.

But as i continued to listen, I wondered what if Campbell actually succeeds in Oakland? I'm not talking Super Bowl success, but let's say the Raiders just sniff the playoffs. Let's say Campbell squeezes out an 8-8 record or graces the cover of Sports Illustrated once or twice.

[I]What type of pressure would that put on Donovan McNabb and the current administration? [/I]No one really talks about that. We've assumed the McNabb will be successful as a Redskin and Campbell will sort of plod along and just get by out there. We hear a lot about how McNabb is an upgrade, but what if JC ups his game too? Yeah, I know the what if game is futile at the end of the day, but that's what we do until the season actually kicks off.

I'll conclude by saying this, unless Campbell suffers an injury of some sort, heaven forbid, Jason Campbell will finally be Jason Campbell in Oakland. Whatever that is, he won't be over coached or dressed up in some system that doesn't suit him. I have a feeling that whatever Campbell is or isn't as an NFL quarterback, we'll find out once and for all what's under the hood. No more excuses, assumptions, or what ifs for the guy. I wish him success as a Raider and I have a feeling that a lot of Washington Redskin fans will be taking keen notice of the Oakland Raiders from week to week.[/quote]

He is going to be another good (not great) QB that we either let go of or sent elsewhere. See Stan Humphries, Trent Green, Jay Schroeder, Brad Johnson (Can he be included here?) etc.

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I think the legacy of Jason Campbell will be that he was just [B]one[/B] skillset short of being a [B]great[/B] NFL quarterback and that set of skills is the "quick twitch" ability to read and react to NFL defenses on an elite level.

I believe his tenure in Oakland and wherever else he plays will cement that legacy.

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Solid starter, victim of too many coaching/system changes and overall franchise instability, classy guy. I wish him luck in Oakland, if anyone is prepared to deal with that crazy organization it's certainly him.

Just hoping we can put this subject to bed soon.

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Seeing Jason Campbell and Legacy in the same sentence made me chuckle.

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[quote=Mattyk;695114]Solid starter, victim of too many coaching/system changes and overall franchise instability, classy guy. I wish him luck in Oakland, if anyone is prepared to deal with that crazy organization it's certainly him.

[B]Just hoping we can put this subject to bed soon[/B].[/quote]

:laughing2 yeah right

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[quote=12thMan;695096]This morning on Mike Wise's radio show, the question was asked what legacy does Jason Campbell leave behind as a Redskin. Nearly every caller, including myself, stopped short of calling Campbell a straight up bust or a failure. Some were pro Campbell, some were con, some were split, but nearly all gave him the benefit of the doubt considering the circumstances he had to deal with. One caller made an interesting observation that the Redskins were sending a bad message by booting Campbell out of town, a guy he compared to the likes of Darrell Green and Art Monk as far as class acts go, and keeping a player like Albert Haynesworth, who has made it known how he feels about playing NT and the coaching staff. But I digress.

But as i continued to listen, I wondered what if Campbell actually succeeds in Oakland? I'm not talking Super Bowl success, but let's say the Raiders just sniff the playoffs. Let's say Campbell squeezes out an 8-8 record or graces the cover of Sports Illustrated once or twice.

[I]What type of pressure would that put on Donovan McNabb and the current administration? [/I]No one really talks about that. We've assumed the McNabb will be successful as a Redskin and Campbell will sort of plod along and just get by out there. We hear a lot about how McNabb is an upgrade, but what if JC ups his game too? Yeah, I know the what if game is futile at the end of the day, but that's what we do until the season actually kicks off.

I'll conclude by saying this, unless Campbell suffers an injury of some sort, heaven forbid, Jason Campbell will finally be Jason Campbell in Oakland. Whatever that is, he won't be over coached or dressed up in some system that doesn't suit him. I have a feeling that whatever Campbell is or isn't as an NFL quarterback, we'll find out once and for all what's under the hood. No more excuses, assumptions, or what ifs for the guy. I wish him success as a Raider and I have a feeling that a lot of Washington Redskin fans will be taking keen notice of the Oakland Raiders from week to week.[/quote]

Well if squeezes out an 8-8 record I'll say that about par for him. Sorry but I don't think McNabb will be looking over his shoulder to see if JC is pushing him.

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loser. didnt make enough plays to be called anything else but that. always had all the excuses already built in. but a true pro, who will almost always say/ do the right things

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[quote=BleedBurgundy;695106]I think he has the skills to be a solid starting qb in the league. He's not going to carry a team on his back by any means, but I can definitely see him getting a run first team into the playoffs.[/quote]

Skills? He couldn't hit the deep accurately, couldnt throw the short ball with touch. Wasn't a threat running and never learned to slide. I totally agree that he had a tough road to tread, but i just don't see any positives.

And to the OP, there is no legacy. Just another bust qb.

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It will be just a little better then Ramsey's. I mean it should be obvious, unlike Ramsey there were teams out there that wanted Campbell to come in and compete for a starting job. Carolina just lucked out with Clausen and Cleveland was hand tied with Jake.

However at the same time the cries from the fan base were similar. Just give him a little more time, get him a line, get him some recievers, get him a real coach. I think the fans got tired of having to put in so much effort only to get back so much especially being surrounded in a division where recently everyone had a great QB but us.

I think he's a solid QB and has the tools to be successful with a team if they follow the Jaguars blue print from a few years ago when David Garrard got selected to a pro bowl in 2007. However I don't think he's the type of QB where you can put a team on his back.

He has a very high floor thanks to the combination of physical tools and work ethic but he seems to have a very limited ceiling as well.

He will always be respected around here though, and I think the class he carried himself with and that toughness kept him here longer then he would have been otherwise.

He actually reminds me a lot of Jose Theodore with the Caps this year. Theres time where he shows you just how good he can be but then all of a sudden he lays an egg and you're reminded as to why you have that uncomfortable feeling residing in the back of your head.

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His Redskins legacy will be one of great disappointment. Is he a good guy? Sure. Was he a solid QB? Certainly. But, and I understand it's not entirely his fault, we paid a hefty price for a guy who was hardly a contributor to our two playoff teams in the six years he was here. And while I understand circumstances weren't always great around him, I think too many of us looked to that as an excuse for JC's underperforming.

I just can't wait for TO to sign with the Raiders so we can finally see Campbell to Owens :)

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Great guy, not a great QB. The bottom line is that if he was good and had success, there wouldn't have been so much turnover in the coordinator or coaching positions. The guy can't make the quick decisions that it takes to be successful in the NFL. Hell, he got hurt and Todd Collins led us to the playoffs. Also, Tom Cable says that Campbell isn't guaranteed the starting role, so we will have to see how that pans out.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/tom-cable-says-jason-campbell-shouldnt-assume-hell-start/]Tom Cable says Jason Campbell shouldn't assume he'll start | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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he will be forgotten in time

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For the next generation of serious fans like us I think he'll just be cited as the guy Joe Gibbs brought in as his franchise qb of the future. Otherwise, my guess is that he'll fall into such obscurity that there will not be enough to remember about him in 10-15 years.

I don't think he'll have a poor career from here out, just not a particularly noteworthy one. I see him getting to the playoffs w/the raiders in 2011-12, then looking for a new deal. I don't see him going on to have the success that Trent Green or Brad Johnson did after leaving us.

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Campbell was on some really terrible Redskin teams. Once Samuels and Thomas got injured, the offensive line that was left last year was one of the worst Redskins offensive lines in recent memory. Zorn's short pass west coast offense (LOL!) was not to his strength either.

It will be interesting to see how he does with the Raiders long vertical passing game. They have some speed and talent at the skill positions in Oakland. Just like in DC the O-line will tell the tale.
He still has a chance to be a very good QB. I will root for him

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well, one legacy argument could be that he is the guy coach gibbs made a huge mistake on, maybe his greatest player evaluation mistake.

JC is an average QB at best, down right boring to watch at worst.

wish the man well, he seems to be a great person.

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I really feel like he will go the way of other redskins qb's/draft busts. A la Ramsey, Schuler, Wuerrful, Matthews, etc. How many of us talk about them now?

He was a barely mediocre passer who was careful with the ball, and didn't make decisions that would hurt the team. He may have been too cautious, but he was a good game manager who could preserve a win if the overall team was playing lights out. He makes me think of a poor man's Kerry Collins.

If Jason doesn't win the starting job, and Tom Cable says now there is no reason to assume that the job is his, he will have a good career as a primary backup. He always has a positive attitude and prepares for the game well. He just came up a little too short in the talent department to be a serious NFL starter. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I'll never understand why Gibbs drafted him when it was clear that Gibbs wasn't going to be here long enough in his second go-around to develop a QB for the future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695137]His Redskins legacy will be one of great disappointment. Is he a good guy? Sure. Was he a solid QB? Certainly. But, and I understand it's not entirely his fault, [B]we paid a hefty price for a guy who was hardly a contributor to our two playoff teams in the six years he was here. [/B]And while I understand circumstances weren't always great around him, I think too many of us looked to that as an excuse for JC's underperforming.

I just can't wait for TO to sign with the Raiders so we can finally see Campbell to Owens :)[/quote]

So if Campbell was here six years, does that mean he dressed up like Patrick Ramsey for all of the 2004 season? If so, then what happened to the real Patrick Ramsey?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;695149]So if Campbell was here six years, does that mean he dressed up like Patrick Ramsey for all of the 2004 season? If so, then what happened to the real Patrick Ramsey?[/quote]

I'm guilty of saying six years sometimes too, only because he was with us for part of the 2010 campaign, at least in the off-season.

2005: Didn't start. Brunell goes to playoffs
2006: Took over for Brunell after 9 games
2007: Got Hurt. Collins goes to playoffs
2008: Bah
2009: Bah.
2010: Team Drafts McNabb, Campbell relegated to backup.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;695148]

I'll never understand why Gibbs drafted him when it was clear that Gibbs wasn't going to be here long enough in his second go-around to develop a QB for the future.[/quote]

Gibbs and Campbell were together for 3 years. If Gibbs had stayed for the duration of his 5 year contract, it would have been 4. Thats plenty of time to develop a quality 1st round quarterback before riding off into the sunset. The problem was, Campbell was not a quality quarterback. I honestly think that If Gibbs didn't bring in Al Saunders, there's a good chance the redskins would have been more successful. Heck, if Gibbs had had the foresight to bring in a "real" GM to make personnel decisions, the skins would probably be the best team in the NFC East right now.

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[quote=Mattyk;695114]Solid starter, victim of too many coaching/system changes and overall franchise instability, classy guy. I wish him luck in Oakland, if anyone is prepared to deal with that crazy organization it's certainly him.

Just hoping we can put this subject to bed soon.[/quote]

We still get people whining about Patrick Ramsey's "unfair shot" occasionally.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;695148]I really feel like he will go the way of other redskins qb's/draft busts. A la Ramsey, Schuler, [B]Wuerrful, Matthews[/B], etc. How many of us talk about them now?

He was a barely mediocre passer who was careful with the ball, and didn't make decisions that would hurt the team. He may have been too cautious, but he was a good game manager who could preserve a win if the overall team was playing lights out. He makes me think of a poor man's Kerry Collins.

If Jason doesn't win the starting job, and Tom Cable says now there is no reason to assume that the job is his, he will have a good career as a primary backup. He always has a positive attitude and prepares for the game well. He just came up a little too short in the talent department to be a serious NFL starter. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

I'll never understand why Gibbs drafted him when it was clear that Gibbs wasn't going to be here long enough in his second go-around to develop a QB for the future.[/quote]

I don't think we drafted them we just picked them up because they played for the old ball coach.

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I definitely don't think he belongs in the same discussion as guys like Wuerffel, Matthews, Ramsey, etc. JC at least has shown to be a solid starter.

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[quote=Mattyk;695159]I definitely don't think he belongs in the same discussion as guys like Wuerffel, Matthews, Ramsey, etc. JC at least has shown to be a solid starter.[/quote]

He'll be better for the Raiders. Strange to think about, but they have good, young running game and just added two starting tackles to protect him. His sacks could be cut in half easily this season. The Raiders have a good defense too, in that weak division with only San Diego to worry about (Denver is going the way of the Zornskins, KC is beginning to build a nice team but still far away), JC could be in the hunt to be a Wild Card Playoff QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;695137]His Redskins legacy will be one of great disappointment. Is he a good guy? Sure. Was he a solid QB? Certainly. But, and I understand it's not entirely his fault, we paid a hefty price for a guy who was hardly a contributor to our two playoff teams in the six years he was here. And while I understand circumstances weren't always great around him, I think too many of us looked to that as an excuse for JC's underperforming.

I just can't wait for TO to sign with the Raiders so we can finally see Campbell to Owens :)[/quote]

I think this pretty much sums up my thoughts as well. He was nowhere as good as his supporters thought he could be and nowhere as bad as his detractors thought he was. I hope he does well in Oakland because he's a class act and I think he can have moderate success. He will likely end up playing another 8 or so years bouncing around the league as a spot starter or platoon backup.

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[quote=firstdown;695157]I don't think we drafted them we just picked them up because they played for the old ball coach.[/quote]

Correct, we signed those two bums off the street when old ball coach was running (ruining) the team.

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Guarantee it'll be another 1-2 years Ramsey-style before we stop talking about what could have been, ESPECIALLY if he does well in Oakland. :-P

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i know how skins fans are lol. If he has a 9 and 7 season there, people will beg for us to trade for him, especially if we go 7 and 9 or worse with DonoShan..

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Who is this Jason Campbell you refer to???

But in all serious, JC has been a great sport through everything he has been put through. But what has he done on the field? I was never onboad with drafting him as we saw what he really is, a middle of the pack qb. Nothing exciting about him. He cant put a team on his back and get a win. I wish him the best in Oakland, he'll need it.

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Doesn't the word legacy involve being remembered for something in future generations? Unless I am defining the word wrong then I don't think he has a legacy as a Redskin. 20 or 30 years from now not many Redskins fans will even remember Jason Campbell. His name will be as difficult to recall as Cary Conklin is now. What he will be is a small footnote on Joe Gibbs Redskins Legacy.

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[quote=celts32;695184]Doesn't the word legacy involve being remembered for something in future generations? Unless I am defining the word wrong then I don't think he has a legacy as a Redskin. 20 or 30 years from now not many Redskins fans will even remember Jason Campbell. His name will be as difficult to recall as Cary Conklin is now. What he will be is a small footnote on Joe Gibbs Redskins Legacy.[/quote]

You're right. Plus, it's WAY too early to start talking about looking back and remembering Campbell as a player overall. He's just getting his career started I believe. He'll do OK outside of the Redskins organization. He may not be our next Trent Green that we regret losing...but maybe a Stan Humphries-like QB that we look at and say "why wasn't he this good with us?" and wonder what could have been.

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I think he leaves no legacy...the only legacy he could leav is one of utter failure on the FO's part. Either by crapping out in Oakland and proving he is a bust or getting the job done and proving Shanny wrong. Somehow he'll be right in the middle I suspect.

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[quote=over the mountain;695145]well, one legacy argument could be that he is the guy coach gibbs made a huge mistake on, [B]maybe his greatest player evaluation mistake. [/B]

JC is an average QB at best, down right boring to watch at worst.

wish the man well, he seems to be a great person.[/quote]

That would have to be Loyd & Arch in the debacle of 2006.

I'll always stand by Gibbs' decision to get JC. We can disagree about what we gave up, but I never thought it was too much when you're trying to land the qb of the future.

Of all the 'what-ifs' of JC's career, I think one of the biggest was Gibbs leaving early. What if he'd stayed one more year? The Gibbs/Saunders O was more suited to JC. Gibbs picked a qb that HE thought he could win with, but that's much different than a qb that Jim Zorn can win with.

Gibbs won w/Mark Rypien, probably the worst qb to ever win a super bowl. Gibbs felt he could win w/JC, maybe he could've in due time.

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[quote=over the mountain;695145]
JC is an average QB at best, down right boring to watch at worst.
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For me, this about sums it up.

He made we want to leave my seat and go get a $5 soda more than anyone else in the history of Fedex Field.

The only thing I could be sure to miss if JC was behind center was a punt.

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JC's only legacy will be the reminder of 4 systems in 5 years, or the failure of our FO to stabilize our team. He will be the billboard for the 2000-2009 era, hopefully the 2010-2019 will start in a better way.

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[quote=freddyg12;695206]That would have to be Loyd & Arch in the debacle of 2006.

I'll always stand by Gibbs' decision to get JC. We can disagree about what we gave up, but I never thought it was too much when you're trying to land the qb of the future.

Of all the 'what-ifs' of JC's career, I think one of the biggest was Gibbs leaving early. What if he'd stayed one more year? The Gibbs/Saunders O was more suited to JC. Gibbs picked a qb that HE thought he could win with, but that's much different than a qb that Jim Zorn can win with.

Gibbs won w/Mark Rypien, probably the worst qb to ever win a super bowl. Gibbs felt he could win w/JC, maybe he could've in due time.[/quote]

Not to quibble or get the thread off track, but Big Ben had the worst Super Bowl game ever vs Seattle by a starting QB.

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[quote=FRPLG;695202]I think he leaves no legacy...the only legacy he could leav is one of utter failure on the FO's part. Either by crapping out in Oakland and proving he is a bust or getting the job done and proving Shanny wrong. [B]Somehow he'll be right in the middle I suspect.[/B][/quote]Probably the safest of all bets. And good post.

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I don't think he leaves any real legacy here. Todd Collins has more of a legacy than JC does. He's an average NFL QB who was failed by management. I think all true Redskin fans wish him well but it's so time to move on.

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[quote=skinsfan69;695236]I don't think he leaves any real legacy here. Todd Collins has more of a legacy than JC does. He's an average NFL QB who was failed by management. I think all true Redskin fans wish him well but it's so time to move on.[/quote]

You know that's true. Todd Collins led the late season charge to the playoffs in the aftermath of Sean Taylor's murder. That is a memory that will stand the test of time.