Anybody know McNABB'S record vs Dallas?
 

I know he's like 36-23 vs the NFC East but lets face it alot of that was against us. I can't find his record vs Dallas.. I've looked everywhere and can't find a site that shows it.

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11-8, 26 TDs, 13 INTs

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Or maybe 11-9, or 12-8. Not positive. It's something like that

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I knew he was over .500 but for some odd reason I can't find it anywhere lol Thanks though SS

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Hint for the future, try looking up his player profile on NFL.com or espn.com, check the game logs and add up the wins and losses.

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Yea good call Matty . I did that with REID, he really ownes Dallas lol

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per WP, including playoffs it says

11-7 vs. Giants
12-7 vs. Redskins
11-9 vs. Cowboys

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/deangelo_hall_says_skins_will.html]D.C. Sports Bog - DeAngelo Hall says Skins will dominate NFC East[/url]

haven't personally verified

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PFR Has McNabb's record vs. Cowboys at 14-9

1999 - 1-1
2000 - 2-0
2001 - 2-0
2002 - 2-0
2003 - 1-1
2004 - 2-0
2005 - 0-2
2006 - 2-0
2007 - 1-1
2008 - 1-1
2009 - 0-3 Including playoff loss.

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I'm only seeing him in 20 games, some of those he may not have played

11-9 including playoffs

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00/gamelog/]Donovan McNabb Career Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;695308]I know he's like 36-23 vs the NFC East but lets face it alot of that was against us. I can't find his record vs Dallas.. I've looked everywhere and can't find a site that shows it.[/quote]

Is there a point to this? Damn, I don't give shit what his record was when he was Eagle, I give a shit what it is as a Redskin.....!!!!!!

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[quote=tryfuhl;695357]I'm only seeing him in 20 games, some of those he may not have played

11-9 including playoffs

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00/gamelog/]Donovan McNabb Career Game Log | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]

You're correct....I re-checked PFR and three of those games he didn't play in. Think Donovan would take the credit anyway?

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haha maybe

just waiting for someone to say that Philly was perfect vs Dallas without McNabb so he sucks

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McNabb's record vs. the NFC East is 10-14 since 2005 (11-15 including playoffs).

It's interesting that one of the reasons for this underperformance is that he has a fairly disappointing 4-4 record against the Redskins in that timeframe. Eli is 8-2 against us in the same timeframe, while Romo is a similarly disappointing 4-3.

McNabb is 3-6 vs. Dallas and 3-4 vs. NYG, since 2005. He's never lost to the Eagles though, so at least we have that going for us.

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are you attributing that to his play or saying that they're his losses just as the leader of the team?

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[quote=tryfuhl;695375]are you attributing that to his play or saying that they're his losses just as the leader of the team?[/quote]No attribution or critique of actual on-field performance from me. Just a statement of W/L facts.

Campbell had a dreadful .235 win percentage against NFC East opponents for his career. McNabb, against similar competition, posted a .417 win percentage (drops to .375 against common opponents). My point was mostly to show that, even though Philadelphia has probably been the strongest team inside the division over the last five years (although Dallas and NYG are both right there), they haven't performed as well as a team against the division as they have against the rest of the league.

Basically, the McNabb Eagles had the same problems the Campbell Redskins did, but at least had the advantage of being the better all around team.

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Yeah, just didn't know if you had already broken down his performances, line performances, etc for the games yet or what.

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does mcnabb play dallas all my himself??? i can't stand the W/L records for QB's. such a misleading stat.

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This is probably one of the best sport stats site I have ever come across, they do ever major sport.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;695419]does mcnabb play dallas all my himself??? i can't stand the W/L records for QB's. such a misleading stat.[/quote]

Agreed. "McNabb's W-L record" is actually Andy Reid's and the front office that decided not to give him WRs for most of his career.

Campbell didn't go 4-12, Jim Zorn and Vinny Cerrato did.

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[quote=mredskins;695427]This is probably one of the best sport stats site I have ever come across, they do ever major sport.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/"]Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History[/URL][/quote]
Yeah, that's what Longtimefan and I were referring to, him with the acronym PFR and myself with the link to the game logs.

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McNabb's troubles within the division figured in the Eagles' decision to trade him. In the last five seasons with Philadelphia, McNabb went 11-15 for regular-season and playoff starts against division opponents. McNabb is 35-23 lifetime in division starts, both regular season and playoffs. His best record is against his new team.

The team-by-team breakdown for McNabb:

Dallas Cowboys: 11-9
New York Giants: 11-7
Washington Redskins: 13-7

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[quote=sandtrapjack;695570]McNabb's troubles within the division figured in the Eagles' decision to trade him. In the last five seasons with Philadelphia, McNabb went 11-15 for regular-season and playoff starts against division opponents. McNabb is 35-23 lifetime in division starts, both regular season and playoffs. His best record is against his new team.

The team-by-team breakdown for McNabb:

Dallas Cowboys: 11-9
New York Giants: 11-7
Washington Redskins: 13-7[/quote]
do you even read threads before you post in them?

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[quote=tryfuhl;695517]Yeah, that's what Longtimefan and I were referring to, him with the acronym PFR and myself with the link to the game logs.[/quote]


got you, I read through quick. Well any who it is a great site.

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i just want us to hurry up and get mcnabb signed to an extension.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;695570]McNabb's troubles within the division figured in the Eagles' decision to trade him. In the last five seasons with Philadelphia, McNabb went 11-15 for regular-season and playoff starts against division opponents. McNabb is 35-23 lifetime in division starts, both regular season and playoffs. His best record is against his new team.

The team-by-team breakdown for McNabb:

Dallas Cowboys: 11-9
New York Giants: 11-7
Washington Redskins: 13-7[/quote]

60% wins in the league's most competitive division is not bad.

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[quote=Buster;695676]60% wins in the league's most competitive division is not bad.[/quote]
No arguement there.

But the most recent 5 years record within the division (42%) tells the tale of why Philly not only traded him, but traded him within the division. Obviously Andy Reid is not concerned about facing McNabb twice a year.

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[quote=skinsfan69;695419]does mcnabb play dallas all my himself??? i can't stand the W/L records for QB's. such a misleading stat.[/quote]Agreed.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;695726]No arguement there.

But the most recent 5 years record within the division (42%) tells the tale of why Philly not only traded him, but traded him within the division. Obviously [B]Andy Reid is not concerned about facing McNabb twice a year[/B].[/quote]

That's really not the case at all. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe that.

Reid and McNabb are tight, he was reluctant to trade him to Oakland or Buffalo as McNabb was adamant he didn't want to go to those teams. So once the Skins came into the picture Reid agreed to do him that favor and trade him to the better situation, even if it meant going to a division rival.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5055506"]Sal Paolantonio: How The McNabb Deal Went Down - ESPN Video - ESPN[/URL]

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Yep.. some have reported that we sweetened the deal with the additional pick as well. Not to mention teams wouldn't want to trade for McNabb if he wouldn't agree to an extension.

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[quote=Mattyk;695803]That's really not the case at all. You'd have to be pretty naive to believe that.

Reid and McNabb are tight, he was reluctant to trade him to Oakland or Buffalo as McNabb was adamant he didn't want to go to those teams. So once the Skins came into the picture Reid agreed to do him that favor and trade him to the better situation, even if it meant going to a division rival.

[URL="http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5055506"]Sal Paolantonio: How The McNabb Deal Went Down - ESPN Video - ESPN[/URL][/quote]
The people who are naive regarding the trade are the ones that truly do not realize that McNabb was in the drivers seat the whole time.

Oh yeah, I've heard all the stories about "Reid wanting to do right by McNabb". But the truth to the matter is McNabb adamantly stated he would not be traded to Buffalo or Oakland. The reason he was in the drivers seat on this one was he only had one year left on his current contract in Philly. And the acquiring team would need to renegotiate that in to an extension. All McNabb had to do if traded to Buffalo or Oakland, is not agree to terms, hence the trade would be nullified and he is back in Philly.

So McNabb did have a say in where he went.

And if he really was concerned about McNabb going to a division rival, he would have just not traded him at all.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;696047]The people who are naive regarding the trade are the ones that truly do not realize that McNabb was in the drivers seat the whole time.

Oh yeah, I've heard all the stories about "Reid wanting to do right by McNabb". [B]But the truth to the matter is McNabb adamantly stated he would not be traded to Buffalo or Oakland.[/B] The reason he was in the drivers seat on this one was he only had one year left on his current contract in Philly. And the acquiring team would need to renegotiate that in to an extension. All McNabb had to do if traded to Buffalo or Oakland, is not agree to terms, hence the trade would be nullified and he is back in Philly.

So McNabb did have a say in where he went.

And if he really was concerned about McNabb going to a division rival, he would have just not traded him at all.[/quote]

Right, pretty much what I said above.

Reid had to trade him, he hand was forced by the front office. With one year left on his deal they weren't going to give him a new contract with Kolb behind him.

To say that Reid isn't concerned with playing against McNabb, especially paired with Shanahan, is just a little silly.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;695726]No arguement there.

But the most recent 5 years record within the division (42%) tells the tale of why Philly not only traded him, but traded him within the division. Obviously Andy Reid is not concerned about facing McNabb twice a year.[/quote]

Actually the last 2 years 2008-2009 together are his most productive years. So (42%) really tells no tale at all. If it tells anything it is that he's getting better.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/careerstats?id=MCN017517]Donovan McNabb: Career Stats[/url]

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[quote=sandtrapjack;695726]No arguement there.

But the most recent 5 years record within the division (42%) tells the tale of why Philly not only traded him, but traded him within the division. Obviously Andy Reid is not concerned about facing McNabb twice a year.[/quote]

You're (as usual) definitely off on your last point. Reid stated he would have preferred to trade Kolb and keep McNabb.

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besides, Andy Reid is overrated. terrible clock management and playcalling. he's just not a good in-game coach. i'd say he's more to blame for Philly never getting over the hump than McNabb. and now he's hitching his wagon (albeit with load-levellers) to a Kolb, who had all of 2 good games, one in a shootout with the Saints while the eagles were trailing (he still threw 2 picks and they still lost) and one against the chiefs. i realize they've seen him in camp/preseason/practice for a few years and think he's the real deal, but i'm not sold on him. might be Matt Cassell 2.0.

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why on earth would a cowboys fan spend so much time on a redskins message board?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;696047]The people who are naive regarding the trade are the ones that truly do not realize that McNabb was in the drivers seat the whole time.

Oh yeah, I've heard all the stories about "Reid wanting to do right by McNabb". But the truth to the matter is McNabb adamantly stated he would not be traded to Buffalo or Oakland. The reason he was in the drivers seat on this one was he only had one year left on his current contract in Philly. And the acquiring team would need to renegotiate that in to an extension. [B]All McNabb had to do if traded to Buffalo or Oakland, is not agree to terms, hence the trade would be nullified and he is back in Philly.[/B]

So McNabb did have a say in where he went.

And if he really was concerned about McNabb going to a division rival, he would have just not traded him at all.[/quote]

Actually the bolded line is completely wrong. McNabb had 1 year left on his contract, so if they traded him, he would have had to go or retire, either way the trade would not be automatically nullified. Just as if we don't extend McNabb, he is still obligated to play this year for us or retire, no nullification would occur.
BUT, as Matty said, Reid has a good relationship and did not want to ship him off to distant lands (although he might have if the compensation was right) so he shopped him here. I also think that the FO said they weren't carrying all 3, and they were keeping Kolb, so choose McNabb or Vick, and they weren't getting a second let alone a second and a 3/4 for Vick, so cya McNabb.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;696102]Actually the bolded line is completely wrong. McNabb had 1 year left on his contract, so if they traded him, he would have had to go or retire, either way the trade would not be automatically nullified. Just as if we don't extend McNabb, he is still obligated to play this year for us or retire, no nullification would occur.
BUT, as Matty said, Reid has a good relationship and did not want to ship him off to distant lands (although he might have if the compensation was right) so he shopped him here. I also think that the FO said they weren't carrying all 3, and they were keeping Kolb, so choose McNabb or Vick, and they weren't getting a second let alone a second and a 3/4 for Vick, so cya McNabb.[/quote]
While this is true, what team wants to give up a 2nd+ for a 1 year rental? So McNabb did kind of have it in his hands, unless a team was stupid or the Eagles got desperate to move him and accepted less.

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[quote=tryfuhl;696153]While this is true, what team wants to give up a 2nd+ for a 1 year rental? So McNabb did kind of have it in his hands, unless a team was stupid or the Eagles got desperate to move him and accepted less.[/quote]

True, and I didn't mean to imply that making the trade would be easy or possible. I only was saying that IF the Eagles made a trade to the Raiders then Donovan's only choices would be play for Oakland or retire. He could not say no, have the trade nullified, and go back and play for the Eagles again.

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This is an important thread how did I miss this.

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[quote=firstdown;696178]This is an important thread how did I miss this.[/quote]

You were probably blinded by the unnecessary and repetitive Colt Brennan threads.